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Okay Pierre,
I'll TRY to clear the blur for you.
In Revelation, was John describing things to us that he was actually SEEING?
Revelation 1
11 “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches………12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands………
mike
Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Rev 1:2 who testifies to everything he saw
yes that is what he saw ,but the angel at to explain it of what it means
To All………God created all spirits and therefore He knows what they all will do, even Satan , God always knew what he would do, scripture tells us there is nothing hidden from God , so that alone should tell us that He is all Knowing. He knows us and what we will do from the moment he created our Spirit within us, they will respond exactly as he created them to. For what knows a man save the Spirit that is within him That holds true with all of God's spiritually created creation rather in a body of out of a body, he still knows what the spirit will do because he created it.. He uses Satan as his tool to bring about his desires on the world, He, is simply a tool in the hand of God.
God knew all alone what Jesus would do, John the Baptist would do, Jeremiah would do , King Cyrus would do, what Adam and Eve would do, and on and on it goes, He knew it from the Start to the finish, just as scripture says. There is nothing hidden fro Him, That is why he is ALL KNOWING> Even Revelations was Given by him to Jesus to give it to his severant John to the Seven Churches. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………..gene
Hi Gene:
You say:
Quote God created all spirits No, not true, He is not responsible for the evil that has been formed in each of as we have lived our lives in this world. Each of is accountable to Him for the lives that we have lived, and there will be a day of judgment. HE does know every thought and every word we have spoken, and every deed, whether good or evil, that we have done.
God is responsible for creating all rational beings with a “free will”, the freedom to make his own choices.
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Jos 24:15And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
God created man, with everyone his own spirit.(own desires).
Most love money,power and the good things in life.
The spirit of the flesh desires are evil continously.
Man have to make a choice.
Serve God or serve the flesh.
The tempter always comes with new temptations.
Leading man to follow His own desires;therefore away from God. To keep man busy with material things.
Treasures in heaven is of no value to them.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2014,17:27) mike Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Rev 1:2 who testifies to everything he saw
yes that is what he saw ,but the angel at to explain it of what it means
Okay, so mystery solved.If John was SEEING these future events before they actually happened, then John was “foreseeing” those events.
And there is no way God could have enabled JOHN to foresee those events if God Himself is unable to foresee them.
That right there should prove to you that God can foresee future events.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2014,16:12) Marty. God created man, with everyone his own spirit.(own desires).
Most love money,power and the good things in life.
The spirit of the flesh desires are evil continously.
Man have to make a choice.
Serve God or serve the flesh.
The tempter always comes with new temptations.
Leading man to follow His own desires;therefore away from God. To keep man busy with material things.
Treasures in heaven is of no value to them.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:I agree with everything that you have stated here, except that God created each man with “his own spirit”, he put His Spirit within Adam, and created Adam and Eve perfect, they had neither done any good or evil, they were in innocence.
It is when the tempter came with his lying spirit, that Eve, saw that the tree was:
Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Tools specific to Gen 3:3
Gen 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
And that same tempter has deceived all of us, and will deceive into thing that the things of this world are more valuable than what God has for us if we will only believe Him rather than the devil. The things of this world are temporal, and so, we can choose to suffer with the Lord for a season, and deny ourselves the pleasures of this world that are contrary to our service to God or we can choose the things of this world. Not worth having, for me. I'll wait on the Lord.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2014,20:43) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 05 2014,17:27) mike Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, Rev 1:2 who testifies to everything he saw
yes that is what he saw ,but the angel at to explain it of what it means
Okay, so mystery solved.If John was SEEING these future events before they actually happened, then John was “foreseeing” those events.
And there is no way God could have enabled JOHN to foresee those events if God Himself is unable to foresee them.
That right there should prove to you that God can foresee future events.
Mikeyes all good with one exception TO GIVE ONE FORESIGHT ONE AS TO KNOW ,
IF ONE DOES NOT KNOW THEN HE CAN NOT GIVE FORESIGHT TO THE OTHER RIGHT
I BELIEVE SO ,
Marty.
I agree with that.
The devil also tried to tempt Jesus with the material
that he could offer. If we are lovers of God;we dont care much about the mateial things this world can offer.We all tend to desire all the nice things in life,
but we also are aware not to be slaves to those things.
If God wants us to have it;He will give it to us.
To have lots of money feels really good,but that can lead us away from the spiritual,and that is why God wont let us have it.
Because He loves us;He wants us to have the things that last for ever. To suffer in this world means something.
It means that the world hates the spirit in us,and that is a good sign.wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 09 2014,02:43) Okay, so mystery solved. If John was SEEING these future events before they actually happened, then John was “foreseeing” those events.
And there is no way God could have enabled JOHN to foresee those events if God Himself is unable to foresee them.
That right there should prove to you that God can foresee future events.
Not denying what you are saying here Mike, but there is another explanation too. That is that God has willed for this to happen. And men with their free will are still free to choose where in this plan they will abide. Regardless of who chooses what, this plan will play out as he has said.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2014,02:53) To All………God created all spirits and therefore He knows what they all will do, even Satan , God always knew what he would do, scripture tells us there is nothing hidden from God , so that alone should tell us that He is all Knowing. He knows us and what we will do from the moment he created our Spirit within us, they will respond exactly as he created them to. For what knows a man save the Spirit that is within him That holds true with all of God's spiritually created creation rather in a body of out of a body, he still knows what the spirit will do because he created it.. He uses Satan as his tool to bring about his desires on the world, He, is simply a tool in the hand of God. God knew all alone what Jesus would do, John the Baptist would do, Jeremiah would do , King Cyrus would do, what Adam and Eve would do, and on and on it goes, He knew it from the Start to the finish, just as scripture says. There is nothing hidden fro Him, That is why he is ALL KNOWING> Even Revelations was Given by him to Jesus to give it to his severant John to the Seven Churches. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………..gene
Because you do not believe that man has the ability to choose his destiny and other things, you therefore subscribe to the idea that the book of life is already written from beginning to end.Thus if you were to murder someone in the future and this sent you to Hell, while you are in there, you would be happy that this was your lot and that you had no control over this. You would fully understand that God wrote you in that book as a villain and would be accepting of that right? And you wouldn't complain because you have been arguing for this very thing for years. Further, you would agree with God doing that.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,04:34) Marty. I agree with that.
The devil also tried to tempt Jesus with the material
that he could offer. If we are lovers of God;we dont care much about the mateial things this world can offer.We all tend to desire all the nice things in life,
but we also are aware not to be slaves to those things.
If God wants us to have it;He will give it to us.
To have lots of money feels really good,but that can lead us away from the spiritual,and that is why God wont let us have it.
Because He loves us;He wants us to have the things that last for ever. To suffer in this world means something.
It means that the world hates the spirit in us,and that is a good sign.wakeup.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:It is good that we agree.
God wants His children to have nice things, but what He does not want us to do is to make those things our God. It is He that gives us the ability to gain wealth. Jesus said: “that life does not consist in the abundance of things that a man possess”.
He blesses us not only that our needs may be meet but also, that we might be a blessing to others that may be less fortunate than we.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 09 2014,11:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,04:34) Marty. I agree with that.
The devil also tried to tempt Jesus with the material
that he could offer. If we are lovers of God;we dont care much about the mateial things this world can offer.We all tend to desire all the nice things in life,
but we also are aware not to be slaves to those things.
If God wants us to have it;He will give it to us.
To have lots of money feels really good,but that can lead us away from the spiritual,and that is why God wont let us have it.
Because He loves us;He wants us to have the things that last for ever. To suffer in this world means something.
It means that the world hates the spirit in us,and that is a good sign.wakeup.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:It is good that we agree.
God wants His children to have nice things, but what He does not want us to do is to make those things our God. It is He that gives us the ability to gain wealth. Jesus said: “that life does not consist in the abundance of things that a man possess”.
He blesses us not only that our needs may be meet but also, that we might be a blessing to others that may be less fortunate than we.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Amen and Amen to that.
wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 09 2014,10:46) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 08 2014,02:53) To All………God created all spirits and therefore He knows what they all will do, even Satan , God always knew what he would do, scripture tells us there is nothing hidden from God , so that alone should tell us that He is all Knowing. He knows us and what we will do from the moment he created our Spirit within us, they will respond exactly as he created them to. For what knows a man save the Spirit that is within him That holds true with all of God's spiritually created creation rather in a body of out of a body, he still knows what the spirit will do because he created it.. He uses Satan as his tool to bring about his desires on the world, He, is simply a tool in the hand of God. God knew all alone what Jesus would do, John the Baptist would do, Jeremiah would do , King Cyrus would do, what Adam and Eve would do, and on and on it goes, He knew it from the Start to the finish, just as scripture says. There is nothing hidden fro Him, That is why he is ALL KNOWING> Even Revelations was Given by him to Jesus to give it to his severant John to the Seven Churches. IMO
peace and love to you all…………………………..gene
Because you do not believe that man has the ability to choose his destiny and other things, you therefore subscribe to the idea that the book of life is already written from beginning to end.Thus if you were to murder someone in the future and this sent you to Hell, while you are in there, you would be happy that this was your lot and that you had no control over this. You would fully understand that God wrote you in that book as a villain and would be accepting of that right? And you wouldn't complain because you have been arguing for this very thing for years. Further, you would agree with God doing that.
T8……..And you on the other hand, believe you are Self righteous enough to Chose you own destiny , with or without God , You base your salvation of your Self, by your so-called “FREE” WILL choices, which is Pure garbage. If that were the case, no Prophesy concerning what different people would do in exact times, would be true because it would all depend on them and their so-called “freewill choice”, to do what was prophesied about them to do.There would be no King Cyrus, No John the Baptist, no Jesus Christ, no Apostles, No foreknown Judas, no Prophesy would work exactly as Prophesied, because it would all depend on the person themselves, coming to it on their own by there so-called “freewill' choice, and Jesus would be a lair when he said no man “CAN” come unto me except the Father draw him. because it would depend on a man own “freewill choices”
It is “OBVIOUS” to me you do not believe in the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD, Nor in his ability to CREATE HOLY RIGHTEOUS CHARACTER in his creation. So in the future if you are their, we can all give you T8 the credit of saving yourself, by you so-called “freewill” choices. Maybe we aught to all fall down and worship and praise you, after all you are a God or is it a god, at lest unto unto yourself that is.
If I am there in the future in the kingdom of God, I full well will know it was by the “ “GRACE” and Will of GOD, through the death of Jesus my brother, for the removal of my sins, and it had “NOTHING” to do with MY “OWN”, So-called “FREEWILL” Choices from SELF> but “ONLY”, BY THE “GRACE” OF GOD.
In the future “I” Will thank GOD , you will thank yourself> it appears to me at least by your words , that you will make it by you own “freewill Choices, good luck, your going to need it.
T8…….I believe you have not even begin to see the truth yet,if you believe that way, and that is really a shame seeing you started this site.
peace and love………………………………gene
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,11:25) Mike TO GIVE ONE FORESIGHT ONE AS TO KNOW ,
And another way of wording EXACTLY what you have just said is:To enable one to FORESEE future events, one has to be able to FORESEE those future events himself.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 08 2014,17:39) Not denying what you are saying here Mike, but there is another explanation too………..
t8,The ONLY question I've been discussing with Pierre all this time is:
Was God Himself able to FORESEE those future events that He showed to John in Revelation?
What is your answer?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 09 2014,10:07) T8……..And you on the other hand, believe you are Self righteous enough to Chose you own destiny , with or without God , You base your salvation of your Self…………
Gene,Are you saying that God made the specific choice to have a certain person rape a little boy?
Are you saying the man himself did not CHOOSE to do this vile act, but that God chose that destiny for him?
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 09 2014,11:00) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 09 2014,04:34) Marty. I agree with that.
The devil also tried to tempt Jesus with the material
that he could offer. If we are lovers of God;we dont care much about the mateial things this world can offer.We all tend to desire all the nice things in life,
but we also are aware not to be slaves to those things.
If God wants us to have it;He will give it to us.
To have lots of money feels really good,but that can lead us away from the spiritual,and that is why God wont let us have it.
Because He loves us;He wants us to have the things that last for ever. To suffer in this world means something.
It means that the world hates the spirit in us,and that is a good sign.wakeup.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:It is good that we agree.
God wants His children to have nice things, but what He does not want us to do is to make those things our God. It is He that gives us the ability to gain wealth. Jesus said: “that life does not consist in the abundance of things that a man possess”.
He blesses us not only that our needs may be meet but also, that we might be a blessing to others that may be less fortunate than we.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty and Wakeup………I also agree with that brothers. We can be a blessing to others, both here, and to our families, and friends, and strangers also. The Spirit of God enables us to be that way brothers. IMOpeace and love to you both………………………….gene
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2014,03:16) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 09 2014,10:07) T8……..And you on the other hand, believe you are Self righteous enough to Chose you own destiny , with or without God , You base your salvation of your Self…………
Gene,Are you saying that God made the specific choice to have a certain person rape a little boy?
Are you saying the man himself did not CHOOSE to do this vile act, but that God chose that destiny for him?
Mike………Two completely different thing One is Salvation and the other is Not. We have all been murders at times. Or haven't you read, he who hates his brother is a murder. Just as we have all been adulators, Idolaters also, and lairs and thieves, and on and on it goes.This is the fallen state of us all man kind. You know that!. We have all together become unprofitable to God there is none righteous, none that understands not not even ONE. So believe me brother you have and i have been all those things in our past. So scripture says, who is he that condemns, seeing you have done the same things.
Mike trust me your so-called “freewill” choices had nothing to do with you being saved, it is from start to finish a work of God, He alone is our savior and none other is, and especially our so-called “freewills”
Or haven you read, you are “CREATED” unto GOOD WORKS yes MIke CREATED and that has nothing to do with our so-called Wills that are “FREE” from God that is. And if God is involved in our Will then they are not “FREE” Will are they. For “HE” (GOD) WORKS IN US “BOTH” to “WILL” and DO of “HIS” GOOD WORKS
These thing you “FREE” WILLERS” DENY> “YOU are SAVED BY “GRACE and that “NOT” of (or from) YOURSELVES”> When is that ever going to sink in Mike?
peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene
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