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Quote (942767 @ Jan. 02 2014,21:35) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2014,15:16) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 02 2014,07:14) Hi Mike: This is what the scriptures state:
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Gen 2:2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made
Does it state that he created these things through another vessel?
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyGE 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
GE 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “ Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earthunless you have been made in a different way you still came the same old fashion way that God establish in Eden,and created by him ,
SO NOW YOU CAN ANSWER MIKE'S QUESTION
Well, let me see, God created Adam from the dust of the ground, and then he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul, and then he caused Adam to be in a deep sleep, and took one of his ribs from his side and formed his wife, Eve.My mother and dad had relations, and by the sperm of my dad and the egg of my mother in her womb, I was conceived and formed in her womb, and born into this world, do you see the difference?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyyou forgot one step ;was Adan and Eve created without their personal sexes
if yes then you forgot this scripture ;
GE 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “ Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth
this is the beginning of all the offspring of them through the created process of God .
Ge 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said,
and so ;“With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.”
and so it as been sins then ;do you agree
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 02 2014,05:33) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,08:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,10:48) Marty Quote I am born of Adam's seed, but no He did not create me, He formed me in the womb from the sperm of Adam in the womb of my mother. did God created the process to procreate
So he is not part of creation then?What is he then?
Hi t8:I did not say I was not part of God's creation. Please read what I have stated before making you wise cracks.
Love in Christ,
Marty
But if you were not created, then you are not part of creation. Likewise if a person is not saved, then they do not have salvation.Can you see that?
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2014,03:35) Well, let me see, God created Adam from the dust of the ground, and then he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul, and then he caused Adam to be in a deep sleep, and took one of his ribs from his side and formed his wife, Eve. My mother and dad had relations, and by the sperm of my dad and the egg of my mother in her womb, I was conceived and formed in her womb, and born into this world, do you see the difference?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Yes there is a difference, but you are still created by God and through your parents. Those who think that God created all things alone and not through anyone are mistaken. Reality proves them wrong. We don't even need to prove that wrong with a scripture. Just look at yourself and how you got here. God obviously created you through your parents. End of story. Accept it. God creates all things himself and does it through…Thus as it is written, God created all things through Jesus still means that no one else created all things but God. And notice that I can prove that God created all things through Jesus Christ without even assuming or believing that Jesus is the Word that was with God.
Ephesians 3:9
and to make all men see what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ;1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Colossians 1:16-17
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.Notice the last scripture. It says that he is before all things. Yet when we say that he is before all things, we are opposed.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2014,22:34) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 02 2014,05:33) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 01 2014,08:55) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 30 2013,10:48) Marty Quote I am born of Adam's seed, but no He did not create me, He formed me in the womb from the sperm of Adam in the womb of my mother. did God created the process to procreate
So he is not part of creation then?What is he then?
Hi t8:I did not say I was not part of God's creation. Please read what I have stated before making you wise cracks.
Love in Christ,
Marty
But if you were not created, then you are not part of creation. Likewise if a person is not saved, then they do not have salvation.Can you see that?
T8:I said that I was not created as Adam was created, and that I was born of the sperm of man, and therefore, I am a part of the creation. I am one of God's creatures.
But t8, what was being discussed was whether or not Jesus was used by God in the initial creation because the scriptures state that God created all things through Jesus Christ.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2014,22:46) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2014,03:35) Well, let me see, God created Adam from the dust of the ground, and then he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul, and then he caused Adam to be in a deep sleep, and took one of his ribs from his side and formed his wife, Eve. My mother and dad had relations, and by the sperm of my dad and the egg of my mother in her womb, I was conceived and formed in her womb, and born into this world, do you see the difference?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Yes there is a difference, but you are still created by God and through your parents. Those who think that God created all things alone and not through anyone are mistaken. Reality proves them wrong. We don't even need to prove that wrong with a scripture. Just look at yourself and how you got here. God obviously created you through your parents. End of story. Accept it. God creates all things himself and does it through…Thus as it is written, God created all things through Jesus still means that no one else created all things but God. And notice that I can prove that God created all things through Jesus Christ without even assuming or believing that Jesus is the Word that was with God.
Ephesians 3:9
and to make all men see what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ;1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Colossians 1:16-17
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.Notice the last scripture. It says that he is before all things. Yet when we say that he is before all things, we are opposed.
Of course, I was created by God through my parents, and that is what I have stated. It does not take much intelligence to know that is the case,And we are being created by God through Jesus the new creation of God, the last Adam. He is before all things because it is through him that God's plan for the worlds and for humanity would be fulfilled. That every thing that God created was done through him means that “he is the ground reason for all that God created.”
Here are some scriptures for you to consider.
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Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who(Adam) is the figure of him that was to come.
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Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
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1Cr 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Cr 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Cr 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,19:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2014,11:43) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,11:41) I was born………. through my mom and dad, and so, yes, God alone created me, but that is not the issue.
That is EXACTLY the issue, Marty. So you agree that God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, created YOU, right?And you agree that, even though God did this act ALONE and BY HIMSELF, He did it THROUGH your mom and your dad, right?
And you agree that, even though God created you THROUGH your mom and dad, nobody in their right mind would ever claim that your mom and dad WERE God, right?
And you therefore agree that he who creates is ONE, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing was created is ANOTHER, right?
And you also agree that God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, is able to create someone THROUGH another vessel, right?
And you therefore have no choice but to agree that God, ALONE and BY HIMSELF, could have created all things THROUGH Jesus…….. WITHOUT Jesus actually being God, or even being our “co-creator”, right?
And so finally, you must agree that there is NO contradiction between the phrase, “God created ALONE and BY HIMSELF”, and the phrase, “God created all things THROUGH Jesus Christ”, right?
My work here is done.
Mike:What I said is that I was not created by God as Adam was created.
That has no bearing on anything. You also weren't created as a chipmunk. Or as the earth itself. But that has nothing to do with what we're discussing. So stick to the point, Marty.Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,19:04) The scripture states that God created all things by(dia in Greek) Jesus, and it means that Jesus is “the ground reason for all that he created.
So what does it mean in Colossians 1:16?16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
If the “through him” part means “the ground reason for it”, then what does the “for him” part mean?
See? Your diversion has gotten you stuck, because 1:16 proves that “through” must mean “through” – since “for” is already taken.
And speaking of “for him”……..
John 1
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.Notice the fact that, like Jesus, all things were also said to have been created through “the Word”. And especially notice the bolded part. Do you suppose the Word came to “that which was his own” because all things had been created FOR him?
And who exactly were all things created FOR, Marty?
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,19:04) You can do all of the reasoning that you want. He said He alone, by Himself created all things in the beginning.
He also said, “Let US make man in OUR image”, didn't He?Marty, none of what you are saying in this post actually addresses my former post. I've left that post in the quote box above, so you can have another look at it, and see if you can deny even one of the things I've claimed.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2014,19:14) Hi Mike: This is what the scriptures state:
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Gen 2:2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made
Does it state that he created these things through another vessel?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Not in that particular scripture, Marty. But other scriptures say it, right?Come on, man! That's like me posting ONLY Genesis 1:1, and then acting as if God didn't create mankind, just because that one scripture doesn't say He did.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 02 2014,09:27) Hi Mike: It does prohibit Him from saying that He was alone in the creation if in fact the Word is a person………
Why would it matter whether or not the thing God was WITH was a “person”?If God was WITH anything at all, then God was not LITERALLY “alone”.
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2014,05:46) Yes there is a difference, but you are still created by God and through your parents. Those who think that God created all things alone and not through anyone are mistaken. Reality proves them wrong. We don't even need to prove that wrong with a scripture. Just look at yourself and how you got here. God obviously created you through your parents. End of story. Accept it. God creates all things himself and does it through…
Exactly. End of story.Also, thanks for Ephesians 3:9. I've been quoting Heb 1:2, Col 1:16, and 1 Cor 8:6. I now have a fourth to add to the list of scriptures that say all things were created through Jesus.
Oops. I just did a search of Eph 3:9, and it seems that most modern English Bibles don't have the words “through Jesus Christ”.
I haven't researched into it yet, but I can only suspect that those words, while being in one or two more recent mss, are NOT to be found in the oldest and best mss – and are therefore omitted in the more recent versions.
I suppose that since they ARE in the KJV and NKJV, I could start believing those are the only two “perfect” Bibles – just so I can use that verse that I like.
Quote (942767 @ Jan. 04 2014,02:41) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 03 2014,22:46) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 03 2014,03:35) Well, let me see, God created Adam from the dust of the ground, and then he blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul, and then he caused Adam to be in a deep sleep, and took one of his ribs from his side and formed his wife, Eve. My mother and dad had relations, and by the sperm of my dad and the egg of my mother in her womb, I was conceived and formed in her womb, and born into this world, do you see the difference?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Yes there is a difference, but you are still created by God and through your parents. Those who think that God created all things alone and not through anyone are mistaken. Reality proves them wrong. We don't even need to prove that wrong with a scripture. Just look at yourself and how you got here. God obviously created you through your parents. End of story. Accept it. God creates all things himself and does it through…Thus as it is written, God created all things through Jesus still means that no one else created all things but God. And notice that I can prove that God created all things through Jesus Christ without even assuming or believing that Jesus is the Word that was with God.
Ephesians 3:9
and to make all men see what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ;1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.Colossians 1:16-17
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.Notice the last scripture. It says that he is before all things. Yet when we say that he is before all things, we are opposed.
Of course, I was created by God through my parents, and that is what I have stated. It does not take much intelligence to know that is the case,And we are being created by God through Jesus the new creation of God, the last Adam. He is before all things because it is through him that God's plan for the worlds and for humanity would be fulfilled. That every thing that God created was done through him means that “he is the ground reason for all that God created.”
Here are some scriptures for you to consider.
Quote
Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who(Adam) is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote
Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Quote
1Cr 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Cr 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Cr 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Cr 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Cr 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.1Cr 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made **a living soul**; ***the last Adam was made a quickening spirit***.
Adam was the first man in the flesh.
Jesus is the first in the spirit.
He was the FIRST RESURRECTED IN SPIRIT.
Therefore the last Adam. First the terrestrial body;
then the celestial body.We are now being prepared spiritually to follow Jesus.
Resurrected in spirit; in the celestial body.wakeup.
942767,Jan. wrote:And we are being created by God through Jesus the new creation of God, the last Adam. He is before all things because it is through him that God's plan for the worlds and for humanity would be fulfilled. That every thing that God created was done through him means that “he is the ground reason for all that God created.”
Here are some scriptures for you to consider.
Quote
Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who(Adam) is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote
Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Marty ……> They just do not get it brother. They have been “INDOCTRINATED” many years ago and can not except Jesus as a Pure “HUMAN” being. They can not see Jesus was what God had in mind for all of us before the very foundations of the world, and God brought him forth into existence at just the right time in human history. They have eyes to see but see not, brother. IMO
But remember it says “unless the LORD build the house the weary builders toil in vain”.
peace and love to you and yours Marty………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2014,03:26) 942767,Jan. wrote:And we are being created by God through Jesus the new creation of God, the last Adam. He is before all things because it is through him that God's plan for the worlds and for humanity would be fulfilled. That every thing that God created was done through him means that “he is the ground reason for all that God created.”
Here are some scriptures for you to consider.
Quote
Rom 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who(Adam) is the figure of him that was to come.
Quote
Eph 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8
Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Marty ……> They just do not get it brother. They have been “INDOCTRINATED” many years ago and can not except Jesus as a Pure “HUMAN” being. They can not see Jesus was what God had in mind for all of us before the very foundations of the world, and God brought him forth into existence at just the right time in human history. They have eyes to see but see not, brother. IMO
But remember it says “unless the LORD build the house the weary builders toil in vain”.
peace and love to you and yours Marty………………gene
Marty/Gene.I am repeating this question in this post,since you have failed
to answer it on (scripture/bible teachings.)Question:
Who is He coming in clouds in rev.19 by the name of
THE WORD OF GOD?wakeup.
Marty……….I have no problem with that , It is Jesus who is to have that “NAME” on Him. why because he will be “REPRESENTING” and “SPEAKING” GOD'S the FATHERS words to us. But that in no way “MAKES” HIM THOSE word himself Being a Representative is far from being the original thing Wakeup. What some do is try to make the Representative, the actual thing he represents, when in fact that is not the case. When people try to make Jesus himself the “Word” as in John 1:1, the very WORD of GOD HIMSELF and “SEPARATE” those word from GOD as (A) “SEPARATE” GOD BEING. That is a far cry from being a Representative of the Word of GOD.
Jesus never pictured himself as (A) GOD or that the words He Spoke were HIM or from him, in fact he said Just the opposite, The words I am telling you are NOT “MY” words but the Words of HIM the SENT ME.
Now if i quoted you in a matter and I say those are your words, does that make me the WORD because i quoted them to you ,Obviously NOT, same with Jesus. Scripture says [/b] there is ONE GOD and ONE “MEDIATOR” between GOD and man “THE MAN” Jesus Christ.
If you see Jesus as anything other then that you simply are forcing the text to say what it is not saying, We (true believers) honor Jesus to the Glory of the FATHER, he is our “MEDIATOR” with the Father, but is he (A) GOD “NO”, is he GOD'S WORDS “NO”, does he speak GOD'S WORDS to US “YES”, Just as the Prophets of old Did Also, but “NONE” of them are “GOD;S, including JESUS. They were All human Being including JESUS also who came into being by their berth on this earth.
Again Wakeup saying Jesus speaks GOD'S word to us is one thing, but saying He “IS” those Words makes Him (A) GOD and is quite another thing. God and his words are one and the same thing, just as your words and you are the same thing. Turn away from the delusions of those False teachers here.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2014,08:56) Marty……….I have no problem with that , It is Jesus who is to have that “NAME” on Him. why because he will be “REPRESENTING” and “SPEAKING” GOD'S the FATHERS words to us.
So why then can't Jesus be the one who “has that name on him” in John 1:1 and 1:14 – for that SAME reason?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 06 2014,01:56) Marty……….I have no problem with that , It is Jesus who is to have that “NAME” on Him. why because he will be “REPRESENTING” and “SPEAKING” GOD'S the FATHERS words to us. But that in no way “MAKES” HIM THOSE word himself Being a Representative is far from being the original thing Wakeup. What some do is try to make the Representative, the actual thing he represents, when in fact that is not the case. When people try to make Jesus himself the “Word” as in John 1:1, the very WORD of GOD HIMSELF and “SEPARATE” those word from GOD as (A) “SEPARATE” GOD BEING. That is a far cry from being a Representative of the Word of GOD. Jesus never pictured himself as (A) GOD or that the words He Spoke were HIM or from him, in fact he said Just the opposite, The words I am telling you are NOT “MY” words but the Words of HIM the SENT ME.
Now if i quoted you in a matter and I say those are your words, does that make me the WORD because i quoted them to you ,Obviously NOT, same with Jesus. Scripture says [/b] there is ONE GOD and ONE “MEDIATOR” between GOD and man “THE MAN” Jesus Christ.
If you see Jesus as anything other then that you simply are forcing the text to say what it is not saying, We (true believers) honor Jesus to the Glory of the FATHER, he is our “MEDIATOR” with the Father, but is he (A) GOD “NO”, is he GOD'S WORDS “NO”, does he speak GOD'S WORDS to US “YES”, Just as the Prophets of old Did Also, but “NONE” of them are “GOD;S, including JESUS. They were All human Being including JESUS also who came into being by their berth on this earth.
Again Wakeup saying Jesus speaks GOD'S word to us is one thing, but saying He “IS” those Words makes Him (A) GOD and is quite another thing. God and his words are one and the same thing, just as your words and you are the same thing. Turn away from the delusions of those False teachers here.
peace and love to you and yours…………………………………….gene
Gene B.I know what you believe.
You believe that basically God created THE MAN JESUS
TO SPEAK FOR HIM.To do the work on earth.
1.This means: that *this man* existed *from day of his
birth*, He never existed before. CORRECT?2.This man in his spirit body is now in heaven sitting next to
God.
This man in spirit form, is coming again by a new name.
which is THE WORD OF GOD. CORRECT?That would *contradict* every scripture about him.
1.He is from everlsating.He is also called everlasting Father.
The branch. Branch of God.God is the tree.2.He had glory with God *before* the world was.
3.He is the only one that has been in heaven.
4.*He is* THAT BREAD FROM HEAVEN. He did not *pass on*
that bread from God in heaven. But *He is* that bread.5.God said: beside me there is no saviour;I did it all by my
self. There is *NONE* beside God.6.God also spoke in gen.1. Let us.
He also said that he did it all by Himelf,so that *US*is,
GOD AND HIS OWN IMAGE,WHICH IS HIS OWN WORD.
Which is inside God. He can come in, and out of God at will.
God is A spirit.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 06 2014,05:46) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 05 2014,08:56) Marty……….I have no problem with that , It is Jesus who is to have that “NAME” on Him. why because he will be “REPRESENTING” and “SPEAKING” GOD'S the FATHERS words to us.
So why then can't Jesus be the one who “has that name on him” in John 1:1 and 1:14 – for that SAME reason?
Hi Mike:He can't because the scriptures do not state that. It states Word or Logos in John 1, and the Logos was God. Jesus is not God, but the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
He has that name now because he obeyed the Word of God without sin even unto death on the cross. And God has exalted him so that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
And he has that name now also because no man can come to the Father except through him, and he is the judge of the living and the dead.
Love in Christ,
MartyWakeup………This “MAN” JESUS, is “CALLED” the word of God , but that in no way is saying “IS” the word of GOD now is it?, Being called something is only in reference to something that is being done, do you See what i am saying, being called something is far from actually being it right? Here is a example of what you and others are doing, > a plain is call a BIRD , so it really is a BIRD, or a Ship is called a She , so it really is WOMEN, the man is a star, so he really is a star floating around in heaven, Get it?
Names are only forms of representations. Jesus speaks “GOD”S WORDS TO US”, so yes he can be called the word of God as a “title”, for that very reason, but is he “ACTUALLY” GOD”S WORDS “NO” he is not. God and HIS words are one and the same thing, just as you and your words are one and the same thing. John 1:1 says the word “WAS” GOD, and Jesus is not a GOD of any kind and if he were here he would tell you that also. He has a God and it is Not him, it is the same God we are to have.
I have also addressed the “LET US” thing showing that there are “SEVEN SPIRITS” (distinct intellects) of GOD and with these SEVEN SPIRITS, the LORD “YAHWEH” OUR GOD, does all his creative works. They are what council's his will, and gives him his intellects, he uses to bring about his purposes. In this way it fulfills the words of the LORD our God, where he said he did it alone and all by himself. Alone because All seven Spirits act as one which makes up the mind “ONE and “ONLY” TRUE GOD” , That is if you believe Jesus when he said to the FATHER , “THOU ARE THE “ONLY'” TRUE GOD , you need to ask yourself, if you truly believe what the “MAN” Jesus said or not?
I know it is hard, but you need to come out of all those preconceived ideas of false past religious influences, and lay hold on the truth, and it all begins with coming to see Jesus is NO GOD at all, he never was and come to see him as a HUMAN BEING, just as you are, a person who came into being at the time of his human berth.
All who make Jesus into a God are IDOLATERS and will suffer the fate of Idolaters, and will be completely reject by God the Father and the “MAN” Jesus Christ also at the “SON OF MANS” return, unless they repent. Jesus himself will be the one that will destroy that LIE about HIM with his very own mouth at his return. 2 Ths 2…. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………………………….gene
Hi Wakeup:
It is Jesus who is coming in the cloud when the Father sends him. He said no man knows the day or the hour of his coming. It is only God his Father and our Father who knows .
You say his name is “The Word of God”, but the scripture does not quite it like that, and there is a difference. This is what the scripture states:
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Rev 19:13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
He is called by that title, be cause he obeyed the Word of God unto death on the cross, and he will judge the living and the dead by that same Word. But the Word of God did not originate from him. It came from God our Father.
Quote Jhn 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
Jhn 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Jhn 12:49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
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Rev 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war
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Rev 19:15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Tools specific to Rev 19:16
Rev 19:16
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
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Rev 1:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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Mat 24:32
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Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:Mat 24:33
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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