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Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 23 2011,10:18) Where does the scripture say that Jesus is NOT God?
Where does the scripture specifically say “Moses is not God”?Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 23 2011,10:18) In Acts 4:24 the Father is called “despotes” and in Jude 4 Christ is called “only despotes.”
Jude 1:4 doesn't say anything of the sort.Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 23 2011,10:18) If the expression “only God” in reference to the Father must exclude Jesus, then the expression “only despotes” in reference to Christ must exclude the Father.
Good. Now that you know Jesus is never called “despotes”, then we are left with the only God being SPECIFICALLY NAMED as THE FATHER.Jack, if scripture clearly in two places tells us that our only God is THE FATHER, why don't you believe it? If Jesus himself tells you that THE FATHER is the ONLY True God, then why do you not believe what he taught you? Why do you call him Lord, Lord, and not do what he says?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,21:41) Satan has successfully blinded the minds of these ones by convincing them they are doing God and His Son a favor by breaking the very commandment of God not to worship anyone but Him.
MikeYes of course, all the millions of believers out there that are Trinitarians and are leading 1000s to Christ everyday and feeding the hungry, healing the sick and meeting the needs of humanity are all blind and you see the light.
When is the last time you have led someone to Christ or given money to help the cause of Christ?
You shall know them by their fruits Mike.
For you to cast a dark shadow over the whole of Christendom that is doing the works of God in the earth is disgusting, arrogant and accusing.
The Bible warns of the accuser of the Brethren Mike and your spirit is apparently in line with him.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 25 2011,03:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,21:41) Satan has successfully blinded the minds of these ones by convincing them they are doing God and His Son a favor by breaking the very commandment of God not to worship anyone but Him.
MikeYes of course, all the millions of believers out there that are Trinitarians and are leading 1000s to Christ everyday and feeding the hungry, healing the sick and meeting the needs of humanity are all blind and you see the light.
When is the last time you have led someone to Christ or given money to help the cause of Christ?
You shall know them by their fruits Mike.
For you to cast a dark shadow over the whole of Christendom that is doing the works of God in the earth is disgusting, arrogant and accusing.
The Bible warns of the accuser of the Brethren Mike and your spirit is apparently in line with him.
WJ
Keith,It's funny Mike should say that because Paul said that satan blinded them TO THE GLORY OF CHRIST (2 Cor. 4:4).
IT IS THE GLORY OF CHRIST THEY CAN'T SEE MIKE! PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT YOU!
Mike thinks he is going to destroy Trinitarianism when he can't even comprehend what Paul actually said.
Jack
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 25 2011,03:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,21:41) Satan has successfully blinded the minds of these ones by convincing them they are doing God and His Son a favor by breaking the very commandment of God not to worship anyone but Him.
MikeYes of course, all the millions of believers out there that are Trinitarians and are leading 1000s to Christ everyday and feeding the hungry, healing the sick and meeting the needs of humanity are all blind and you see the light.
When is the last time you have led someone to Christ or given money to help the cause of Christ?
You shall know them by their fruits Mike.
For you to cast a dark shadow over the whole of Christendom that is doing the works of God in the earth is disgusting, arrogant and accusing.
The Bible warns of the accuser of the Brethren Mike and your spirit is apparently in line with him.
WJ
Hi WJ:If anyone leads anyone to Christ, it will be by preaching Jesus Christ and him crucified.
John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved.”
Quote John 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. There is no mention of a “Trinity” here, and so, what does the fact that a Trinitarian leads someone to Christ or does good works in his name have anything to do with the fact that there is but “One God” and “One mediator between God and man, the man, Christ, Jesus”.
I don't want to get off topic here, but I believe that this had to be stated.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2011,16:47) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 25 2011,03:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,21:41) Satan has successfully blinded the minds of these ones by convincing them they are doing God and His Son a favor by breaking the very commandment of God not to worship anyone but Him.
MikeYes of course, all the millions of believers out there that are Trinitarians and are leading 1000s to Christ everyday and feeding the hungry, healing the sick and meeting the needs of humanity are all blind and you see the light.
When is the last time you have led someone to Christ or given money to help the cause of Christ?
You shall know them by their fruits Mike.
For you to cast a dark shadow over the whole of Christendom that is doing the works of God in the earth is disgusting, arrogant and accusing.
The Bible warns of the accuser of the Brethren Mike and your spirit is apparently in line with him.
WJ
Hi WJ:If anyone leads anyone to Christ, it will be by preaching Jesus Christ and him crucified.
John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved.”
Quote John 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. There is no mention of a “Trinity” here, and so, what does the fact that a Trinitarian leads someone to Christ or does good works in his name have anything to do with the fact that there is but “One God” and “One mediator between God and man, the man, Christ, Jesus”.
I don't want to get off topic here, but I believe that this had to be stated.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYou are missing the whole point. How could the majority that are getting saved through the Trinitarian ministries know Jesus as the “Only Begotten Son” if they are not preaching the truth?
If the majority of Christendom believes in the Trinity (which they do) then why is it that God blesses them?
Why are they doing the majority of the works of God by feeding the poor, healing the sick, and bringing men to Christ?
If the Trinity is wrong then why doesn't most deny it and come out from the churches?
If the Trinitarian church is preaching heresy then why does the Father bless them so by using them as opposed to the anti Jesus is God crowd?
Do you know any major ministries doing the work that are not Trinitarian?
Marty why do you go to a church that you believe preaches heresy and a damnable doctrine like the Trinity?
Could it be they are right and you are wrong? You will know them by their fruit.
WJ
Mike said:
Quote Where does the scripture specifically say “Moses is not God”?
Acts says that Moses was a ruler and a deliverer BY THE HAND OF THE ANGEL WHO APPEARED IN THE BUSHQuote “This Moses whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?’ is the one God sent to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the Angel who appeared to him in the bush. Acts 7:35
The new testament says Moses was a “RULER” Mike! Furthermore, Moses was a SERVANT in contrast to Christ who is a SON:Quote 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
I said:Quote In Acts 4:24 the Father is called “despotes” and in Jude 4 Christ is called “only despotes.” Mike replied:
Quote Jude 1:4 doesn't say anything of the sort.
Well then Mike, I guess you will have to throw out your own NWT:Quote …and proving false to our only Owner (despotes) and Lord Jesus Christ.
How are you going to topple the Trinity doctrine when the new testament says that Moses was a “ruler” BY THE HAND of the Angel? How will you overthrow the trinity doctrine when you don't even know that your own translation says that Jesus Christ is our “only despotes”?Jack
Jack,
First, nothing you posted clearly tells us that Moses was NOT God. What else do you have?
Second, I am not a JW, and have never been one. I truly enjoy the NWT, and believe it translates many scriptures better than most other translations…………..but my favorite so far is the NIV. So if you're going to call a particular translation “MY Bible”, then call the NIV that, okay? Not the NWT.
Third, I like how one of your proofs that Moses isn't God is that he is a SERVANT OF God. Yet you try to contrast that to Jesus, when in fact, Jesus is called a SERVANT OF God 4 different times in the Book of Acts. And each time refers to Jesus AFTER he was EXALTED to the right hand of HIS God.
Jack's Great Logic:
Being a SERVANT of God eliminates the possibility that Moses is God. Being a SERVANT of God does NOT eliminate the possibility that Jesus is God.
Fourth,
NKJV ©
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.Jack, do you claim that the KJV version is grammatically IMPOSSIBLE? I know you have your “preferred” version, but can you PROVE that the KJV version is a complete IMPOSSIBILITY?
And finally, what's the big deal anyway? Are you implying that a word that meant “master” can ONLY be used of “God Himself”? Paul said he was a slave of Christ many times. That would make Christ his “master”, right? I guess I've forgotten exactly WHY you think 1:4 is a trinity “proof text”. Could you refresh my mind on it?
mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,16:41) If the majority of Christendom believes in the Trinity (which they do) then why is it that God blesses them. Why are they doing the majority of the works of God by feeding the poor, healing the sick, and bringing men to Christ.
For Keith:22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus preceeds this warning with these words:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Why must we do the will of Jesus' FATHER? According to the trinity, should we not be doing the will of the FATHER/SON/SPIRIT? Why only the Father? Is Jesus a “second rate” member of the “Godhead”?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2011,11:25) Jack, I am not a JW, and have never been one. I truly enjoy the NWT, and believe it translates many scriptures better than most other translations…………..but my favorite so far is the NIV. So if you're going to call a particular translation “MY Bible”, then call the NIV that, okay? Not the NWT.
mike
Hi Mike,The N.I.V. is loaded with translational 'errors'!
If you don't like the “AKJV Bible”, I suggest
you try reading the N.A.S. bible instead.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2011,11:25) Jack, Fourth,
NKJV ©
For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.Jack, do you claim that the KJV version is grammatically IMPOSSIBLE? I know you have your “preferred” version, but can you PROVE that the KJV version is a complete IMPOSSIBILITY?
And finally, what's the big deal anyway? Are you implying that a word that meant “master” can ONLY be used of “God Himself”? Paul said he was a slave of Christ many times. That would make Christ his “master”, right? I guess I've forgotten exactly WHY you think 1:4 is a trinity “proof text”. Could you refresh my mind on it?
mike
Hi Mike,He cannot call an independent translation biased; can he?
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares,
who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.(Google) Some people crept in unawares, some
who formerly aforetime in the end his wicked shame,
changed grace of our God into lasciviousness, by denying
[both the only LORD GOD], and our Lord Jesus Christ.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike wrote:
Quote First, nothing you posted clearly tells us that Moses was NOT God. What else do you have?
Stephen called Moses an “archon” (ruler) Mike. He did not use the word “theos” in reference to Moses.BUT JESUS IS CLEARLY CALLED BY THE NAME “THEOS” IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. YOU HAVE ADMITTED THAT JESUS IS CALLED GOD MIKE.
Quote Second, I am not a JW, and have never been one. I truly enjoy the NWT, and believe it translates many scriptures better than most other translations…………..but my favorite so far is the NIV. So if you're going to call a particular translation “MY Bible”, then call the NIV that, okay? Not the NWT.
The NIV is Trinitarian and it is your “favorite” Bible?
Quote Third, I like how one of your proofs that Moses isn't God is that he is a SERVANT OF God.
What! You use the word “servant” in reference to Jesus as proof that He is not God. You have argued this a million times. But now the word “servant” does not imply that Moses is not God. Honestly Mike! Jesus was a servant but was exallted to the status of “Son” which in Hebrew culture implied equality with the father. Hebrews 3 says that Moses was a “servant” in God's house and that Jesus is a “Son” in God's house. It says that Jesus receives “much more glory” than Moses which is the glory of the builder (God). Therefore, Jesus receives the glory God receives.Quote For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.[/color] Jack, do you claim that the KJV version is grammatically IMPOSSIBLE? I know you have your “preferred” version, but can you PROVE that the KJV version is a complete IMPOSSIBILITY?
Okay make up your mind Mike. You have just said that your “favorite” Bible is the NIV which agrees with the NWT. Yet you invoke the KJV.
The KJV is based in inferior manuscripts. The word “God” was added by some scribes. The Critical text which is based in the oldest manuscripts does NOT have the word “God” next to “despotes.” The NIV which you have now admitted is your favorite Bible does NOT have the word “God” next to “despotes.”
Quote 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. You said that I may call the NIV your “favorite” Bible. OKAY, YOUR “FAVORITE” BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS IS OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN (DESPOTES) AND LORD!
You're really a piece of work Mike. You say that the NIV is your “favorite” Bible but then invoke the KJV which disagrees with the NIV.
Back to Moses. In numbers 20:16 Moses include himself ammong the delivered. He said,
Quote 16 When we cried out to the LORD, He heard our voice and sent the Angel and brought us up out of Egypt; now here we are in Kadesh, a city on the edge of your border.
Note that Moses included himself among the delivered.WHERE IS JESUS EVER INCLUDED AMONG THE DELIVERED MIKE?
Jack
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,20:04) Mike WHERE IS JESUS EVER INCLUDED AMONG THE DELIVERED MIKE?
Jack
Hi Jack,I can answer that. He was delivered from death, just like we all will be!
Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ
from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2011,19:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 24 2011,16:41) If the majority of Christendom believes in the Trinity (which they do) then why is it that God blesses them. Why are they doing the majority of the works of God by feeding the poor, healing the sick, and bringing men to Christ.
For Keith:22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Jesus preceeds this warning with these words:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Why must we do the will of Jesus' FATHER? According to the trinity, should we not be doing the will of the FATHER/SON/SPIRIT? Why only the Father? Is Jesus a “second rate” member of the “Godhead”?
mike
MikeThere you go again making assumptions.
Men were also to do the will of Jesus…
If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. John 12:26
But doing the will of the Father is doing the will of the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Because doing the will of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is also doing the will of the Father.
Is that all you have to respond to my point?
I asked you a question…
When is the last time you have led someone to Christ or given money to help the cause of Christ?
So why do you accuse those who are doing the works of Christ by throwing a dark shadow over the majority of Christendom with a blanket statement like this…
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,21:41) Satan has successfully blinded the minds of these ones by convincing them they are doing God and His Son a favor by breaking the very commandment of God not to worship anyone but Him.
It is the accuser of the Brethren that takes pop shots at the children of God who are doing the will of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.BTW, did you make the connection in those two verse that you quoted that they were accountable to Jesus and Jesus says to them “I never knew you”? Why didn't he say “The Father never knew you”?
Could it be because they did not know who Jesus is therefore they did not know God? He He.
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2011,22:08) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,20:04) Mike WHERE IS JESUS EVER INCLUDED AMONG THE DELIVERED MIKE?
Jack
Hi Jack,I can answer that. He was delivered from death, just like we all will be!
Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ
from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This has nothing to do with my question. Jesus was NEVER delivered from the bondage of sin which the deliverance from Egypt typified. Moses was among the delivered from Egypt. You have become a liar and a deceiver Ed.KJ
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 26 2011,02:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2011,22:08) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,20:04) Mike WHERE IS JESUS EVER INCLUDED AMONG THE DELIVERED MIKE?
Jack
Hi Jack,I can answer that. He was delivered from death, just like we all will be!
Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ
from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This has nothing to do with my question. Jesus was NEVER delivered from the bondage of sin which the deliverance from Egypt typified. Moses was among the delivered from Egypt. You have become a liar and a deceiver Ed.KJ
Keith,Can you believe these guys?
Jack
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,10:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2011,22:08) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,20:04) Mike WHERE IS JESUS EVER INCLUDED AMONG THE DELIVERED MIKE?
Jack
Hi Jack,I can answer that. He was delivered from death, just like we all will be!
Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ
from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This has nothing to do with my question. Jesus was NEVER delivered from the bondage of sin which the deliverance from Egypt typified. Moses was among the delivered from Egypt. You have become a liar and a deceiver Ed.KJ
JackJesus laid down his life and had the power to take it again.
Jesus conquered death, he wasn't delivered from it, we were delivered from it because of him.
WJ
Mike wrote:
Quote Third, I like how one of your proofs that Moses isn't God is that he is a SERVANT OF God. Yet you try to contrast that to Jesus, when in fact, Jesus is called a SERVANT OF God 4 different times in the Book of Acts. And each time refers to Jesus AFTER he was EXALTED to the right hand of HIS God.
TO ALL,It is the author to the Hebrews who makes the contrast between Jesus and Moses.
Quote 1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus, 2 who was faithful to Him who appointed Him, as Moses also was faithful in all His house. 3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end. Hebrews 3:1-6
The contrast is CLEAR! Moses was a servant and Jesus is SON OVER HIS OWN HOUSE. How can Jesus be a servant in His own house? Then it says, that we are His house.Mike did not reply to this at all. Instead he engages in pretext from the book of Acts and pits Acts against Hebrews. Mike says that Acts teaches that Jesus is called “servant” after His exaltation. But the word “after” is not in the text. The book of Acts says that God exalted His servant Jesus. It does NOT say that Jesus remained servant after He was exalted.
How was Christ truly exalted if He remained a servant after He was exalted?
Again, the book of Acts CLEARLY says that God exalted His servant Jesus. It does not say that Jesus remained a servant. This is special pleading on Mike's part. Hebrews 3 EXPLICITLY says that Jesus is “SON OVER HIS OWN HOUSE” in contrast to Moses who was a servant.
PLEASE COMMENT ON THE CONTRAST BETWEEN MOSES AND JESUS IN HEBREWS CHAPTER THREE MIKE!
KJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 25 2011,09:41) Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2011,16:47) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 25 2011,03:39) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2011,21:41) Satan has successfully blinded the minds of these ones by convincing them they are doing God and His Son a favor by breaking the very commandment of God not to worship anyone but Him.
MikeYes of course, all the millions of believers out there that are Trinitarians and are leading 1000s to Christ everyday and feeding the hungry, healing the sick and meeting the needs of humanity are all blind and you see the light.
When is the last time you have led someone to Christ or given money to help the cause of Christ?
You shall know them by their fruits Mike.
For you to cast a dark shadow over the whole of Christendom that is doing the works of God in the earth is disgusting, arrogant and accusing.
The Bible warns of the accuser of the Brethren Mike and your spirit is apparently in line with him.
WJ
Hi WJ:If anyone leads anyone to Christ, it will be by preaching Jesus Christ and him crucified.
John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved.”
Quote John 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. There is no mention of a “Trinity” here, and so, what does the fact that a Trinitarian leads someone to Christ or does good works in his name have anything to do with the fact that there is but “One God” and “One mediator between God and man, the man, Christ, Jesus”.
I don't want to get off topic here, but I believe that this had to be stated.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYou are missing the whole point. How could the majority that are getting saved through the Trinitarian ministries know Jesus as the “Only Begotten Son” if they are not preaching the truth?
If the majority of Christendom believes in the Trinity (which they do) then why is it that God blesses them?
Why are they doing the majority of the works of God by feeding the poor, healing the sick, and bringing men to Christ?
If the Trinity is wrong then why doesn't most deny it and come out from the churches?
If the Trinitarian church is preaching heresy then why does the Father bless them so by using them as opposed to the anti Jesus is God crowd?
Do you know any major ministries doing the work that are not Trinitarian?
Marty why do you go to a church that you believe preaches heresy and a damnable doctrine like the Trinity?
Could it be they are right and you are wrong? You will know them by their fruit.
WJ
Hi Keith:I go to a church where the trinity is taught and I discuss the differences in my understanding of the scriptures that I have with them and with you with prayer hoping that we can come into unity in what we teach that the payer of our Lord in John 17 might become a reality.
Most people in the church don't understand the trinity doctrine. They just simply go along with the flow. Even those in leadership can't explain the doctrine.
I do not see God confirming what is being taught with miracles and signs and wonders following.
Quote 1 Co 3:9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. 10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 26 2011,03:07) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,10:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 25 2011,22:08) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 25 2011,20:04) Mike WHERE IS JESUS EVER INCLUDED AMONG THE DELIVERED MIKE?
Jack
Hi Jack,I can answer that. He was delivered from death, just like we all will be!
Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ
from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This has nothing to do with my question. Jesus was NEVER delivered from the bondage of sin which the deliverance from Egypt typified. Moses was among the delivered from Egypt. You have become a liar and a deceiver Ed.KJ
JackJesus laid down his life and had the power to take it again.
Jesus conquered death, he wasn't delivered from it, we were delivered from it because of him.
WJ
Amen!Jack
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 25 2011,11:14) I do not see God confirming what is being taught with miracles and signs and wonders following.
MartyCan you point me to any anti Jesus is God people that are saving people and feeding the poor and healing the sick or where there are signs and wonders following.
If the Trinity Doctrine is such a damnable doctrine then why is it that it is mostly the Trinitarians whom God is working through?
Are the signs and wonders working through you, if so why don't you tell us about it and then explain to us it is because you don't believe in the “Trinity”?
WJ
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