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SO READ IT AGAIN. RESPECT THE PROCEDURE AND POST YOUR COMMENT RELATED TO MY STATEMENT!
JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.
SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!
It is not the same. While there was an expectation of the messiah, there was never such an expectation from the Old Testament for the Trinity. In fact quite the opposite and the reason why the Jews believe in one God and not a Triune God. Where they erred is not in their idea of one God, but their rejection of his sent messiah.
If you did some digging around, you would find that the Trinity Doctrine developed centuries later. It was even preceded by the Binity with the third so-called member being added in some 60 or 70 years after that. It is historically recorded.
While there is a progression between the old and the new, the Trinity has nothing at all to do with that and has more in common with pagan ideas and politics accompanied by the worse fruit you can imagine. It got to the point where you were forced to believe this false doctrine or suffer the flame, stake, torture, or persecution. Nothing has really changed except you cannot legally murder us anymore, only attack our precious beliefs of the one true God.
All the foundational doctrines are in the books of the Bible. We are taught clearly the identity of Jesus Christ as the Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. We are also taught about the foundation of the Church. The Trinity is nout to do with any of it.
It is a tradition of man and perhaps even worse than that.
t8 this is what you said to carmel..
“All this other crap about him being God is stupid”
this is what you said to me…
“DavidL, are you aware that the measure you judge is the same that you will be judged by.”
Two standards..?No DavidL, one standard. If I start to babble on about traditions and doctrines that are not supported in scripture or contradict clear teaching in scripture, then I can assure you that I too would be talking crap.
ALSO, UNLESS YOU PIN POINT WHERE IN MY PREACHING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH, AND CONTRADICT ME IN RELATION TO IT TO JUSTIFY THAT YOUR BELIEF IS TRUTH, I WON’T BE ABLE TO POST BACK AND DO LIKEWISE TO JUSTIFY THAT MY BELIEF IS THE TRUTH!
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.Carmel 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God Jesus Christ, who sent himself into the world.
or
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only trinue God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit of which the Father of God sent the Son of God into the world.I believe the first one whereas you believe one or both of the other two.
John 17:3 exposes your false doctrine of the Trinity. I could go on, but this alone is enough for you to seriously contemplate if you care about the truth.
Carmel,
Sex between a husband and his wife is not filthy. That witch is filthy is the desires of the flesh and Paul taught that a husbands and his wife chose to do so they were to agree to abstain from sex for a time but not more than each could withstand. He did not call such sex the works of the flesh.
Jesus’ conception was miraculous and so was John the Baptist’s. The difference of two is the degree of miracle with Elizabeth being a barren woman and Marry being a virgin.
Mary was not part angel. She and Elizabeth are both human beings as are Jesus and John the Baptist.
Scripture teaches Jesus is a human being.
t8
John 17:3 exposes your false doctrine of the Trinity. I could go on, but this alone is enough for you to seriously contemplate if you care about the truth.
Who are you trying to convince….yourself..???
Your chosen verse, that you IMAGINE denies the trinity, in fact only confirms the UNITY of Father and Son…!!!!
You are the one who has deviated in your teaching from the historical truth of Jesus Christ..
Twisting Scripture (like John 17:3) in an effort to promote your own corrupt teaching.
t8
JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.
SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!
It is not the same.
As per usual you tactfully try to deny truths that are disagreeable to your own teaching…
But let’s consider it again..
The whole Old Testament is in fact a reference to Jesus Christ, who is never mentioned directly by name…
So also the Bible never mentions the Trinity by name, and yet the whole New Testament is a revelation of the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit..!!!
(I know you will go on denying – because you are compelled to preserve and promote your own false doctrine…but in the face of such bias, you can no longer sincerely claim to be an honest seeker of truth).
Hi DavidL
the whole New Testament is a revelation of the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit..!!!
That is an excellent and correct statement so how is it a trinity? You basically said The Power of The One God was on display, there is no need to go past that position.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah(YHWH) is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)
DavidL,
You do not believe Scripture or you world know that just as the one true God sent John the Baptist into the world to tell of the coming off the Messiah so to did he send Jesus Christ whom he created in Mary.
You fail to understand that Jesus had to be a human being in order to save human beings.
I believe it is because love darkness and knowing Jesus, a human being, did not sin though being tempted as other human beings is just too much for you to handle and so your subconscious seeks to make him God in order to address that prick against your conscious. You are stuck in the denial phase and will not proceed until you repent. You are not alone.
Exactly, God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted, therefore Jesus cannot be God.
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.There is nothing else to say about that, just that one point alone disqualifies Jesus as God according to the scriptures, for it doesn’t say “the Father cannot be tempted” it Clearly says “God” cannot be tempted so that even if God was a triune God no part thereof could be tempted. A being that can be tempted cannot be classified as God in any way shape or form
bodhitharta
They do blaspheme who say: Allah(YHWH) is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
I am unfamiliar with Muslim Scriptures, but if such a belief were indeed blasphemy then I am certain the Bible would also confirm this truth…yet it seems in Scripture we find it was Christ who was accused of blasphemy – and for the very same reason you give…(making Himself equal to YHWH).
So, you consider me a blasphemer because I accept the words of Christ – yet I also have a conscience and know that if my actions and beliefs were somehow in contradiction to the truth – then I would feel deeply bad about this..and yet, to the contrary, I am so deeply blessed of God (and free from fear) when I acknowledge the Deity of His own Beloved Son…!!
DavidL,
I define blaspheme as falsely accusing God but the actual definition is much wider in that it means treating God with disrespect. Trinitarian accuse God of being tempted even as human beings and that is false and disrespectful accusation.
Is claiming God is three person disrespectful. It is an untruth and therefore a false doctrine but other than that I do not see it as disrespectful. The bottom line is my eyesight is not perfect.
Exactly, God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted, therefore Jesus cannot be God.
Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..
He overcame temptation as a man
simply to make a way for man to come back to God..
David,
Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..
He overcame temptation as a man
simply to make a way for man to come back to God..
Your words are nonsense. You claim God chose to stop being God so he could he could instead be a human being. That would mean your triune God became a biune God while Jesus was a human being. Scripture tells us Jesus is still a human being, 1 Timothy 2:5. That means that there is no longer a triune God and yet you believe God is composed of three persons.
James declares that God cannot be tempted by evil but you claim there is an exception as God can chose the change his kind in order to be tempted by evil. The choice to subject oneself to being tempted by the Devil is ungodly and God cannot do an ungodly action or even tempted to do one.
Jesus overcame temptation as a result of his faith just as it is written “the righteous live by faith”. We are to follow him.
Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..
He overcame temptation as a man
simply to make a way for man to come back to God..Rubbish. God does not change. God is not a man that he should lie.
God is an invisible Spirit. He has a son who is the express image of him.
If you want to know what God looks like or is like, then look no further than into the face of Jesus Christ because he is the image of the invisible God
Understand the word ‘image’ and you will understand Jesus more and will not say silly things like he is God.
GOD IS NOT AN IMAGE.
Thanks Kerwin.
Jesus changed or changes, God does not.
Philippians 2:6-11
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.Time to start confessing the truth about Jesus DavidL.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
t8
Rubbish. God does not change. God is not a man that he should lie.
It’s funny how you constantly oppose what I say…and yet continually end up confirming it…!!
This is what I said,
Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..
You said – ‘Rubbish,’ and quoted Phil 2
“who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.”
ie, …Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human.
Just pointing out how your own personal bias actually blinds you to the truth..!
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