Spiritual flesh bodies vs spirit bodies

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,00:52)

k Quote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement ?

T,

It is the definition of the word nature. Sinful nature vs divine nature; Flesh vs Spirit.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,02:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,00:52) k Quote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement ? T, It is the definition of the word nature.    Sinful nature vs divine nature;  Flesh vs Spirit.

k

sinful NATURE means FLESHLY LOVE ORIENTED ,now DIVINE/SPIRITUALLY /GODLY/HOLY/ORIENTED MEANS ;that WE HAVE LEFT THE SINFUL NATURE OF THE FLESH AND EMBARKED INTO THE DIVINE SPIRIT NATURE (BUT WE ARE STILL FLESH )

WHAT THE ARGUMENT IN SCRIPTURES IS ALL ABOUT IT,IS THAT WE POSSESS THE TWO POSSIBILITIES BUT CHOSE TO LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER ;SO EITHER WE LOVE GOD AND HIS SON AND LIVE BY THE SPIRIT OF THEM (MEANS WORDS OF TEACHINGS) AND SO HATE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ;(MEANS FOR THE SATISFACTION OF THAT FLESH)

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,07:51)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,00:52) k Quote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement ? T, It is the definition of the word nature.    Sinful nature vs divine nature;  Flesh vs Spirit.

Kerwin.

You need to visit the library again i'm afraid.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come

***in the glory of his Father with his angels***

and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

THE GLORY OF THE FATHER IS THE GLORY OF THE FLESH??

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,04:07)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,02:51) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,00:52) k Quote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement ? T, It is the definition of the word nature.    Sinful nature vs divine nature;  Flesh vs Spirit. k sinful NATURE means FLESHLY LOVE ORIENTED ,now DIVINE/SPIRITUALLY /GODLY/HOLY/ORIENTED MEANS ;that WE HAVE LEFT THE SINFUL NATURE OF THE FLESH AND EMBARKED INTO THE DIVINE SPIRIT NATURE (BUT WE ARE STILL FLESH ) WHAT THE ARGUMENT IN SCRIPTURES IS ALL ABOUT IT,IS THAT WE POSSESS THE TWO POSSIBILITIES BUT CHOSE TO LOVE ONE AND HATE THE OTHER ;SO EITHER WE LOVE GOD AND HIS SON AND LIVE BY THE SPIRIT OF THEM (MEANS WORDS OF TEACHINGS) AND SO HATE TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ;(MEANS FOR THE SATISFACTION OF THAT FLESH)

T,

Yes.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:42)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,07:51) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,00:52) k Quote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement ? T, It is the definition of the word nature.    Sinful nature vs divine nature;  Flesh vs Spirit. Kerwin. You need to visit the library again i'm afraid.  Matthew 16:27   For the Son of man shall come ***in the glory of his Father with his angels*** and then he shall reward every man according to his works. THE GLORY OF THE FATHER IS THE GLORY OF THE FLESH?? wakeup.

Wakeup,

I am not sure what you are getting at here as the NIV uses sinful nature as a synonym of the AKJV's flesh in Galatians 5: 13-26. Any dictionary should tell you the appropriate definition of nature if you do not know it already.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,19:30)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,13:42) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,07:51) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 28 2013,00:52) k Quote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement ? T, It is the definition of the word nature.    Sinful nature vs divine nature;  Flesh vs Spirit. Kerwin. You need to visit the library again i'm afraid.  Matthew 16:27   For the Son of man shall come ***in the glory of his Father with his angels*** and then he shall reward every man according to his works. THE GLORY OF THE FATHER IS THE GLORY OF THE FLESH?? wakeup. Wakeup, I am not sure what you are getting at here as the NIV uses sinful nature as a synonym of the AKJV's flesh in Galatians 5: 13-26.  Any dictionary should tell you the appropriate definition of nature if you do not know it already.

Kerwin.

You seem to follow the dictionary,
rather that the Word of God.
As far as I know,The word of God is for the poor.
and the humble; that dont own a dictionary.
Or dont have access to a dictionary.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,16:00)

Kerwin. You seem to follow the dictionary, rather that the Word of God. As far as I know,The word of God is for the poor. and the humble; that dont own a dictionary. Or dont have access to a dictionary. wakeup.

Wakeup,

As far as I know Peter had some harsh words for the unstable and unlearned and declared they misinterpreted Scripture to their own damnation.

Hosea voices these words about those who intentionally lack knowledge.

Hosea 4:6
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
that thou shalt be no priest to me:
seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God,
I will also forget thy children.

In this age in America the poor go to garage sales and purchase dictionaries if they don't happen to be online, like I whose income is zero am currently.  There is also a library and age old borrowing or asking others.  That is one reason their is a church.

There are situations with dictionaries such as the dictionary definition does not fit the use of a word in Scripture in any but a vague manner, it does not fit at all, it is corrupted, it is too vague, or you cannot find the word.    Lexicons are similar though they seem more applicable to the particular English and Koine Greek versions they specialize in.

It is foolish to choose to lack knowledge of the language used in Scripture as then it as if a God was speaking to you in an alien dialect of the same language.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,04:30)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,16:00) Kerwin. You seem to follow the dictionary, rather that the Word of God. As far as I know,The word of God is for the poor. and the humble; that dont own a dictionary. Or dont have access to a dictionary. wakeup. Wakeup, As far as I know Peter had some harsh words for the unstable and unlearned and declared they misinterpreted Scripture to their own damnation. Hosea voices these words about those who intentionally lack knowledge. Hosea 4:6 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. In this age in America the poor go to garage sales and purchase dictionaries if they don't happen to be online, like I whose income is zero am currently.  There is also a library and age old borrowing or asking others.  That is one reason their is a church. There are situations with dictionaries such as the dictionary definition does not fit the use of a word in Scripture in any but a vague manner, it does not fit at all, it is corrupted, it is too vague, or you cannot find the word.    Lexicons are similar though they seem more applicable to the particular English and Koine Greek versions they specialize in. It is foolish to choose to lack knowledge of the language used in Scripture as then it as if a God was speaking to you in an alien dialect of the same language.

Kerwin.

you are seeking and depending on mens word
to find spiritual knowledge.
Rejecting the holy Spirit to guide you.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

If you accuse me when I choose to do what Paul did then accuse him and what he said when speaking by the Spirit.  That is foolishness. Seek wisdom instead.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,05:54)

Wakeup, If you accuse me when I choose to do what Paul did then accuse him and what he said when speaking by the Spirit.  That is foolishness.  Seek wisdom instead.

Kerwin.

Your own words is accusing you.
You are feeding on strange flesh.
You should be feeding on Christ's flesh.

Many Christians so called are doing worse;
they feed on swine's flesh.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

You choose to hold on to lack of knowledge and hear a language you do not fully understand even though God repeatedly warns you not to.  I choose not to touch such an unclean action.  God will judge between us as the watchman has warned you and it is your choice whether or not to heed his warning.  I know my choice.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 29 2013,06:44)

Wake, You choose to hold on to lack of knowledge and hear a language you do not fully understand even though God repeatedly warns you not to.  I choose not to touch such an unclean action.  God will judge between us as the watchman has warned you and it is your choice whether or not to heed his warning.  I know my choice.

Kerwin.

You have made your choice.
It's your own choice.
And your choice is not to depend on the Holy Spirit,
but on men.

There are many christians that have
made the same choice.
Feeding on strange flesh.
Anything not Christ flesh is strange flesh.
And you have demonstrated that.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup,

No, very few choose to make the choice to seek God's righteousness and his kingdom. Most will not believe that God will make them righteous as he is, even as they are tempted by evil. Many seem to love sin more than they love righteousness.

I have called on you to seek God's righteousness several times and yet you have not chosen to respond. If that is not important to you then nothing else matters.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 26 2013,23:47)

Mike, Thomas made the demand to see the marks of the nails on Jesus' “hands” and thrust his hand on Jesus side in order to verify it was Jesus.  I have heard no reasonable grounds to believe otherwise.

Kerwin,

Your stance makes no sense to me. The point is that Thomas was saying he would not believe unless his own hands were IN the hole the spear made in the side of Jesus' body.

Why would just putting his hand ON the wound be any more proof than SEEING the wound? The idea is that his hand would go all the way IN the side of Jesus if it was in fact the same Jesus who was stabbed with the spear.

But you believe what you want, okay?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,00:05)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2013,08:32) That could mean that the savior had to be originally created as a flesh being……… OR……… that this savior existed with a DIFFERENT nature, and then PARTOOK in the flesh nature. Either is possible. Mike, I mostly agree with you in regards to Hebrews 2:14…….

So then you agree that partaking in a particular nature DOESN'T have to imply that it is that person's ORIGINAL nature, right?

So Jesus partaking in flesh DOESN'T necessarily mean that flesh is the FIRST nature he ever had, right?

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,00:05)

….but you subconsciously twist the meaning of Philippians 2 as a result of denying its actual meaning.

Not too much there to “twist”, Kerwin.  Jesus WAS existing in one form, and then emptied himself and took on a DIFFERENT form by being made in the likeness of a human being.

Stage 1: Existing in the form of God

Stage 2: Was made in the likeness of a human being

Nothing you ever say will change the FACT that Jesus “considered things” and “emptied himself” prior to “being made in the likeness of a human being”.

So if “human being” was his original form, the passage tells us that Jesus “considered equality with God” and “emptied himself” prior to even existing at all. Does that make sense to you?

But you believe what you want, okay?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,01:42)

THE GLORY OF THE FATHER IS THE GLORY OF THE FLESH??

I saw a lot of back and forth after Wakeup made this fine point, but I didn't really see an ANSWER from Kerwin.

Kerwin, is the glory of the Father a “flesh glory”? YES or NO?

Also consider:
Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being………

Exact representation? Except for that the Father is a spirit being and the Son is a flesh being, right Kerwin?

Believe what you want. You will anyway.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:13)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 26 2013,23:47) Mike, Thomas made the demand to see the marks of the nails on Jesus' “hands” and thrust his hand on Jesus side in order to verify it was Jesus.  I have heard no reasonable grounds to believe otherwise. Kerwin, Your stance makes no sense to me.  The point is that Thomas was saying he would not believe unless his own hands were IN the hole the spear made in the side of Jesus' body. Why would just putting his hand ON the wound be any more proof than SEEING the wound?  The idea is that his hand would go all the way IN the side of Jesus if it was in fact the same Jesus who was stabbed with the spear. But you believe what you want, okay?

Mike,

Thomas had not seen Jesus yet so why would he believe Jesus was walking around mortally wounded?  If you were to tell me a person was walking around alive after they were dead on three days then the last thing I would believe is that they still bore the wounds that killed them in the first place.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 29 2013,05:32)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2013,01:42) THE GLORY OF THE FATHER IS THE GLORY OF THE FLESH?? I saw a lot of back and forth after Wakeup made this fine point, but I didn't really see an ANSWER from Kerwin. Kerwin, is the glory of the Father a “flesh glory”?  YES or NO? Also consider: Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being……… Exact representation?  Except for that the Father is a spirit being and the Son is a flesh being, right Kerwin?   Believe what you want.  You will anyway.

Mike,

I am not sure where wakeup or you are coming  from but I do not the back and forth between him and me was over a certain matter severe anti-intellectualism and how unhealthy I perceive it as being.

I know God created human being and saw that his creation was very good but I do not think that is what you mean when you ask if God's glory is a flesh glory.

God's great glory is to rescue those that can be rescued from sin.  

He also rescues the flesh that is alive in the last days less none survive.  That too is one of his glories but I consider it as nothing when compared to what I just called his great glory.

Am I warm to what you mean in any of these?

Jesus has chosen never to sin and has held himself holy and God has never sinned and is holy are the most important ways Jesus is like God.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,17:37)

Mike, Thomas had not seen Jesus yet so why would he believe Jesus was walking around mortally wounded?  If you were to tell me a person was walking around alive after they were dead on three days then the last thing I would believe is that they still bore the wounds that killed them in the first place.

Kerwin,

Your mentality is so far removed from the mentality of normal people like Thomas and the rest of us.

They told Thomas that the VERY SAME Lord who had been speared had been raised from the dead.

And OBVIOUSLY Thomas assumed that they meant IN THE SAME BODY, and that is WHY he said he wouldn't believe it until he could put his hands into that spear wound.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 28 2013,17:50)

Am I warm to what you mean in any of these?

Coming with God's glory and God's angels means with bright lights, lightning bolts, thunder, trumpeter heralding, all kinds of supernatural and powerful displays, eyes of blazing fire, shooting fire out of mouths, etc.

When Moses asked to see God's glory, what did God show him? Beautiful and breathtaking supernatural sights? Or did God “rescue someone from sin” in front of Moses to show him His glory?

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