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Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,22:59) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Terra.A resurrected Body is glorified already.
wakeup.
WQuote A resurrected Body is glorified already. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES
IF YOU HAVE ANY
Terra.Quote
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES IF YOU HAVE ANYWhat happened to christ; how he was resurrected.
Will also happen to the dead in Christ.
At the coming: the living will be instantly changed
in a wink of an eye. (quickened).John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her,
***Touch me not; for I am **not yet ascended**
to my Father***:but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
John 20:19 ***Then the same day at evening***,
being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
wakeup.
wJn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
do you believe scriptures or Christ words
it seems notQuote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,10:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
Jesus was NOT glorified at His resurrection. He still had the holes in His flesh. Furthermore, Paul said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.Your flesh will rot.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 27 2013,03:30) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 22 2013,13:57) [ Jesus *HAD* to show himself in the flesh for his brothers to *witness* that it is *HE* whom the jews had crucified.
He indeed appeared to them in the flesh as he was,with all his wounds.
But not necessary his permanent body,with all the scars.
For the scripture says; you will be spirit,like the wind,like the angels.PS: The word *IT* was used,because a dead body is an *IT*
*IT* was sown.(the dead body was sown).wakeup.
Wakeup………First of all no scripture say Angels are Spirit beings, they are physical being who God has made the Spirits that are “IN” them. Saying he “HAD” to show himself as a flesh person is also an assumption on your part , no scriptures says that either, for one thing, that would be a deception on his part, if he did that anyway. It is this physical human being who will come and sit on the throne of His Father King David and rule from Jerusalem with the Physical Saints On this earth and it will have Physical Human being In that Kingdom also.To say flesh and blood can't go into the Kingdom of God is using that scripture wrongly, what Jesus was saying was that the Kingdom of God is a Spiritual Kingdom and Must be perceive Spiritually , but it is the Spirit that is IN these flesh Bodies we have that allows us to perceive that kingdom and inter it mentally. flesh and blood perceives nothing, because it is Just flesh and blood, a Body only, our bodies do not make up our complete thinking process the Spirit in these bodies that do that. God is a Spirit and we must perceive him in a Spiritual sense, not a physical one, in order to enter into his kingdom.
A physical resurrection is absolutely necessary if anyone is going to continue to live after they die, according to Paul and Jesus and all the apostles> If you doubt it go and read in Ezekiel at the valley of dead bones, where the resurrection is given in absolute detail.
A Living human Soul has a body Just as Genesis shows. Even Jesus said he was dead and now alive forever, and He said plainly, a “Spirit” did “NOT” have flesh and bone “AS HE HAD”. I think i will believe what Jesus said over what main stream false Christianity teaches.
Wakaeup, and yes the word “IT” was used, because a dead Body is an “IT” and “IT” (that dead body was sown in weakness) and “IT” (that dead Body) was “raised” in POWER. That is saying there is a “RESURRECTION of “IT” that dead BODY.
Wakeup, you have simply bought into the Lies of false religion that is and has been preached by the apostate churches, and infected Christianity sense the death of the apostles. IMO
peace and love…………………gene
Gene B.**Innocent** Adam and Eve were not created in heaven
But on earth,because they are created flesh.Angels are created in heaven,they are God's host.
Lucifer and his angels were also created in heaven.
Lucifer is not made of flesh.(dust).Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith,
***Who maketh his angels spirits***,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
(THERE IS NO NEED TO REPHRASE THIS SCRIPTURE).(KINGDOM OF GOD).
You are saying that we all believers are in the kingdom.
This is *contradicting* the prayer Jesus taught us.
THY **KINGDOM COME**;
THY WILL BE DONE
**ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN**
The kingdom is coming and will be on earth,in JERUSALEM.
***********The valley of the dead bones in Ez.37 is the bringing back of the jews to their own land. The remnants of the jews; of all generations will be revived. All according to choice.
Jer 23:3–8. Isaiah 10:20–22 Rom 9:27.
The gentiles will be resurrected first; and the jews will be resurrected in the 2nd resurrection.Isaiah.11. and 65. the jews are in the flesh and they still DIE.
Death has not been conquered untill satan and his angels
are cast into the fire during the battle of Gog and magog.wakeup.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,23:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,10:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
Jesus was NOT glorified at His resurrection. He still had the holes in His flesh. Furthermore, Paul said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.Your flesh will rot.
Kangaroo Jack,Jesus probably did not have holes in his flesh though the Koine Greek does allow for that dramatic translation. It also also allows for the less dramatic translation of “onto the prints” and “onto his side”.
John 20:24-25
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
So does it seem more reasonable to you that the criteria Thomas gave to verify Jesus was who he said was to see the marks in his hands and touch his side or to view and insert his hand into the unhealed wounds?
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,04:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,22:59) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 27 2013,01:24) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 26 2013,11:29) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
wChrist could only be glorified by his God and father within his presence and the presence of the assembly of angel ,because his father let him sit on his throne with him ,this was not done at the resurrection on earth ,
Jn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
Terra.A resurrected Body is glorified already.
wakeup.
WQuote A resurrected Body is glorified already. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES
IF YOU HAVE ANY
Terra.Quote
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHRIST ;SO LET SEE YOUR SUPPORTING SCRIPTURES IF YOU HAVE ANYWhat happened to christ; how he was resurrected.
Will also happen to the dead in Christ.
At the coming: the living will be instantly changed
in a wink of an eye. (quickened).John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her,
***Touch me not; for I am **not yet ascended**
to my Father***:but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
John 20:19 ***Then the same day at evening***,
being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
wakeup.
wJn 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your PRESENCE with the glory I had with you before the world began.
do you believe scriptures or Christ words
it seems not
Terra.Did Jesus not present himself before his Father that same **morning** after he met with Mary?
Did he not come to see his brethren in **the evening**?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:04) Kerwin. You need to quote sriptures correctly,as not to sway your brothers.
The *life* is in the blood; not the soul.(Lev.17:11)
wakeup.
Wakeup,I am going by the actual Hebrew while you are going by the less literal choice of many English translators. Darby's is the only exception I have found in html online.
Leviticus 17:11
Darby Translation (DARBY)11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,05:44) Kangaroo Jack, Jesus probably did not have holes in his flesh though the Koine Greek does allow for that dramatic translation. It also also allows for the less dramatic translation of “onto the prints” and “onto his side”.
John 20:24-25
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
So does it seem more reasonable to you that the criteria Thomas gave to verify Jesus was who he said was to see the marks in his hands and touch his side or to view and insert his hand into the unhealed wounds?
Kerwin,
Jesus indeed still had the holes in his flesh.
First, flesh does not close up in three days. Furthermore, a dead body cannot heal.
Second, the narrative suggests that He still had the open holes for Thomas THRUST his hand INTO His side.
Third, His body had to be raised exactly the same or some could have said that there was tampering and that His resurrection was a hoax.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,04:51) Lucifer and his angels were also created in heaven.
Lucifer is not made of flesh.(dust).
Lucifer was a man (the king of Babylon).Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,06:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:04) Kerwin. You need to quote sriptures correctly,as not to sway your brothers.
The *life* is in the blood; not the soul.(Lev.17:11)
wakeup.
Wakeup,I am going by the actual Hebrew while you are going by the less literal choice of many English translators. Darby's is the only exception I have found in html online.
Leviticus 17:11
Darby Translation (DARBY)11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
Kerwin.Animal sacrifices was the atonement for the souls
of them that sacrifice.
The life is in the blood;not the soul.
Jesus blood was spilt on the ground.
His soul was not spilt on the ground.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:35) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,06:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:04) Kerwin. You need to quote sriptures correctly,as not to sway your brothers.
The *life* is in the blood; not the soul.(Lev.17:11)
wakeup.
Wakeup,I am going by the actual Hebrew while you are going by the less literal choice of many English translators. Darby's is the only exception I have found in html online.
Leviticus 17:11
Darby Translation (DARBY)11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
Kerwin.Animal sacrifices was the atonement for the souls
of them that sacrifice.
The life is in the blood;not the soul.
Jesus blood was spilt on the ground.
His soul was not spilt on the ground.wakeup.
Wakeup,You have a problem as “soul is in the blood” is a more literal translation and makes the case a soul is exchanged for a soul. Using the phrase “life is in” looses some but in the translation but even that would have been remedied to a degree if the translators had translated both forms of “nephesh” to life. But for understanding certain passages in 1 Corinthians 15, Darby's is still the better English translation of Leviticus 17:11.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 27 2013,04:31) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,10:31) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,10:18) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 06 2013,17:48) Sorry Kerwin,but your explanantion is no where in scripture.
It's all made up of thin air.
Jesus said:look *this is* flesh and bone indeed.
He did not say; this is **spirit flesh** indeed.
Or *I am* flesh and bone indeed.
You have made *spirit flesh* as your own interpretation.
Jesus was not glorified until He ascended into heaven. At that time He put off His flesh once and for all and assumed His permanent spiritual condition.
Hi kjack.I say that he was glorified at his resurrection.
And so will we be glorified at the resurrection.
He can appear and disappear at will.wakeup.
Jesus was NOT glorified at His resurrection. He still had the holes in His flesh. Furthermore, Paul said that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.Your flesh will rot.
Kjack.I never teach that he was resurrected in the flesh.
He was resurrected/quickened in spirit,and that same
monday *morning* went to see his Father.
and in the same monday *evening* went to visit his brethren.
(john 20:17–19).Angels are not made of *glorified dust*; but of spirit.
Flesh will rot; I agree:
The earth itself will be melted down.
And a new earth, **without any left overs of the wicked**
will be forever.wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 27 2013,06:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,04:51) Lucifer and his angels were also created in heaven.
Lucifer is not made of flesh.(dust).
Lucifer was a man (the king of Babylon).
Kjack.Lucifer was not a man,but ruled the king of babylon
and also all the kings of earth.Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
See also Isaiah 14:4–21.
Lucifer/satan ruled all the kings of the earth.wakeup.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,16:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2013,05:43) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2013,17:28) Mike, I assume you do realize partook means shared?
Yes Kerwin.Since the children were of flesh, the savior also had to partake of flesh (share our flesh nature).
He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and took on a much lesser form by sharing in our flesh nature.
Mike,Hebrews 2:14 states that both Jesus his brothers share flesh and blood and it implies that both parties share mortality……….
Yep. That is exactly what that passage teaches, Kerwin.Now, some of us will partake in divine nature, right? Does that mean we HAVE that divine nature already? Or will we take on a nature that is DIFFERENT to the nature we now have? It is the latter, right?
So, since the children were flesh, the savior also had to PARTAKE IN flesh.
That could mean that the savior had to be originally created as a flesh being……… OR……… that this savior existed with a DIFFERENT nature, and then PARTOOK in the flesh nature.
Either is possible. But Phil 2 tells us which one is right, because it clearly says Jesus was existing in one form BEFORE being made in the other, flesh form.
There are also many other scriptures that support this teaching, and your denial and twisting of them doesn't make them disappear.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 26 2013,12:44) Kangaroo Jack, Jesus probably did not have holes in his flesh though the Koine Greek does allow for that dramatic translation. It also also allows for the less dramatic translation of “onto the prints” and “onto his side”.
And what would those translations mean, Kerwin?Did Thomas stick his hand INTO the side of Jesus or not?
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 26 2013,13:21) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,04:51) Lucifer and his angels were also created in heaven.
Lucifer is not made of flesh.(dust).
Lucifer was a man (the king of Babylon).
I'm not convinced there is any person with the proper name “Lucifer”………… man or spirit.Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 27 2013,01:35) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,06:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 26 2013,05:04) Kerwin. You need to quote sriptures correctly,as not to sway your brothers.
The *life* is in the blood; not the soul.(Lev.17:11)
wakeup.
Wakeup,I am going by the actual Hebrew while you are going by the less literal choice of many English translators. Darby's is the only exception I have found in html online.
Leviticus 17:11
Darby Translation (DARBY)11 for the soul of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
Kerwin.Animal sacrifices was the atonement for the souls
of them that sacrifice.
The life is in the blood;not the soul.
Jesus blood was spilt on the ground.
His soul was not spilt on the ground.wakeup.
Wakeup,You have a problem as “soul is in the blood” is a more literal translation and makes the case a soul is exchanged for a soul. Using the phrase “life is in looses” some but in the translation but even that would have been remedied to a degree if the translators had translated both forms of “nephesh” to life. But for understanding certain passages in 1 Corinthians 15, Darby's is still the better English translation of Leviticus 17:11.
Kerwin.You have the right to choose,
according the spirit in you.wakeup.
Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Oct. 27 2013,01:15) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,05:44) Kangaroo Jack, Jesus probably did not have holes in his flesh though the Koine Greek does allow for that dramatic translation. It also also allows for the less dramatic translation of “onto the prints” and “onto his side”.
John 20:24-25
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
So does it seem more reasonable to you that the criteria Thomas gave to verify Jesus was who he said was to see the marks in his hands and touch his side or to view and insert his hand into the unhealed wounds?
Kerwin,
Jesus indeed still had the holes in his flesh.
First, flesh does not close up in three days. Furthermore, a dead body cannot heal.
Second, the narrative suggests that He still had the open holes for Thomas THRUST his hand INTO His side.
Third, His body had to be raised exactly the same or some could have said that there was tampering and that His resurrection was a hoax.
KJ,Your second and your first point rely on “en” being translated to “into” as opposed to “onto” a choice that many translators seem to have made based on which sounds more dramatic.
I chose to quote Thomas' words as opposed to Jesus' words to show how unlikely it is that a disciple who witnessed the many works of healing by Jesus would make those demands.
As to what you call your first point, Jesus did many works of healing and yet you do not think he could heal himself, even if the Spirit did not so when it resurrected him from the dead.
I am not sure where you are coming from with your third point as Scripture repeatedly makes the point Jesus was hard to recognize after his resurrection, which can be taken as more evidence of a hoax than the lack of miraculous healing would be. Acts tells us that he gave evidence he was alive; looking like a mortally wounded human does not give confidence he would remain that way.
I am challenging the traditional translation because no real justification for such an extraordinary claim.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2013,08:37) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 26 2013,12:44) Kangaroo Jack, Jesus probably did not have holes in his flesh though the Koine Greek does allow for that dramatic translation. It also also allows for the less dramatic translation of “onto the prints” and “onto his side”.
And what would those translations mean, Kerwin?Did Thomas stick his hand INTO the side of Jesus or not?
Mike,Thomas made the demand to see the marks of the nails on Jesus' “hands” and thrust his hand on Jesus side in order to verify it was Jesus. I have heard no reasonable grounds to believe otherwise.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2013,08:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,16:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2013,05:43) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2013,17:28) Mike, I assume you do realize partook means shared?
Yes Kerwin.Since the children were of flesh, the savior also had to partake of flesh (share our flesh nature).
He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and took on a much lesser form by sharing in our flesh nature.
Mike,Hebrews 2:14 states that both Jesus his brothers share flesh and blood and it implies that both parties share mortality……….
Yep. That is exactly what that passage teaches, Kerwin.Now, some of us will partake in divine nature, right? Does that mean we HAVE that divine nature already? Or will we take on a nature that is DIFFERENT to the nature we now have? It is the latter, right?
So, since the children were flesh, the savior also had to PARTAKE IN flesh.
That could mean that the savior had to be originally created as a flesh being……… OR……… that this savior existed with a DIFFERENT nature, and then PARTOOK in the flesh nature.
Either is possible. But Phil 2 tells us which one is right, because it clearly says Jesus was existing in one form BEFORE being made in the other, flesh form.
There are also many other scriptures that support this teaching, and your denial and twisting of them doesn't make them disappear.
Mike,I mostly agree with you in regards to Hebrews 2:14 but you subconsciously twist the meaning of Philippians 2 as a result of denying its actual meaning.
Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature but living by it is necessary to have the divine nature.
I am not on solid ground if I were to claim that having a Spiritual body is a way to partake of the divine nature in a different sense though some angels too have Spiritual bodies.
Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 27 2013,12:05) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 27 2013,08:32) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 25 2013,16:18) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 22 2013,05:43) Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2013,17:28) Mike, I assume you do realize partook means shared?
Yes Kerwin.Since the children were of flesh, the savior also had to partake of flesh (share our flesh nature).
He existed in the form of God, emptied himself, and took on a much lesser form by sharing in our flesh nature.
Mike,Hebrews 2:14 states that both Jesus his brothers share flesh and blood and it implies that both parties share mortality……….
Yep. That is exactly what that passage teaches, Kerwin.Now, some of us will partake in divine nature, right? Does that mean we HAVE that divine nature already? Or will we take on a nature that is DIFFERENT to the nature we now have? It is the latter, right?
So, since the children were flesh, the savior also had to PARTAKE IN flesh.
That could mean that the savior had to be originally created as a flesh being……… OR……… that this savior existed with a DIFFERENT nature, and then PARTOOK in the flesh nature.
Either is possible. But Phil 2 tells us which one is right, because it clearly says Jesus was existing in one form BEFORE being made in the other, flesh form.
There are also many other scriptures that support this teaching, and your denial and twisting of them doesn't make them disappear.
Mike,I mostly agree with you in regards to Hebrews 2:14 but you subconsciously twist the meaning of Philippians 2 as a result of denying its actual meaning.
Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature but living by it is necessary to have the divine nature.
I am not on solid ground if I were to claim that having a Spiritual body is a way to partake of the divine nature in a different sense though some angels too have Spiritual bodies.
kQuote Those that have the Holy Spirit have access to the divine nature any scripture for that statement
?
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