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You call scripture “speculation”? Try reading scripture, get rid of that “One eternal gospel for all” nonsense, it's non-biblical heresy that you try to teach! Hopefully, no one will be ensnared by it.
Nick…..Not true CO offered scripture, but you still refuse to see it. if He was speculating prove it to us , not just speculate yourself. WE all know who is going into the Kingdom or not at the first resurrection , but where does it say God will throw all the rest of His creation into a literal burning Fire and burn them up and watch them scream out into all eternity in agony and pain. Show us one Scripture the specifically say a loving God who told us even to love our enemies, will burn up His children who he created. Show it to us or the only thing we can say is YOU are the ONE doing the SPECULATING, not us.
peace………….gene
Thanks Gene, you describe how much error in thinking some have, and then try to convince others to follow this path.
Blessings, Jerry.
Chosenone ………..My hope that our brother Nick will get the balance on this, he has much to offer us all. We need to all Pray for one another, until we (ALL) come unto the UNITY of the Faith. I really believe Heaven Net is one of the best wed sites there is. People speak openly and honestly here.
God has given you a good understanding brother hold fast your crown awaits you, love and peace to you and your………gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 02 2008,19:59) CO,
Speculation is all you offer.
No man can build on that.
Greetings Nick The unfortunate fact is that, entire religions are based on speculative doctrine and ritualistic dogma…All of which have their roots in misinterpretation of scripture along with revision although subtle,of the original text..The only text that has maintained any level of integrity since its inception is the Torah….This is not to say or dismiss the validity of all scripture…It is appointed unto us all to prove all things…this can only be done through forums such as this and diligent study of the word….Hi TJ,
The torah is better preserved.
The wise storeman keeps what is old and what is new.
But by the plan of God the new reveals the old by the essential Spirit of God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2008,18:51) GB,
Why follow Jerry when Jesus awaits his servant's obedience?
NH.
No one, anywhere, at any time, said “follow Jerry”.This is another attempt by you, by implying a lie, to discredit me for something I never said.
I take this insult very seriously. If you are a man of God, you will appologise for this remark.I'll wait for the retraction of this lie.
Nick……..brother, you need to repent of so much accusing the brothers, I don't follow Jerry, you or anyone Here anywhere, Lets just sick with the debates and leave personal attacks out of this OK.
peace brother…………….gene
Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 08 2008,09:41) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2008,18:51) GB,
Why follow Jerry when Jesus awaits his servant's obedience?
NH.
No one, anywhere, at any time, said “follow Jerry”.This is another attempt by you, by implying a lie, to discredit me for something I never said.
I take this insult very seriously. If you are a man of God, you will appologise for this remark.I'll wait for the retraction of this lie.
NH.
Still waiting.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 30 2008,12:31) Nick……..Jesus taught salvation by obedience of the Law to the Jews, Paul taught we are saved by GRACE and that GRACE was NOT of the Law. When the rich young ruler came and ask him what must he do to inter the Kingdom of God< Jesus said keep the commandments and even listed some of them. But Paul said by obedience of the Law no Flesh will be Justified before GOD. What do you do with those words then. I believe Jesus was speaking to those who were Israelites still under the Law, because the New Testament church had not started yet, it did not start until the day of Pentecost. When God's Spirit was Poured out. Paul was sent as a messenger of the new covenant While Jesus was sent to the circumcision or Israel. I know there are overlapping principles that apply to Both Jesus and Paul. They certainly were not against each other but i don't think CO intentions were they were against each other either.
love and peace brother…………..gene
John 6:28-29 (ESV) 28 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”there is one gospel throughout the scriptures, from the OT prophets, to Jesus, to Paul…. people who are saved are saved in the same way… by faith in the Messiah… granted, people in the days of the OT did not have as complete a picture of the Messiah as we do today, nonetheless, they were saved by looking to Him…. and are thus saved by grace through faith… see Hebrews 11 for instance… and remember, there were no chapter divisions in the bible until much later….so it is interesting to me to note that the author/founder of the faith of all these great men and women of God from the OT was none other than Jesus Himself:
Hebrews 12:1-2 (ESV) 1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
That alone proves His divinity and His deity….
blessings,
kenHi E,
Was he our God or was our and his God in him?2 Corinthians 5:19
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.HI,
Why is it that men love treating their own speculations as being the equivalent of what is written?
Adding human logic turns truth into unwise speculation.
Romans 1:21
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 31 2009,18:10) HI,
Why is it that men love treating their own speculations as being the equivalent of what is written?
Adding human logic turns truth into unwise speculation.
Romans 1:21
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Hi Nick,
What are you referring to?
LUHi LU,
Would it not be wonderful if folks were really interested in finding truth from Scripture
but instead many bring their own works to put on show.
Speculations not supported should be put asideHi Nick,
I don't know what specifically you are talking about but I don't think that we should discourage people from presenting their ideas/speculations as a theory. I agree that it is a problem when they lean on their understanding and not open to testing it. This is a good forum to share thoughts so others can challenge them and sharpen them.
Great things can come from speculation. Frank Peretti told me once, “Never lose your sense of wonder.”
LUYes well said.
As you said, we judge each other on such things and that tests or sharpens what we think.
Scripture is also the acid test in that if it doesn't agree, then it is not worth pursuing. Unless of course there is reason to doubt the scripture is correctly translated or should be there at all.
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