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I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm not too sure what I can believe.
Firstly I know about the gift of speaking in tongues as we've read about in the Word.
Now as Jude 20 tells us, to pray in the Spirit, is that praying in tongues? And why do we call it praying in tongues if the word doesn't? Why don't we just call it praying in the Spirit?
And what is it supposed to be, I cannot remember the verse, maybe some of you can quote it about the Holy Spirit interceding for/through us with groanings that cannot be uttered? Is this praying in the Spirit? If this is true, then does that negate the normal everyday “Praying in tongues”?
Thanks for any light shed
Tertius – WELCOME!
May I suggest that you read some of the established threads on this topic. I will “bump” a thread for you – look for it under the “New Posts”. There are some good entries and discussions there.
Mandy
Everyone believes something different on this topic as well.
I believe that some people take the Holy Spirit and the speaking in tongues for granted sometimes.
1 Cor 12:30
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?Heres a good read on the matter:
1 Corinthians 14
1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40Let all things be done decently and in order.
couple that with this:
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
And you'll wind up with a good idea of what I believe. ATM. Some people I believe go around thinking everyone has to talk in tongues all the time. To the point that some people actually “FAKE” talking in tongues just to get the “MONKEY” off their back about it. These type of people would sooner drive more people away from GOD than they would bring to him.
Also, about praying in tongues…if your instructed not to pray out in the open where you would have people see that “You can pray and know how to pray” Obviously…the same applies with praying in the spirit as well…at least I would think. For GOD sees what you do in secret. And he will reward you in the open.
But man would rather have people see what he would otherwise do in secret….so that he can have a reward of men. Another, thing man usually do out in the open is when they Just go to Church on Sunday morning …so that their neighborhood can see that they believe in GOD and go to church…so they might be able to profess that they are “GOOD” people. Then the rest of the week they could care less about GOD.I was wondering what you view is on tithing. I totally agree you view on Oneness and Trinity. also what do you think on the topic of tongues.
Jesus nor the Apostles promoted tithing. They taught about the importance of giving but also paying your debts so as to be debt-free. In this day in age that is nearly impossible for most who own a home, but to be debt-free as much as you can is best.
We are told that each person should give that which they decide in their heart and we are told to give to support ministries that are in true service to the Kingdom as well as family in need, and of course the poor.
It doesn’t have to be a consistent amount each week either. If you see a need and you are able to fulfill it or help, then do so.
God loves a cheerful giver. If we give under compulsion, then there is no reward. If we give out of love and goodness then we receive reward for our works. Jesus said, “a glass of water given in my name shall not lose its reward”.On the topic of tongues, well that is a legitimate expression of the Holy Spirit in us. It is not a sure way to recognise the Spirit however. Paul teaches that we should not speak this in public unless there is interpretation so as to give the mind understanding. However, many denominations practice speaking in tongues in public. His reason is that someone might hear and think they were mad. Funny thing is that happened to me. When I first began to believe, I sought out a Church to attend. I went to one particular one and all I heard was the congregation speaking in tongues. It sounded crazy to me and I didn’t enter that place.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
How can one that does not believe hear if it is not done in a public place. I walked into a church some 30 years ago not really looking for God but just trying to please a backslidden girl friend that keep trying to get me to go to church. Well it was one of those Pentecostal tongue talking jumping and shouting church’s, at first it was a little scary but a very strong presents of God was in that place and before I knew it I was at the alter pouring out my life to God. six months later I was at the alter praying for the infilling of the holy spirit and bam boy did he fill me from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet Jo unspeakable and full of glory. And I began to speak in tongues, all I can say is it is real and it is for every one. there are two types of tongues one for self edification. and the one that is interpreted to edify the church this is the most important one. 1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. but I do understand where the tongues thing is abused and have given it a bad name.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
its not the tongues we seek but the infilling of the holy spirit that we seek after… Amen
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