Source of life?

[SimplyForgiven]

I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life.

But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews.

Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since.

ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life,

But specfically,
IS Jesus the source of life?

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

[davidbfun]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13)

I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Hello SF,

The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).  

Then THRU God's son, everything else was created.

For a twist other than the obvious stated above:

“WATER” is the source of life on this planet:

2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

What irony:  Source of life; Source of death.

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 07 2010,12:42)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor

Hello All;

Before we get off to another topic “created” in my previous post refers to the “procreation” of a “son”.

The Professor

[RokkaMan]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 07 2010,04:46)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 07 2010,12:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor Hello All; Before we get off to another topic “created” in my previous post refers to the “procreation” of a “son”. The Professor

To be a son or father are simply roles.

Roles that are established through relationship.

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If God was alone completely, he could not be a father or son because he has no relationship to anyone or anything.

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but since God is the source of all things,
he always was a son/father….

Now God is not a man, he is a spirit…
so the question is, what does it mean to be a father )especially in spirit)?

To be a father you have to have children.

If his child was The Word of God…The Word of God has always been a Son to him.

So what does it mean to be a Son…

A child/son comes from the flesh of his parents and is subject to his parents.

The Word of God being God's communication, came from God, was and always is subject to him.

but it is clear that The Word of God is not seperate from God…so it'd be silly to try and compare God with himself.

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All in all, through critical analysis it would seem that The Son of God is also God The Son.

This doesn't support a trinity, but better supports Jesus as God himself in flesh.

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It also supports that God redeemed his children with his own blood, and also supports Jesus' own divinity claims to being God.

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For Jesus to be the firstborn of every creature…to me….personally sounds like attributing Jesus to being The Word of God.

We know The Word of God is not a creature but a spirit in which all things came from…

Jesus being a man, was a creature when he was man.

So to say Jesus is the firstborn of all creatures…sounds like the conjoining concepts of The Word of God (in which all things came) manifesting as or in The man/creature, Jesus Christ.

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,22:42)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor

First:
It does not say he was the first thing created by God
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
IT says he was firstborn of every creature not creation.
It does not say that Jesus was created, it just says he was first. in other words the BEGINNING, and the End.
Water is never said to be created.
Which is always debatable, never thought about what position i was going to take on that.

Jesus is said to be our lord and savoir but also our Judge.
The very same irony.

[Arnold]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 09 2010,19:31)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,22:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor First: It does not say he was the first thing created by God 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: IT says he was firstborn of every creature not creation. It does not say that Jesus was created, it just says he was first. in other words the BEGINNING, and the End. Water is never said to be created. Which is always debatable, never thought  about what position i was going to take on that. Jesus is said to be our lord and savoir but also our Judge. The very same irony.

Is the “creature” not part of the “creation”?

Georg

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 12 2010,23:44)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 09 2010,19:31) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,22:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor First: It does not say he was the first thing created by God 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: IT says he was firstborn of every creature not creation. It does not say that Jesus was created, it just says he was first. in other words the BEGINNING, and the End. Water is never said to be created. Which is always debatable, never thought  about what position i was going to take on that. Jesus is said to be our lord and savoir but also our Judge. The very same irony. Is the “creature” not part of the “creation”? Georg

is Earth and Heaven creatures?

[terraricca]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 13 2010,21:00)

Quote (Arnold @ Aug. 12 2010,23:44) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 09 2010,19:31) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,22:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 07 2010,02:13) I have seen many claiming that God the Father Jehovah is the source of life. But there are others as myself and Kj, which i think i saw him mention in the debate with Mike, that Jesus is a source of life according to hebrews. Of course since we believe that God and Jesus are the same role in a since. ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life? John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. Hello SF, The “Source” obviously must be God, who created the son of God first (Col  1:15).   Then THRU God's son, everything else was created. For a twist other than the obvious stated above: “WATER” is the source of life on this planet: 2Pe 3:5-6 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the “earth” was formed out of water and by water, (6) through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. What irony:  Source of life; Source of death. The Professor First: It does not say he was the first thing created by God 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: IT says he was firstborn of every creature not creation. It does not say that Jesus was created, it just says he was first. in other words the BEGINNING, and the End. Water is never said to be created. Which is always debatable, never thought  about what position i was going to take on that. Jesus is said to be our lord and savoir but also our Judge. The very same irony. Is the “creature” not part of the “creation”? Georg is Earth and Heaven  creatures?

hi

could you spell anything that as no live in it??

Pierre

[Proclaimer]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 06 2010,18:13)

ITs a no brainer that its God, who is the source of life, But specfically, IS Jesus the source of life?

I think you can look at it like this.

Is Adam the source of Eve?
Yes he is.

But God is the source of Adam, and he is the Father of all.

[GeneBalthrop]

To All……….the simple fact is the GOD the Father (ALONE) is the source of (ALL) life the has (EVER) existed both Now and forever. He live (IN) his creation giving it life and sustaining it. Apart from Him there is (NO) life.
even those who walk in disobedience to Him are still Kept alive by Him. If he were to retract His Spirit (ALL) would die and never exist again. We only exist because we have (BOTH) a BODY and Spirit (IN) it. Remove either one and you no longer exist. Neither would Jesus continue to exist without a body with spirit in it also. The only one who can exist outside a Body is GOD Himself. It is crucial we all attain unto a resurrection of a Body and Have Spirit added back into it , in order to continue to exist. Jesus exists now (with) a Body and Spirit in it, he Now exist as an eternal Living Soul. IMO

peace and love to you all………………………gene

[GeneBalthrop]

To All………Our life is like a light in a House it is God's Spirit that is the source of Power in the house, if he turns off the light at the source the light go out and no longer exists. Even so with us if GOD retracts the Spirit (the source of power) the body is useless and dies because life no longer exist in it. Just as the Light switch when the power turned off that kills the light in the room it no longer exists.The light bulb is useless if there is no electric feeding it. So are we if the Spirit is not giving us our light or thoughts then we cease to exist. Just as electricity always returns its source so does the Spirit of GOD. It goes back to him who generates it in the first place. Jesus said “If that light in you be darkness how great is that darkness, another word like a variable light switch how great is that light in the room is it just dim or bright that varies from person to Person. IMO

peace and love to you all……………….gene

[davidbfun]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,11:39)

To All………Our life is like a light in a House it is God's Spirit that is the source of Power in the house, if he turns off the light at the source the light go out and no longer exists. Even so with us if GOD retracts the Spirit (the source of power) the body is useless and dies because life no longer exist in it. Just as the Light switch when the power turned off that kills the light in the room it no longer exists.The light bulb is useless if there is no electric feeding it. So are we if the Spirit is not giving us our light or thoughts then we cease to exist. Just as electricity always returns its source so does the Spirit of GOD. It goes back to him who generates it in the first place.  Jesus said “If that light in you be darkness how great is that darkness, another word like a variable light switch how great is that light in the room is it just dim or bright that varies from person to Person. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene

Hi Gene,

“Light” is fairly close to the word “Life”. God is the source of all things including Light. However, thru God's son was everything else created and God's son is what holds everything together..

The Professor

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,04:51)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,11:39) To All………Our life is like a light in a House it is God's Spirit that is the source of Power in the house, if he turns off the light at the source the light go out and no longer exists. Even so with us if GOD retracts the Spirit (the source of power) the body is useless and dies because life no longer exist in it. Just as the Light switch when the power turned off that kills the light in the room it no longer exists.The light bulb is useless if there is no electric feeding it. So are we if the Spirit is not giving us our light or thoughts then we cease to exist. Just as electricity always returns its source so does the Spirit of GOD. It goes back to him who generates it in the first place.  Jesus said “If that light in you be darkness how great is that darkness, another word like a variable light switch how great is that light in the room is it just dim or bright that varies from person to Person. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene Hi Gene, “Light” is fairly close to the word “Life”.  God is the source of all things including Light.  However, thru God's son was  everything else created and God's son is what holds everything together.. The Professor

you say there is a source to Light? are u sure about that?
When God in Revelations expresses himself being THE light, as he is also THE love in 1 john 4:8

1 timonthy 6:15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Honsetly asking, who is dwelling in the LIGHT, that no one can apporach?

[davidbfun]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 22 2010,17:32)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,04:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,11:39) To All………Our life is like a light in a House it is God's Spirit that is the source of Power in the house, if he turns off the light at the source the light go out and no longer exists. Even so with us if GOD retracts the Spirit (the source of power) the body is useless and dies because life no longer exist in it. Just as the Light switch when the power turned off that kills the light in the room it no longer exists.The light bulb is useless if there is no electric feeding it. So are we if the Spirit is not giving us our light or thoughts then we cease to exist. Just as electricity always returns its source so does the Spirit of GOD. It goes back to him who generates it in the first place.  Jesus said “If that light in you be darkness how great is that darkness, another word like a variable light switch how great is that light in the room is it just dim or bright that varies from person to Person. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene Hi Gene, “Light” is fairly close to the word “Life”.  God is the source of all things including Light.  However, thru God's son was  everything else created and God's son is what holds everything together.. The Professor you say there is a source to Light? are u sure about that? When God in Revelations expresses himself being THE light, as he is also THE love in 1 john 4:8 1 timonthy 6:15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;   16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Honsetly asking, who is dwelling in the LIGHT, that no one can apporach?

Jesus…

[GeneBalthrop]

To all……….Psa 119:130…..> The entrance of thy words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple.

peace and love o you all…………………….gene

[davidbfun]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 23 2010,11:17)

To all……….Psa 119:130…..> The entrance of thy words gives light; it gives understanding unto the simple. peace and love o you all…………………….gene

Mat 21:25 “The baptism of John was from what source, from heaven or from men?” And they began reasoning among themselves, saying, “If we say, 'From heaven,' He will say to us, 'Then why did you not believe him?'

Hbr 5:9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,20:45)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 22 2010,17:32) Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,04:51) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 16 2010,11:39) To All………Our life is like a light in a House it is God's Spirit that is the source of Power in the house, if he turns off the light at the source the light go out and no longer exists. Even so with us if GOD retracts the Spirit (the source of power) the body is useless and dies because life no longer exist in it. Just as the Light switch when the power turned off that kills the light in the room it no longer exists.The light bulb is useless if there is no electric feeding it. So are we if the Spirit is not giving us our light or thoughts then we cease to exist. Just as electricity always returns its source so does the Spirit of GOD. It goes back to him who generates it in the first place.  Jesus said “If that light in you be darkness how great is that darkness, another word like a variable light switch how great is that light in the room is it just dim or bright that varies from person to Person. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene Hi Gene, “Light” is fairly close to the word “Life”.  God is the source of all things including Light.  However, thru God's son was  everything else created and God's son is what holds everything together.. The Professor you say there is a source to Light? are u sure about that? When God in Revelations expresses himself being THE light, as he is also THE love in 1 john 4:8 1 timonthy 6:15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;   16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Honsetly asking, who is dwelling in the LIGHT, that no one can apporach? Jesus…

and the previos refers to who on 15?

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 15 2010,21:39)

To All………Our life is like a light in a House it is God's Spirit that is the source of Power in the house, if he turns off the light at the source the light go out and no longer exists. Even so with us if GOD retracts the Spirit (the source of power) the body is useless and dies because life no longer exist in it. Just as the Light switch when the power turned off that kills the light in the room it no longer exists.The light bulb is useless if there is no electric feeding it. So are we if the Spirit is not giving us our light or thoughts then we cease to exist. Just as electricity always returns its source so does the Spirit of GOD. It goes back to him who generates it in the first place.  Jesus said “If that light in you be darkness how great is that darkness, another word like a variable light switch how great is that light in the room is it just dim or bright that varies from person to Person. IMO peace and love to you all……………….gene

Gene,
If we have Jesus since, he is the way, than we have the father correct?
but what if someone does not have God?
arnt they the walking dead?
yet they have general life, but are without eternal life, since they are without Jesus.

The scripture you mentioned, you cut it off. lets not do that. Jesus was refering to the body, and how the eye is the light of the body, but if the eye was sick, wounded, or shut, or what not, than how great the darkness would be. maybe you used your scripture incorrectly. But i get your point. but Jesus spoke of a totality of darkness of the eyes were evil, since if we are talking about anatomy, the eyes are the only light in the body, if they were evil, than there is no light.

Therefore, if you were to think about it, someone without God, would inturn be the walking dead. because they live generally, but there souls are without the living water, without God.

Matthew 6:22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 22 2010,09:32)

you say there is a source to Light? are u sure about that? When God in Revelations expresses himself being THE light, as he is also THE love in 1 john 4:8 1 timonthy 6:15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;   16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Honsetly asking, who is dwelling in the LIGHT, that no one can apporach?

Hi SF,

 (117)[יהוה האלהים] = “is the Light”(117) (Job 38:24 / John 12:35 / Rev.21:23)     
Genesis 1:3-4 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God
saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of (יהוה האלהים) him,
and declare unto you, that [God is the light], and in him is no darkness at all.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,19:41)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 22 2010,09:32) you say there is a source to Light? are u sure about that? When God in Revelations expresses himself being THE light, as he is also THE love in 1 john 4:8 1 timonthy 6:15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;   16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Honsetly asking, who is dwelling in the LIGHT, that no one can apporach? Hi SF,  (117)[יהוה האלהים] = “is the Light”(117) (Job 38:24 / John 12:35 / Rev.21:23)      Genesis 1:3-4 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of (יהוה האלהים) him, and declare unto you, that [God is the light], and in him is no darkness at all. Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

we know that Christ is the king of kings and the Lord of lords according to these scriptures. I dont know if you disagree.

but first 15 starts by saying that in “His” time he will show….etc.
So is he showing someone else, or demonstrating him self?
and if its for himself, does that make him blessed and only Potentate,

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS

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