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Jodi….perfect sis, you have presented the truth, concerning Jesus our lord. All those who have the spirit of truth should be able to reconize it in what you have posted.
Let me interpret the above.
Finally, someone agrees with my doctrine which is truth and by extention must be from the Spirit.
Hi Anthony,
Yes. If your mind is bound to literalism you would think that.
But scripture is spiritual and prophetic.
So Nick’s teaching is above what Anthony and myself merely quote and must also be above the heavenly messenger that God sent to the City of David. Wow, we must be in the presence of such a great man that he can even correct a heavenly messenger. It is also possible that Nick is deluded on this point however
What do others think?
- Nick corrected a heavenly angel because while lower than the angels for a time, he is so great despite that, his truth is greater.
- Nick is deluded and the angel is correct, that Jesus was the Christ when he was born.
Forced to choose, I go for 2). What about you, 1 or 2?
Hi T8,
No but your lack of understanding of the prophetic word cripples your growth.
You even look for enemies among your friends.
Nick, you constantly attack people who do not agree saying they lack the Spirit and you and have done for years. Certainly it is love that shows a man is born from above, so I don’t think people are going to believe that you have the Spirit of God and they do not. But when you make out you are the victim, just know that you are a victim of yourself. Your strange doctrines are not going to convince many that you are true, rather most will likely side with scripture as the inner witness of the Spirit will do. Of course you are free to teach as you see fit but we are free to judge the teaching too using scripture. Do not act all surprised and be offended when this happens.
Hold firmly to the truth, encourage by sound doctrine, & refute those who oppose it.
See that. Scripture can encourage the faithful but can also seem like an attack when you oppose it. A refutation is if you are able to see it an opportunity to learn.
Hi t8,
Your literalist view of scripture allows your mind to be in control.
Be brave and take a chance by listening to the Spirit.
The Spirit must control your life.
Gal5
T8…..”if that light in you be darkness, how great is that darkness?
If Jesus was born a baptized being (christo’s) then why did he have to be rebaptized by John later at the Jordan? Why did he do no mircales or preaching about the kingdom of God before his baptizm and anointing at Jordan? Why was he not tested until he was baptized?,
Why did Jesus need to be anointed twice?
Why have you never answered any of these question? Does it destory your view of what the Angel meant which has been explained to you clearly, but you rejected that truth. But never answered the questions presented to you. Why not try to answer them first, they may correct you wrong views.
T8…. , and those who are guided by the spirit of truth do see most things alike, because the spirit reveals it to them.
Peace and love to you and yours ……..gene
Hi t8,
I hope you will answer Gene’s questions.
What you are telling us is that it is falsehood to reference someone calling them what they are according to the future that has been revealed in prophecy.
According to you t8, even though the child went forth and fulfilled prophecy exactly how it was told by David, Isaiah and Jeremiah, we are not to read passages concerning the child in knowledge of prophecy.
The infant can’t be referred to AS WHO HE IS ACCORDING to prophecy, that’s a big no, no, it’s falsehood according to you.
According to you t8, one knows the future of a child, it has been written, it is God’s word, but it is falsehood to reference the child and call him according to that which he is to fulfill. If such a person called the infant “King of kings”, then at that very moment the infant is literally king, nothing to do with him being called that because we know the future, that he is returning to earth and establishing God’s kingdom. NO, we call the infant King of kings because at that very moment that he was called such he was such. We cannot refer to him as someone according to who he is going to be, ONLY who he is actually at that moment, according to you. Such is NONESENSE and unscriptural.
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
In order for Jesus to be the Lamb of God he had to be perfected first, of which occurred AFTER John spoke those words.
Jesus was in fact NOT yet the Lamb of God when John CALLED Jesus the Lamb of God, he was referencing him according to who he is according to his future when he would be perfected. The very same referencing occurred when the angel said “this day is born a savior.
We know that the infant had to grow in grace and wisdom and had to be perfected first to be the sacrificial lamb, and that is how we are saved.
The angel called Jesus a savior referencing him according to who he is according to prophecy. That is just a simple fact. Not only was the Lamb made perfect and then died becoming our savior, having been referenced as our savior before he actually fulfilled such, we also have after the angel spoke, the ACCOUNT of the day Jesus was ANOINTED. The angel said this day a savior is born who is Christ the Lord. At that moment the angel was not declaring that the infant was a master or anointed, he was referencing the child according to who he is according to his future. This is EXACTLY why we actually are given the VERY account of his ANOINTING which took place about 30 years later.
t8,
Jesus was perfected and died on the cross, SAVING us from our sins. Before such occurred Jesus was called our Savior and the Lamb of God.
Jesus was baptized at the river and anointed by the Spirit in full measure and power and was then sent out into the world to preach the Gospel and perform signs and miracles. Before such occurred Jesus was called the anointed.
This is exactly what happened, it is not FALSE to call someone according to WHO THEY ARE ACCORDING to their future. When you know the child’s future it is not falsehood to reference them according to the future. When you do so you honor God, you display your faith in Him, you believe in His word.
What are we told about God’s word by Isaiah, which you seem to be denying t8,
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
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14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. 15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
WHY don’t you apply God’s word t8? You refuse to comprehend that what God speaks is as if it already exists because it will without a doubt be fulfilled, what God says is TRUE before it even springs forth into occurring.
The angel, Simeon and John spoke of Jesus through the truth of God’s word. The infant Jesus was called Savior, Christ, Lord, and later the Lamb of God before such sprang forth concerning him, because God’s word is so TRUE it is as if it already exists.
Your literalist view of scripture allows your mind to be in control.
Be brave and take a chance by listening to the Spirit.
The Spirit must control your life.
Gal5
Nick, this is the rub. When angel says it, you are silent. When a person says it, you condemn and say the person lacks a spirit that you allude to having. However, we are told that people who deny Jesus is the Christ have a particular spirit alright, so you may be right about that. And you never or perhaps rarely say that this spirit is the Holy Spirit, rather just a spirit that leads a person to believe that Jesus was not the Christ when an angel said indeed he was.
I’m not making this stuff up, it is an accurate reporting of the facts.
Hi T8,
To say someone lacks Prophetic understanding is not to condemn them.
You are being too sensitive. Harden up.!!
T8……what Jodi, Nick, and I are telling you about this is true, are you afraid if you admit it, your whole house of cards might come crashing down? Better to admit the truth and readjust your thinking. , then to hold on to false hood .
Peace and love to you and yours. …………gene
Okay t8,
I could wait and see if you read my last post, however I just find myself needing to question you more.
Could you clarify for us your belief as to WHEN Jesus was anointed made the Christos, was it at his conception or when he took his first breath coming out of the womb, according to you? Could you clarify for us your belief as to WHEN Jesus was anointed made the Christos, was it at his conception or when he took his first breath coming out of the womb, according to you?
We have the words Chrio which means “to anoint” and we have Christos meaning “anointed”.
God was to chrio ” anoint” Jesus and make him the Christos “anointed”.
PLEASE ADDRESS this issue you have t8 with what you say verses what the scriptures tell us,
If you could be strait forward and address these below passages,
Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;
Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, AFTER the baptism which John preached; 38 How God anointed (chrio) Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him…Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness…14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about…18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Jesus was ANOINTED upon his baptism at the river being then FULL of the Holy Spirit and with Power being sent out to preach the good news/the gospel. This is exactly what the passages above tell us.
Do you deny Jesus’s own words declaring that he was anointed and sent, where he quotes Isaiah concerning himself? NOTICE t8 that he doesn’t speak saying he was already anointed at birth, but he QUOTES his anointing according to Isaiah. WHY do you think that is t8?
Jodi…..I don’t think T8, will answer any of our questions on this, because it weaken his position on the preexistence of Jesus. I believe that is what is behind his ignorance of them.
Peace and love to you and yours ……….gene
Hi T8,
Rev 19.10
For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.
Listen to Jesus and hear the Spirit.
Then attune your ears to the voice of the Spirit in the prophets and apostles.
Hi T8,
Man cannot live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
The words of Jesus Christ, the apostles and prophets are from the mouth of God.
Hello All,
Carmel had brought up a passage and I thought it appropriate to bring it up here.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Jesus forgives the sins of all, the very reason as to why he would preach the Gospel of God to even those in prison.
Jesus tells us directly that the Spirit was upon him, that he had been anointed and set out to, “preach deliverance to the captives”
Nothing about 1 Peter 3 speaks of Jesus preaching while he was dead. Nothing about this passage tells us that Jesus preached to dead people. The word spirit in verse 19 is speaking of the same spirit referenced in verse 4, which is a human’s spirit, a human who is alive, which Paul tells us it is our spirit that must be renewed. A spirit that as to what Peter says just prior would be a meek and quite spirit.
1 Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel; 4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptible apparel of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
Ephesians 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Being renewed in your mind means that you have a good conscience towards God, you have a repentant heart of your sins and belief that Christ washes your sins away.
Romans 11: 30 For as ye in time past were disobedient to God, but now have obtained mercy by their disobedience, 31 even so have these also now been disobedient, that by the mercy shown to you they also may now obtain mercy. 32 For God hath shut up all unto disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all.
Hence why it is said, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust”
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Jesus was anointed and sent to preach the Gospel of God, and he most certainly did to captives in prison renewing their spirits.
You: In order for Jesus to be the Lamb of God he had to be perfected first, of which occurred AFTER John spoke those words.
Jesus was in fact
NOT yet the Lamb of God when John CALLED Jesus the Lamb of God, he was referencing him according to who he is according to his future when he would be perfected.
Jodi, with every respect, you are
WRONG, WRONG, AND WRONG
the process of “THE WORD” Jesus, the Son of Man, as the lamb of God, commenced in the beginning of the world!
Jesus’ work of redemption AS THE LAMB OF GOD is PROCLAIMED in
Rev.13:8 And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb,
WHICH WAS SLAIN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
9 IF ANY MAN HAS AN EAR LET HIM HEAR.
Got it?
Jesus, AS A SPIRIT, “THE WORD” of God incarnate.
PRE-EXISTED, and was SLAIN LIKE A LAMB FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD.
AS A SPIRIT! SLAIN in
EVE’S HEART, IMMEDIATELY ON HER SIN in order to be born through her flesh in Cain’s heart, and AGAIN as a spirit in
MARY’S HEART, HIS MOTHER, FROM WHERE HE CREATED HER, IN ORDER TO BE BORN OF HER, and in
SATAN’S HEART IN ORDER TO REVEAL THE TRUTH, BY WHICH TRUTH JESUS ANNIHILATED SATAN’S WORK.
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost AS THE LAMB OF GOD. Otherwise, He would have come down from heaven like a meteorite.
Jesus was born AS THE LAMB OF GOD!
Jesus lived on earth AS THE LAMB OF GOD!
Jesus was massacred AS THE LAMB OF GOD!
Jesus died AS THE LAMB OF GOD!
You: In order for Jesus to be the Lamb of God he had to be perfected first,
Now with every respect again! You have a wrong concept regarding Jesus being perfected. The fact that
JESUS CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO PERFECT GOD’S WORK! Well asserted in
John4:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, that
I MAY PERFECT HIS WORK.
Can you distinguish the difference between Jesus being perfected, and Jesus to perfect God’s work?
Now did it occur to you that Jesus PERFECTED GOD’S WORK BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED! Confirmed by John the Baptist in
Matthew3:14 But John stayed him, saying:
I OUGHT TO BE BAPTIZED BY THEE,
and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said to him:
SUFFER IT TO BE SO NOW. Got it Jodi, Why Jesus answered in that mode?
For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice. Then he suffered him.
Jesus was already perfect at that moment in time He spoke those words! He was BAPTIZED in order to be MANIFESTED IN ISRAEL, and for God the Father to give TESTIMONY that Jesus is
THE SON OF GOD. ETERNALLY IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER.
John1:31 And I knew him not, but that he may be made MANIFEST in Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
ONE MORE THING:
Did it occur to you that Jesus WAS NOT PERFECT WHEN HE RESURRECTED?
SINCE ONLY GOD IS PERFECT? AND JESUS WAS NOT GOD WHEN HE RESURRECTED!
DESPITE HE WAS ALREADY REDEEMED HUMANITY.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
CARMEL…..So to you Jesus did not grow, in grace , and knowledge, He already was? Scripture disagrees with you. YOU ARE MIXING UP prophetic Language with things all ready happened. IT was God’s intention from the foundations of the earth, to bring forth (into existence) a perfected son a Lamb without blimish , as his sacrifice for the sins of the world. NOTICE I SAID “HIS” SACRIFICE, not JESUS’ SACRIFICE, but GOD THE FATHER’S SACRIFICE.
Now ask yourself what was God doing offering his own Son for a sacrifice , what does it mean to offer a sacrifice for sins, does it not mean, God the Father takes “responsibility” for “all” sin of the world? Even as t h e ancent Israelites took responsibility for their sins, by offering a sacrifice for them.
Don’t you think GOD the Father, could not have prevented “all” sin , if he wanted to? What he allows, he allows, he takes total responsibility and total glory for what he does AND allows. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
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