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Carmel,
Why do you not address scriptures that I give???
Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Carmel it’s not the preaching of code to be decoded, it is the preaching of the GOSPEL, the TRUTH of which brings glad tidings of good things, not words with a hidden message.
1 Timothy 2:7 Where unto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Paul IS a TEACHER Carmel, not one who is giving hidden messages PART of the TIME, where we then need you as our teacher to tell us the hidden meaning. PAUL IS OUR TEACHER, those of GOD BELIEVE that he is.
God GAVE Paul the Spirit so that he could SPEAK to us the TRUTH, TEACH us the TRUTH. God CALLS us to believe that he is true, God gives us the wisdom to know that he is the truth, God calls us revealing to us that Paul IS a TEACHER of TRUTH. So WHO IS the LIAR Carmel?
Carmel, it is TRULY HYPOCRITICAL for you to give me a passage to believe according to it’s given word, but then turn and tell me that when I believe another passage for it’s given word, I am only seeing it carnally, and you can teach me it’s spiritual meaning. Carmel, I will not pick and choose as you do, all scripture is presented as the given word of God that we are to believe as it is given. Paul WROTE that which was God’s WORD that God wanted us to be therefore TAUGHT by.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; where unto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Likewise Carmel, the apostles SPOKE as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and that which they spoke, unto those called by God they believed that which they heard. The apostles then WROTE it down so that others, called by God to believe, would hear their words and believe their written words are true.
Carmel, PAUL and other apostles at times did NOT give a CODE, that now we need you to reveal to us their secret meanings.
John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It IS WRITTEN, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Acts 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.
THE WORD was PREACHED, and that SAME WORD of TRUTH was WRITTEN. Those who are called by God BELIEVE in the truth that has been written.
Hi Carmel and All,
Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. 4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few. 5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. 6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; 7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus. 8 And they troubled the people and the rulers of the city, when they heard these things. 9 And when they had taken security of Jason, and of the other, they let them go. 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. 13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people. 14 And then immediately the brethren sent away Paul to go as it were to the sea: but Silas and Timotheus abode there still. 15 And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed. 16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20 For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21 (For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 BECAUSE HE hath appointed a day, in the which HE will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Carmel,
In this chapter you have Paul who spoke and people looked into the OT scriptures to verify what he was saying was TRUE. Paul spoke and then wrote for us the WORD OF GOD, as GOD had called him to PREACH it, to TEACH HIS WORD.
In this chapter you have GOD who made the world and all things therein. In HIM we LIVE, MOVE, and have OUR BEING. HE made of ONE BLOOD ALL NATIONS OF MEN FOR TO DWELL ON THE FACE OF EARTH, determining TIMES BEFORE APPOINTED, the bounds of their habitation.
In this chapter you have Jesus, a man who GOD ordained where GOD will judge the world IN RIGHTEOUSNESS through this man Jesus. God has given assurance to all men of this man that will judge in that HE raised this man from the dead.
THIS can certainly be verified in the scriptures,
Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: 2 And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; 3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? 10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God. 15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. 16 They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols. 17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. 24 Surely, shall one say, IN THE LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. 25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
In Acts 17 Paul’s words are directly verified by the words of the prophet Isaiah. GOD created earth and man, and He did so ALONE, there is no other GOD, no other Creator. God calls for repentance against idol worshiping. God has ordained a man from the nation of Israel of the tribe of Judah, the son of Jesse, to bring forth judgement. IN the LORD our God this man has righteousness and strength as the LORD raised him up in righteousness and had promised to direct all his ways so that he would deliver God’s captives.
Furthermore as God made all nations of men from one blood for to dwell on the face of the earth, He did not do so in vein, but for it to be inhabited. The people will worship him, every knee shall bow unto his Maker, as a just God and Savior, where there is none besides Him.
As WELL, this WORD from our Maker who called a man to righteousness to direct all his ways to deliver His captives, so that all that He made would not be made in vein, He had declared such from ancient times, before the world even was. The promise of the man that would be directed by our Maker in all his ways so to deliver captives, was the WORD since the beginning, where all things our MAKER made by reason of and for him.
BUT THERE IS MORE, Paul’s words of God are not just verified in the above but likewise they are the words of Isaiah 9, 22, 42, 61 AND Isaiah 53,
We are told that we have assurance that a man has been ordained by our MAKER (THE ONLY TRUE GOD where there is NONE besides Him) to judge the world in righteousness BECAUSE our MAKER has raised him from the dead.
Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Carmel, THIS IS ALL THE WORD OF GOD GIVEN to BELIEVE, there are no hidden messages where I need you to tell me what it is suppose to mean. May God give you of His Spirit so He can reveal unto you that these words are His and they are TRUE, so that you can be WISE enough to believe these words are true.
Jodi……Right on sis, hold FAST TO WHAT THE LORD HAS and IS SHOWN YOU.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
When the blind lead the blind they fall into a ditch and sometimes even pat each other on the back.
Who agrees that this happens sometimes?
T8……I am sure the pharisees said the samething about Jesus and the deciples, and even worse . But wisdom is justified by her children.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Good Morning t8,
Yes that definitely happens sometimes, were the blind lead the blind and pat each other on the back, of course I don’t believe this applies to Gene or I, but I do agree with your statement.
One with any reason would assume that your comment is applied to Gene and I.
With that being said, you have also commented that you don’t read my long posts. Am I to believe that you actually read my last post?
Or is your accusation of my blindness in regards to that post based on an assumption on your part, because you didn’t actually read it?
Hi All,
Accusing someone of being blind based on an assumption, leads you down the road of slander, being a diabolos, devil.
If what they said was actually of blindness, though you don’t know that for sure as you didn’t actually read what they said, God knows however, so I guess you’d be lucky this time, you’ve escaped, you’re off the hook. However I don’t think God approves either way, I don’t think He approves of someone making claims to a person being blind, when that person is knowingly in the dark to what the person said.
One thing to be blind and speak, another thing entirely to be blind and speak with accusations to that which you know you are blind of.
Hi All,
I believe this is ACCURATE, if not please have the courtesy to show where it is not.
In regards to Acts 17,
In this chapter you have Paul who spoke and people looked into the OT scriptures to verify what he was saying was TRUE. Paul spoke and then wrote for us the WORD OF GOD, as GOD had called him to PREACH it, to TEACH HIS WORD.
In this chapter you have GOD who made the world and all things therein. In HIM we LIVE, MOVE, and have OUR BEING. HE made of ONE BLOOD ALL NATIONS OF MEN FOR TO DWELL ON THE FACE OF EARTH, determining TIMES BEFORE APPOINTED, the bounds of their habitation.
In this chapter you have Jesus, a man who GOD ordained where GOD will judge the world IN RIGHTEOUSNESS through this man Jesus. God has given assurance to all men of this man that will judge in that HE raised this man from the dead.
Thanks, Jodi
Hello All,
I believe this is ACCURATE, if not please have the courtesy to show where it is not.
In Acts 17 Paul’s words are directly verified by the words of the prophet Isaiah. GOD created earth and man, and He did so ALONE, there is no other GOD, no other Creator. God calls for repentance against idol worshiping. God has ordained a man from the nation of Israel of the tribe of Judah, the son of Jesse, to bring forth judgement. IN the LORD our God this man has righteousness and strength as the LORD raised him up in righteousness and had promised to direct all his ways so that he would deliver God’s captives.
Thanks, Jodi
One with any reason would assume that your comment is applied to Gene and I.
I posted it for consideration, yes.
With that being said, you have also commented that you don’t read my long posts. Am I to believe that you actually read my last post?
Or is your accusation of my blindness in regards to that post based on an assumption on your part, because you didn’t actually read it?
I reply to things I have read. It’s too difficult to reply to things I have not read.
My accusation as you put it are based on the scriptures you guys either ignore or negate. These are my observations.
There are a whole host of verses that go against what you are teaching. Basically what I see is you and Gene repeatedly saying that this scripture doesn’t really say that because this other scripture negates that scripture and so must be read in a different way and here is the way that it should be read based on what fits my theology.
Whereas, an honest person who can answer yes or no and handle righteous and rigorous investigation into what they believe also reads the scriptures and believes them. Eventually through that belief, a clear picture emerges with no contradiction.
I am against those who start with a picture and then force scripture into it and attack scripture that opposes it. And why do that anyway. It won’t end well will it and a wise person thinks about the end.
Hi Jodi,
YOU: God also chose people, giving them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation so
that they would believe
in the WORD spoken by the prophets, spoken by Jesus, spoken by the apostles.
ME: LIES, LIES, and LIES!
PRODUCE SCRIPTURE WHICH SAYS SO JODI! TILL THEN
LIES, LIES, and LIES.
the Spirit of Wisdom and of Revelation IT IS GIVEN IN ORDER TO RECEIVE
MYSTERIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST
Jodi, Am I understanding well?
That IN ORDER for a person TO BELIEVE, God gives him
the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation?
OTHERWISE, HE DON’T BELIEVE!
First and foremost
What WISDOM and REVELATION got to do with
BELIEF
WISDOM AND REVELATION are given to those already living and practicing what they believe!
Mark 16:15And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world and
preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that (UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL)
Believeth
and is baptized shall be saved: ( OK Jodi? heard the gospel, freely accepts and believes!)
but he that
believeth not (FREELY REJECTS) shall be condemned.
From the above scripture, it is well clear that after a person HEARS all about Jesus and His Gospel and
BELIEVES
that person then is baptized and is saved.
WITHOUT RECEIVING ANY KIND OF SPIRIT YET, Jodi, since he is not baptized yet,
Jodi, THAT PERSON SIMPLY HAD
FAITH and BELIEVED.
HE DIDN’T RECEIVE THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND REVELATION in order to
BELIEVE as you
Falsely stated!
Thus first FAITH then
HEARS THE GOSPEL,
BELIEVES, and then
BAPTIZED.
NOW, FROM THEN ON Jodi, that person
MUST EXERCISE
THE SPIRIT ( something which you by the look of it DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS)
Then God accordingly in relation to the SPIRITUAL LIFE of that person
BORN IN THE SPIRIT
HE ENRICHES THAT PERSON
AS HE WILL
WITH HIS SPIRIT.
NOW READ AND DISCERN:
1Ephysians 15 Wherefore, I also, hearing of
your faith
that is in the Lord Jesus and of your love towards all the saints,
16 CEASE NOT TO GIVE THANKS FOR YOU,
making commemoration of you in
my prayers,
17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and of revelation,
in the knowledge of him:
GOD
In our fellowship with God, a spirit of wisdom and revelation is indispensable.
Ok Jodi, DID YOU GET THAT TRUTH?
THEY HAD FAITH ALRIGHT, THEY WERE BELIEVERS ALRIGHT
LIKE ALL CHRISTIANS ARE, BUT
The spirit of knowledge and of revelation was not given to them YET in order to
RECEIVE THE MYSTERIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF
GOD IN JESUS CHRIST
THE FACT THAT PAUL PRAYED FOR THEM WITHOUT CEASING!
Thus the spirit of knowledge and of revelation IS NOT GIVEN TO INDIVIDUALS TO BELIEVE
BUT TO ENRICH AND STRENGTHEN THE ALREADY BELIEVER IN ORDER TO
KNOW GOD INWARDLY AND LIVE
SPIRITUALLY IN CHRIST
JODI, BOTH YOU AND I
ARE CHRISTIANS!
BUT WE ARE NOT IN HARMONY!
VERY SIMPLE:
because we are not enriched
THE SAME
in relation to the
MYSTERIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF
JESUS CHRIST BY WHOM
WE BELIEVERS GET CLOSER AND KNOW GOD INTUITIVELY! WHY?
BECAUSE this can only be possible if we are willing to
exercise our spirit,
ESPECIALLY PRAYING,
Jesus prayed even all night.
A PERSON DISCERNS THE TRUTH FROM SCRIPTURES NOT THROUGH THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD, WHICH IS CORRUPTED BY THE INTERMINGLING OF SATAN’S SPIRIT, BUT THROUGH
THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD BY WHOM THE SCRIPTURE IS WRITTEN.
John16:12 I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will teach you all truth.(WISDOM) For he shall not speak of himself: but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak. And the things that are to come, he shall shew you. 14He shall glorify me: because he shall receive of mine and shall shew it to you.(REVELATION)
Luke 11:9 And I say to you: Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you. 10For every one that asketh receiveth: and he that seeketh findeth: and to him that knocketh it shall be opened:
James 1 But if any of you want WISDOM,
let him ask of God who giveth to all men abundantly and upbraideth not.
And it shall be given him.
6But let him ask in
faith,
nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea, which is moved and carried about by the wind. 7Therefore let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord. 8A double minded man is inconstant in all his ways.
Jodi, we have to be filled with God in OUR spirit.
ONE MUST AWAKEN THE SPIRIT, MUST BE BORN IN THE SPIRIT!
THUS WE LIVE SPIRITUALLY.
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS ESPECIALLY TRUTH IN SCRIPTURE FROM THE SPIRITUAL SIDE POINT OF VIEW!
By the inward filling of the Holy Spirit in our spirit.
BY REJECTING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THE WORLD and CREATING SPACE FOR THE SPIRIT TO ABIDE IN US!
There are four verses in Ephesians with the little phrase in spirit: 2:22; 3:5; 5:18; and 6:18.
2:22 In whom you also are built together into a habitation of God in the Spirit.
3:3 How that, according to
revelation,
the mystery has been made known to me,
as I have written above in a few words:
4 As you reading,
may understand
my knowledge
in the mystery of Christ,
5Which in other generations was not known to the sons of men, as it is now revealed to his holy apostles and prophets
in the Spirit:
5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is luxury: but
be ye filled with the Holy Spirit,
6:18 By all prayer and supplication praying at all times in the spirit:…
Now read again:
1Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual things,
my brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2You know that when you were heathens, you went to dumb idols, according as you were led. 3Wherefore, I give you to understand that no man,
speaking by the Spirit of God,
saith Anathema to Jesus.
And no man can say
The Lord Jesus,
but by the Holy Ghost.
4Now there are diversities of graces,
but the same Spirit.
5And there are diversities of ministries.
but the same Lord.
6And there are diversities of operations,
but the same God,
who worketh all in all.
7And the manifestation of the Spirit is given
to every man unto profit.8To one indeed, by the Spirit, is given
the word of wisdom:
and to another,
the word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9To another,
faith in the same spirit:
to another,
the grace of healing in one Spirit:
10to another
the working of miracles:
to another,
prophecy:
to another,
the discerning of spirits: ( WHICH YOU LACK I’M AFRAID, with every respect)
to another,
diverse kinds of tongues:
to another,
interpretation of speeches.
11But all these things, one and the same Spirit worketh,
dividing to every one according as he will.
You produce loads of scriptures of which
I FULLY BELIEVE
but I’m afraid
YOU ARE NOT BORN IN SPIRIT YET!
YOU ACCEPT THOSE SCRIPTURES
ONLY LITERALLY
YOU ARE NOT READY TO ACCEPT THE PURE FACT THAT HIDDEN IN THE LITERAL SENSE OF SCRIPTURES THERE IS
GOD, THE AUTHOR OF SCRIPTURE, WHO IS A SPIRIT.
luke 17:34 I say to you: In that night (WHICH NIGHT) there shall be two men in one bed. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. 35Two women shall be grinding together. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. Two men shall be in the field. The one shall be taken and the other shall be left. 36They answering, say to him: Where, Lord? 37Who said to them: Wheresoever the body shall be, thither will the eagles also be gathered together.
The above is a clear example:
Would you accept the above scripture
ONLY LITERALLY Jodi?
IF YOUR SPIRIT IS AWAKEN Jodi,
IF YOU HAVE THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND OF REVELATION,
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO KNOW IN THE TRUTH
How many men were there in one bed.
How many women were grinding.
How many men were in the field.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi t8,
In my last post where you then commented the blind patting the blind, I STARTED with a CHAPTER, and then I gave three immediate points Paul, God, and Jesus based directly on what was said in that chapter. In that chapter is reference to people looking at OT scripture to compare with Paul’s words. I then gave OT scripture to compare with Paul’s words to show how they align.
You:I am against those who start with a picture and then force scripture into it and attack scripture that opposes it.
ME: I don’t start with a picture and force scripture, what you have said is PROVEN to be absolutely FALSE, readily seen just by simply reading my post I gave that BEGAN with ACTS 17. t8, you need to gather yourself and get’s something straight.
YOU:There are a whole host of verses that go against what you are teaching. Basically what I see is you and Gene repeatedly saying that this scripture doesn’t really say that because this other scripture negates that scripture and so must be read in a different way and here is the way that it should be read based on what fits my theology.
ME: Scripture supports scripture, the details of one passage are to be applied to all passages. I can accuse you likewise of leaving out passages where you do not apply that given truth and the understanding thereof to other passages. When you don’t apply you misinterpret other passages. I am willing to DISCUSS FULLY, I would love to in fact, discuss the scriptures you give and then your understanding behind it, and counter it. What I get from you often as it pleases you, are accusations that I am just blind, dishonest..etc, where you give me no legitimate response to the DIRECT CONTENT of what I have said.
Hi t8 and All,
As I believe that God DECLARED the END from the beginning as DIRECT scripture says, I likewise believe that His WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah was within Him from the beginning. THIS IS likewise BASED ON DIRECT SCRIPTURE,
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
“ancient time” Qedem aforetime, beginning
t8, it is not blind to say that our God had foreknowledge and a plan from the beginning. That God’s WORD from the beginning, was that a man would be called to righteousness, have God direct all his ways so that he would be obedient going to the cross to deliver captives and BECOME the firstborn of the dead of many brethren.
Isaiah tells you and Acts confirms it!
NOW if this was His WORD from the beginning, that God knew that one man would bring sin and death and another man would bring righteousness and life, THEN all things created, wherein Isaiah in chapter 45 says God created ALONE by HIMSELF, He would have created it through (BY REASON OF) and FOR this man who would bring righteousness and life shedding his blood, and be the firstborn of many brethren from the dead.
Seems to me you and so many others on this forum apply doctrine to NT passages, instead of the SURE WORD of PROPHECY, you’d just like to sweep under the rug that we have a man who God KNEW and PLANNED from the beginning to come, who GOD WOULD RAISE UP IN RIGHTEOUSNESS and DIRECT ALL HIS WAYS, a man who could do nothing of himself but through God he could save the world.
Hi Carmel,
ME: God also chose people, giving them the Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation so
that they would believe
in the WORD spoken by the prophets, spoken by Jesus, spoken by the apostles.
YOU: LIES, LIES, and LIES!
PRODUCE SCRIPTURE WHICH SAYS SO JODI! TILL THEN
LIES, LIES, and LIES.
the Spirit of Wisdom and of Revelation IT IS GIVEN IN ORDER TO RECEIVE
MYSTERIOUS KNOWLEDGE OF CHRIST
ME: Carmel, let’s start out with this,
Ephesian 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ).
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But NOW is made manifest, and BY the SCRIPTURES of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, MADE KNOWN to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Carmel that which is WRITTEN IS THE REVELATION MADE KNOWN, we are to believe in the gospel WRITTEN that Paul and Jesus likewise had preached.
Carmel we can discuss that which is WRITTEN and debate over what that which is written means. I am not going to discuss with you that which you believe are mysteries hidden that you believe God has revealed to you that you then believe that he sent you to teach.
Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
If you are of God, able to hear the words of truth WRITTEN in scripture, that means that God has revealed unto you that they are true, He has given you the wisdom to believe that which is written is true.
As God gave wisdom and revelation to Paul of the truth that WAS once hidden but NOW revealed, likewise God gives wisdom and the revelation to people that Paul was in fact giving us the word of the gospel.
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Carmel, PAUL gives us the knowledge of him, you are directly told such in Ephesians 3, Paul is asking thus in the above verse then OBVIOUSLY that the Father gives people the Spirit of wisdom and revelation so that they believe the knowledge of Christ that Paul has written.
Here it is again for you,
Ephesian 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ).
In Ephesians 1 Paul is NOT speaking in mystery that then God gives you the wisdom and revelation to find such mystery, Paul is giving you words so that your understanding maybe enlightened and you may know the truth, of which can only be believed if God has revealed it to you as being the truth.
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and GAVE HIM TO BE the head over all things to the church,
NOW Paul’s words can also be found in Psalm 8, where Christ IS the MAN that God has been mindful of and visited, given him of His Spirit without measure, called an ANOINTING (how perfect), crowned this human with glory and honor and gave this human dominion over all the works of God’s hands, where God places all things under this humans feet, who is the firstborn of many brethren.
As I believe that God DECLARED the END from the beginning as DIRECT scripture says, I likewise believe that His WORD spoken by the prophet Isaiah was within Him from the beginning. THIS IS likewise BASED ON DIRECT SCRIPTURE,
Could well be and in this case it doesn’t change a thing about these things we believe. You think these other scriptures negate the many that go directly against what you teach. This is not the case. The truth encompasses these scriptures and the ones you disagree with.
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
…in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
You have a set of pet verses to support your view and basically ignore the scriptures that are contrary to your view. When challenged, you simply quote these other verses as if that somehow negates the many other scriptures that contradict you. On top of all that, you predictably cannot provide straight up simple answers as to what you believe. You need long-winded speeches that give you opportunities to distract from the simple and obvious truth that you do not believe the scriptures I quote above and many more besides them.
t8, it is not blind to say that our God had foreknowledge and a plan from the beginning.
If you believe that I am saying this is blind, then you are either blind or in error as to what I believe and teach.
Hi t8,
As I have said multiple times, scripture is to be applied to scripture.
ISAIAH and DAVID’S words with that of PAUL’S and that which is written in the book of ACTS, most certainly NOT TO BE EXCLUDED!
When the WORD from the beginning was of a man to come who God would call to righteousness from among his brethren to be for a light, a savior to the world, all things that God made ALONE by HIMSELF, as you are DIRECTLY TOLD BY ISAIAH, God would be making all things thus through THIS HUMAN savior.
As this human savior is the firstborn of the dead of many brethren and God said that He didn’t make the world in vein but made it to be inhabited, He thus when making all things ALONE by HIMSELF as the PROPHET ISAIAH DIRECTLY TELLS YOU, GOD would be making all things FOR him, the firstborn of the dead of many brethren.
t8, JESUS, whose origin comes from the genealogy of David IS the ONE who is said that God made all things through and for. The ONE WHO SHED HIS BLOOD, and thus BECAME the firstborn of the dead of many brethren, is the ONE who God made all things through and for. He is the ONE who lives in the image of God having been raised with a body of power, glory, incorruptible, where he RECEIVED the PROMISED Holy Spirit AND the SURE MERCIES OF DAVID his father.
t8,
THERE IS NOT ONE VERSE THAT IS CONTRARY TO MY VIEW, NOT A ONE!
The HE that is before all things IS JESUS, whose ORIGIN is of the genealogy of Abraham and David, who was PROMISED by GOD’S WORD from the beginning to come, where he would be for a light to all people because as was also promised HE being of the tribe of Judah, the son of Jesse God promised to call HIM to righteousness and direct all HIS ways so that HE would be the first and only mortal human to obey God without failing, going to the cross in OBEDIENCE saving us from our sins, where HE THEN was raised among his dead brethren FIRST in an ORDER, foreknown by God before the world was, to receive eternal life.
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