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Gabriel was never “fathered” the same way Jesus Christ was. Gabriel was “created” making him a made son.
Jesus has his Father’s genes.Hi Journey42,
In more term, God added the missing DNA sequencing such as
a Y chromosome needed to have a virgin conceive a male child.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODHi Journey42,
This is probably the wrong thread for this, but since
it has become a sub topic here, here’s a vid on Urantia.
Hi ED,
“The bible instead teaches that God’s Holy Spirit fathered “the spirit of Christ”.”
Really? Where is it WRITTEN this way.
Or did you misconstrue this too?
Jesus had the holy spirit in him from conception. He was conceived by the holy spirit. He was sent to do a job. Baptism is a symbol of repentance for the remission of sins.
Journey42,
100% right, regarding the Holy Spirit within Jesus, obvious HE BUILT JESUS’FLESH BODY FOR HIMSELF AS HIS SOUL, AND FOR THE FATHER TO ABIDE WITHIN!
REGARDING BAPTISM YOU ARE NOT RIGHT!
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON COULDN’T START HIS MISSION UNLESS HE IS IN A JUSTIFIED STATE DECLARED IN HIS OWN WORDS:FOR SO IT BECOMES US TO FULFIL ALL JUSTICE!
SO JUSTICE WAS NOT BEING ACHIEVED ENTIRELY, OBVIOUS THE GOOD WERE DESTINED TO HELL!, AND THE EVIL WERE BEING MANIPULATED!
SO JESUS WAS BAPTISED TO RESPECT AND ESTABLISH A JUSTIFIED PRINCIPLE, ALL IN HIMSELF!
WHAT WAS THAT JUSTIFIED PRINCIPAL ?
OBVIOUS:EQUALITY , AND JUSTIFICATION FOR GOOD AND EVIL ON EARTH!
MORE TO COME
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesJourney42,
JUSTIFICATION FOR BOTH GOOD AND EVIL ON EARTH!
FIRST, JESUS ENTERED SATAN’S KINGDOM, Â NO? SO NOT HIS, PRINCIPAL WISE, ALTHOUGH THROUGH CORRUPTION, BUT JUSTIFIED FROM SATAN’S SIDE!
SECOND, THE WORLD DESPERATELY NEEDED TO BE SAVED, DUE TO THE FACT THAT PRINCIPAL WISE IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE EQUALLY FUNCTIONABLE FOR BOTH GOOD AND EVIL! NO?
BUT IN FACT IT WAS SO TOTALLY EVIL THAT ITS PROCESS WAS NOT JUSTIFIED REGARDING BOTH THEÂ GOOD,SINCE ALL WERE PREDESTINED TO END IN HELL , AND THE EVIL SINCE ALL WERE Â MANIPULATED
ALL FOR THE PLEASURE OF SATAN!
SO IT WASN’T GOOD AND EVIL AT ALL! SO THIS PRINCIPAL HAD TO BE JUSTIFIED, AND ESTABLISHED!
THANKS TO ADAM!
SO JESUS, HUMBLY AND MEEKLY, ALTHOUGH A DIVINE BEING, RESPECTED THIS PRINCIPAL OF GOOD AND EVIL, AND ENTERED THIS WORLD IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN SUBJECT TO TEMPTATION AND DEATH,
SUBJECT TO SATAN!
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesJOURNEY42,
REGARDING THE JUSTIFICATION OF SIN ON EARTH!
AND STILL POSSIBLE TO GO TO HEAVEN!
JESUS CAME, IN MORTAL FLESH AND BLOOD, LOADED WITH THE ENTIRE SINS, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO DEATH, AND HE MADE BOTH SIN AND DEATH WHICH, UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME , WERE ONLY EVIL, ALSO GOOD, SINCE THROUGH THEM JESUS JUSTIFIED ALL IN HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS!
READ HEREUNDER:
2 Corinthians 5:Him, who knew no sin, HE HAD MADE SIN FOR US, that we might be made the justice of God in him.
CLEAR ENOUGH!SATAN’S SOURCE OF OWNERSHIP OF MEN, FROM CONCEPTION, AND EVENTUALLY THROUGH DEATH, ALSO THEIR SOULS, WHICH WERE NOT HIS AT ALL! WAS A COMPLETE CORRUPTION, THAT EVEN THE GOOD WENT TO HELL, BROUGHT JESUS ON EARTH AND , THEREFORE SIN BECAME BOTH GOOD IN, BY, AND FOR JESUS’SPIRIT, “THE WORD” AND EVIL IN SATAN’S SPIRIT! ON HIS CONCEPTION!
BOTH IN MARY’S WOMB!
THIS IS SCRIPTURALLY!
SATAN SUBJECT TO A WOMAN!
AS A PRINCIPAL THE WOMAN WAS HIS REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH HIS IMAGE! HE OPTED TO BE SO
MORE TO COME
Journey42
NOW REGARDING THE JUSTIFICATION OF DEATH
JESUS WAS SUBJECT TO DEATH:
SO DEATH BECAME ALSO BOTH GOOD, IN JESUS’ MASSACRED BODY, “THE WORD”AND EVIL IN SATAN’S CORRUPTED WORK IN IT!
THE FACT THAT JESUS’ DEATH OF HIS FLESH AND BLOOD BODY,BROUGHT ETERNAL LIFE!
NOW, SATAN WAS AWARE, AND CONVINCED THAT WHEN THE MESSIAH IS BORN INTO THIS WORLD, UNDER HIS OWN PRINCIPALS OF GOOD AND EVIL,
AND SIN AND DEATH,
HE, SATAN, WOULD DO SO AS WELL THROUGH Â JESUS!
BOTH BORN OF ONE SAME WOMAN!
PERFECT ALL JUSTICE FOR BOTH GOOD AND EVIL!
Ezekiel 44:3Â For the prince. SATANÂ The prince himself EMPHASIS shall sit in it, to eat bread before the Lord: “THE WORD”
BOTH IN THE WOMB OF MARY he shall enter in by the way of the porch of the gate, and shall go out by the same way.
BOTH BORN OF MARY!
THEN THE MESSIAH HAD TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF THAT HE WAS SO,
ONLY THROUGH HIS HOLY LIFE, BATTLING WITH SATAN’S SPIRIT WITHIN HIM! PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM TO JUSTIFY BOTH GOOD AND EVIL ON EARTH!
INDICATED HEREUNDER:
Matthew 10:25Â It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. ……………..
and hereunder:
Luke 2:48 ……….. Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing
THE FACT JESUS DISOBEYED, HIS PARENTS , FROM THE AGE OF 12, IT SIGNIFIES, THAT HE COMMENCED THE BATTLE TO ANNIHILATE ALL THE ENTIRE SINS LOADED ON HIM THROUGH SATAN’S PRESENCE,  THE ORIGIN OF ALL SINS !
AND ESTABLISH HIMSELF AN INNOCENT VICTIM READY TO BE SACRIFICED WITHOUT A CAUSE!
ALL JUSTICE ACHIEVED
ACTUALLY, THE ABOVE IS NOT CONSIDERED A SIN SINCE,IN JEWISH CULTURE ONLY AT THE AGE OF THIRTEEN BOYS ARE SUBJECTS TO OBSERVE THE LAW!
MORE TO COME
Peace and love in Jesus
CharlesJourney42
John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you.
IN ME HE HAS NOTHING,
SO HE WAS CLEAN, DISSOLVED ALL SINS
ALSO:
John 15:25 But that the word may be fulfilled which is written in their law: They hated me without cause.
SO FROM THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES,JESUS MADE US AWARE THAT HE WAS INNOCENT ON THE CROSS, THEREFORE DURING HIS 18 HIDDEN YEARS HE ANNIHILATED ALL THE ENTIRE SINS THROUGH HIS HOLY, SANCTIFIED LIFE ON EARTH, BRINGING SATAN TO NOTHING, USELESS, SO HE ESTABLISHED THE REQUIRED JUSTIFIED PURE STATE, AND WANTED ALL JUSTICE
SATAN HAD TO BE REMOVED ONCE AND FOR ALL THROUGHOUT CREATION, THROUGH JESUS’ BODY IN HIS BAPTISM ,
WHY?
OBVIOUS SINCE JESUS ANNIHILATED ALL THE TEMPTATIONS THROUGHOUT HIS 18 YEARS OF BATTLE, BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, JESUS WANTED JUSTIFICATION , SATAN CANNOT ABIDE IN A PURE SINLESS SOUL!
SO GOD SENT Â MICHAELÂ AS JOHN, PURPOSELY TO REMOVE HIM, BY FORCE, SINCE ONLY MICHAEL
HAD POWER OVER HIM! HE REPRESENTED GOD! TILL GLORIFICATION IS ACHIEVED BY JESUS CHRIST, AND SEALS ALL JUSTICE!
HE LOCKED HIM IN HELL TILL JESUS ACCOMPLISH HIS MISSION!
AND SUBJECT TO THE HOLY SPIRIT! IN ORDER TO COME OUT!
THIS IS CONFIRMED HEREUNDER:
FIRST HERE:
John 14:30 I will not now speak many things with you.
FOR THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD COMETH……………
THEN HERE!
John 13:27 And after the morsel, Satan entered into him. And Jesus said to him: to SATAN That which thou dost, do quickly.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Hi ED,
“The bible instead teaches that God’s Holy Spirit fathered “the spirit of Christ”.”
Really? Where is it WRITTEN this way.
Or did you misconstrue this too?
Hi Nick,
The Bible doesn’t say anywhere that “the spirit of Christ” is the HolySpirit of his Father – yet this is what you want to believe.
The thing is this Nick, I don’t believe you can line up any verses which could form a construct as to where you are getting your ideas from.I, on the other hand could line up all the verses that form what I have told you.
But what would be the point in this? Since you would just ignore the proof anyways.___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODHi Carmel
Thanks for all your replies. I just don’t have the time to go through it all now, but have to step out for a while and will get back to you shortly.
AND HOW!
JESUS,SINCE CONCEPTION,HAD WITHIN HIM SATAN’S SPIRIT, LIKE ALL HUMANS, SINCE HE WAS IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
NEVERTHELESS HE STILL WAS IMMACULATE!
The antichrist spirit denies that Jesus is the Christ or anointed one. The antichrist spirit is of Satan.
The above comment unless it is communicated incorrectly, appears to deny that Jesus is the  anointed one by instead saying he has Satan’s spirit.
REGARDING BAPTISM YOU ARE NOT RIGHT!
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice.
THE ABOVE IS A CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT JESUS FOR A SPECIFIC REASON COULDN’T START HIS MISSION UNLESS HE IS IN A JUSTIFIED STATE DECLARED IN HIS OWN WORDS:FOR SO IT BECOMES US TO FULFIL ALL JUSTICE!
SO JUSTICE WAS NOT BEING ACHIEVED ENTIRELY, OBVIOUS THE GOOD WERE DESTINED TO HELL!, AND THE EVIL WERE BEING MANIPULATED!
SO JESUS WAS BAPTISED TO RESPECT AND ESTABLISH A JUSTIFIED PRINCIPLE, ALL IN HIMSELF!
WHAT WAS THAT JUSTIFIED PRINCIPAL ?
OBVIOUS:EQUALITY , AND JUSTIFICATION FOR GOOD AND EVIL ON EARTH!
MORE TO COME
Carmel
I don’t really know how to answer you on this because to me it doesn’t make sense. Sorry I am being truthful.
Lets use reason.
Jesus had to be baptised so that this scripture could be fulfilled;Isaiah 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
John was prophesied in Isaiah. He was chosen by God to pave the way and declare the Messiah to the Jews. True?
Many came and were baptised by John in Christ’s name, not really knowing Christ yet, but receiving the message that the Messiah is here, and to be baptised in his name for the remission of sins. True?
They wanted their sins forgiven, but not even sure yet what that entailed. True?A sign from heaven was given to John that Jesus was truly the Messiah.
John was already baptising in Jesus name before he met him. True?
Jesus did not have sin in him, ever.2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Jesus took all the sins of the world on the cross, but he never knew sin.
1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
Carmel, are you understanding this now?
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.Jesus did not have the spirit of the world in him also, as the spirit of the world is sin.
Jesus was sent by God to declare the Father.
Jesus taught one day in the temple when he was 12 years old.
This proves he had the holy spirit in him from young, and not from that day he was baptised.
Jesus is the image of his Father. Holy and true.Jesus led by example, and the people who did not know him, came to John to be baptised, because God was causing a stir, for Christ’s name to be heard.
Jesus water baptism was not to cleanse him, but an example to the Jews, and the world that this is the first step to take. Declare his name openly, and repent.Jesus took all the sins of the world on the cross, but he never knew sin.
Journey42,
The fact that you are so prompt to answer, it proves that your eagerness,prevented you from reflecting and even reading my posts properly,or my English was not up to standard to be understood which is quite common since it’s not my language!
JESUS COULD IN NO WAY HAVE THE SLIGHTEST SIN ON HIM ON THE CROSS, HE HAD TO BE INNOCENT WITHOUT CAUSE!
NOW IT IS THE FACT THAT HE WAS INNOCENT ON THE CROSS,AND STILL RECEIVED SATAN,HE OVERTHROWN SATAN’S POWER!
ALSO, JESUS RECEIVED SATAN ON THE CROSS DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAD TO DIE, AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, SATAN MUST ENTER JESUS’SOUL, OR ELSE HE WOULDN’T DIE AT ALL, SINCE SATAN WAS THE SPIRIT OF DEATH,THE POWER OF DEATH, THE RIGHT TO KILL! MURDERER! IT WAS HIS ATTRIBUTE TO DO SO!
NOW,IT IS THROUGH THAT SAME ACT, THAT SATAN LOST THE POWER OF DEATH AND ENDED HIS RIGHT TO TAKE SOULS,
JESUS WAS THE LAST SOUL WHICH SATAN TOOK TO HELL
DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE TOOK JESUS’ SOUL WHEN IN FACT HE WASN’T GUILTY AT ALL!
WE ARE BEING MISGUIDED IF WE BELIEVE, AND WE SAY THAT JESUS CARRIED ALL SINS ON HIM ON THE CROSS,FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT, THAT IS ONLY A REFERENCE TO SATAN HIMSELF, WHO IS THE ORIGIN OF ALL THE ENTIRE SINS, THE MOMENT HE ENTERED JESUS’SOUL TO TAKE IT TO HELL!
AND HE HAD TO DO IT AGAINST HIS WILL DUE TO THE FACT THAT JESUS MADE HIM SEE THE TRUTH, AND SATAN HESITATED TO DO HIS OWN WORK, AND JESUS CALLED HIM AND SAID I’M THIRST
SATAN NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO QUENCH HIS THIRST, AND HIS DREAM AMBITION FOR THE OWNERSHIP OF MAN AND TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH, WITH HIS DEATH POWER ON JESUS SINCE WITH THAT SAME POWER HE BECAME USELESS!
IT NEVER WORKED AT ALL!
THIS CONVINCED SATAN THAT HE WAS SUBJECT TO GOD! FROM THE BEGINNING OF CREATION!
HE BELIEVED THAT HE WAS AUTONOMOUS!THE FACT, AND THE REASON THAT GOD ALLOWED ALL THAT KILLING IN THE OT!
FROM THAT MOMENT ON JESUS Â ACQUIRED THE POWER OVER DEATH, SINCE THROUGH DEATH ITSELF HE GLORIFIED HE OVER TOOK IT FROM SATAN! IN ORDER TO GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM!
SATAN LOST ALL RIGHTS, I REPEAT ALL RIGHTS ON SOULS, EVEN ON THE EVIL ONES,TO TAKE TO HELL!
ONLY JESUS CHRIST HAS THAT RIGHT, TO JUDGE AND CONDEMN SOULS NOT EVEN THE FATHER
JESUS HAS THE ABSOLUTE POWER OVER ALL FLESH! THE GOD OF ALL FLESH! FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER! JESUS DIED FOR THEM! JESUS GAVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE!
BUT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS INNOCENT! THROUGH THE ANNIHILATION OF ALL SINS DURING HIS LIFE, IN ORDER TO IMITATE HIM!
JESUS WAS BORN FULL OF SINS, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAD SATAN’S SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL,BUT HE STILL REMAINED IMMACULATE
JESUS WAS “THE WORD” AND “THE WORD” IS MORE POWERFUL THAN A TWO EDGED SWORD, DIVIDING SPIRIT AND SOUL, BONE AND MARROW… OK?
HE, AND ONLY HIM THROUGHOUT HIS 18 YEARS OF LIFE, COULD ANNIHILATE ALL TEMPTATIONS THROUGH SATAN’S PRESENCE FROM WITHIN! THE WORLD CURSED PROCESS THROUGH ADAM SIN!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Journey42,
The fact that you are so prompt to answer, it proves that your eagerness,prevented you from reflecting and even reading my posts properly,or my English was not up to standard to be understood which is quite common since it’s not my language!
Carmel, your english is excellent,
but the statements you make are long and drawn out, not simple to understand, and worded confusingly.
So what is his name? Such a simple question deserves a simple answer.JESUS COULD IN NO WAY HAVE THE SLIGHTEST SIN ON HIM ON THE CROSS, HE HAD TO BE INNOCENT WITHOUT CAUSE!
Now this you say is true. Can’t fault.
NOW IT IS THE FACT THAT HE WAS INNOCENT ON THE CROSS,AND STILL RECEIVED SATAN,HE OVERTHROWN SATAN’S POWER!
And here you do a backflip. Explaining your previous answer which was correct now adding something against the truth.
Christ never received Satan. Ever. This is wrong to teach. Christ rejected Satan the whole way till death.ALSO, JESUS RECEIVED SATAN ON THE CROSS DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAD TO DIE, AND IN ORDER TO DO SO, SATAN MUST ENTER JESUS’SOUL, OR ELSE HE WOULDN’T DIE AT ALL, SINCE SATAN WAS THE SPIRIT OF DEATH,THE POWER OF DEATH, THE RIGHT TO KILL! MURDERER! IT WAS HIS ATTRIBUTE TO DO SO!
Now your first correct statement, has gone even deeper against the truth. Jesus took on the sins of the world, not Satan.
Through Jesus, the world can be reconciled back to God, but Satan can never.
Satan did not create death. God did. All for a purpose.
Jesus died because his Father was in his soul, not Satan.NOW,IT IS THROUGH THAT SAME ACT, THAT SATAN LOST THE POWER OF DEATH AND ENDED HIS RIGHT TO TAKE SOULS,
Satan is still taking souls isn’t he?
I get what you’re saying however.
Just be more to the point. We can also conquer death, if we are true to the Lord, and follow in Christ’s footsteps. To be prepared to go through what Christ went through and put God first.JESUS WAS THE LAST SOUL WHICH SATAN TOOK TO HELL
DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE TOOK JESUS’ SOUL WHEN IN FACT HE WASN’T GUILTY AT ALL!
Jesus was the FIRST soul, not the last that put Satan in his place.
What Satan did to Jesus caused him to be judged right there,
but he has not received his judgement yet.WE ARE BEING MISGUIDED IF WE BELIEVE, AND WE SAY THAT JESUS CARRIED ALL SINS ON HIM ON THE CROSS,FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT, THAT IS ONLY A REFERENCE TO SATAN HIMSELF, WHO IS THE ORIGIN OF ALL THE ENTIRE SINS, THE MOMENT HE ENTERED JESUS’SOUL TO TAKE IT TO HELL!
Satan is the Father of sin. The world follow after him. The world is guilty also for rejecting the truth.
Christ took on the sins of the world, as in “he carried the sins on his shoulders” he died with this heavy load on him, so that through him, the world can come to repentance if they wish.
Through Christ, individuals of the world can change. An open invitation. Simple, come to him and everything you’ve done will be wiped clean.
Start afresh in Christ.AND HE HAD TO DO IT AGAINST HIS WILL DUE TO THE FACT THAT JESUS MADE HIM SEE THE TRUTH, AND SATAN HESITATED TO DO HIS OWN WORK, AND JESUS CALLED HIM AND SAID I’M THIRST
Christ’s will was to do the will of the Father.
Are you saying Satan took Christ to hell against his Will?
if so, this is against scripture. Satan knew exactly what he was doing,
he just did not know that Christ would be resurrected and conquer death.
Satan thought he got away with it, but soon found out 3 days later, that he would be kicked out of heaven for good with his angels.
This is why the devil is very wroth. He did not anticipate this. He got a huge slap in the face.SATAN NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO QUENCH HIS THIRST, AND HIS DREAM AMBITION FOR THE OWNERSHIP OF MAN AND TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH, WITH HIS DEATH POWER ON JESUS SINCE WITH THAT SAME POWER HE BECAME USELESS!
Satan has still power over the world, in fact even more power.
He has continued killing saints, and will kill some more soon.
We know how the story ends however.IT NEVER WORKED AT ALL!
It gave Satan more ammunition to kill Christ’s followers. He doesn’t care. He knows his end, he wants them gone so that they don’t lead “his followers” astray.
THIS CONVINCED SATAN THAT HE WAS SUBJECT TO GOD! FROM THE BEGINNING OF CREATION!
He still thinks he’s above God. Full of pride. God let him think like this.
SATAN LOST ALL RIGHTS, I REPEAT ALL RIGHTS ON SOULS, EVEN ON THE EVIL ONES,TO TAKE TO HELL!
Read the scriptures. Satan is taking many to hell with him. Past and present generations.
ONLY JESUS CHRIST HAS THAT RIGHT, TO JUDGE AND CONDEMN SOULS NOT EVEN THE FATHER
So the Father has no say now?
I know the scripture that says all judgement is given to the Son, but who is the Son working for?
Is he not one with the Father? The image of God. The Word of God? If Christ judges, it is God judging through his Word.JESUS HAS THE ABSOLUTE POWER OVER ALL FLESH! THE GOD OF ALL FLESH! FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER! JESUS DIED FOR THEM! JESUS GAVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE!
BUT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS INNOCENT! THROUGH THE ANNIHILATION OF ALL SINS DURING HIS LIFE, IN ORDER TO IMITATE HIM!
Ok, but you are just going on and on now
JESUS WAS BORN FULL OF SINS, DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAD SATAN’S SPIRIT IN HIS SOUL,BUT HE STILL REMAINED IMMACULATE
Just going over what you said before which was wrong. Enforcing it again and again.
JESUS WAS “THE WORD” AND “THE WORD” IS MORE POWERFUL THAN A TWO EDGED SWORD, DIVIDING SPIRIT AND SOUL, BONE AND MARROW… OK?
Yes, and still is “The Word”
HE, AND ONLY HIM THROUGHOUT HIS 18 YEARS OF LIFE, COULD ANNIHILATE ALL TEMPTATIONS THROUGH SATAN’S PRESENCE FROM WITHIN! THE WORLD CURSED PROCESS THROUGH ADAM SIN!
Yes.
Look I am not picking on you. I don’t like disagreeing with everything, but I go through things said with a fine tooth comb and see if they agree or contradict the scriptures. There are too many teaches not teaching the truth.
I believe you have something there, but have gone off track. I don’t know if they are your own thoughts, or if religion has taught you. Are you a pastor?
We must come to Christ through the front door, and not the back door. If your foundation is strong, which is the truth, then God should feed you truth. If your foundation is weak, then you will be full of errors.Peace to you Carmel,
and may you be teachable and not full of pride, willing to be accurate when handling the Word of God.And here you do a backflip. Explaining your previous answer which was correct now adding something against the truth.
Christ never received Satan. Ever. This is wrong to teach. Christ rejected Satan the whole way till death.Journey42,
WITH THOSE WORDS YOU ARE DENYING THAT “THE WORD”
WAS AND IS Â SUPERIOR TO SATAN! YOU ARE LIMITING GOD’S OMNIPOTENCE IN THE FULL POWER OF Â GOD THROUGH “THE WORD”, THE SON!SO WITH YOUR CONCLUSION, NOT ALL IS POSSIBLE FOR GOD, THROUGH “THE WORD”
WHEN SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR THAT:
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, OK?
and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. EVEN IN SATAN HIMSELF LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS! AND DARKNESS IS UNAWARE OF IT! NO?
AND
DARKNESS IS LIGHT FOR GOD THROUGH “THE WORD”!JESUS “THE WORD” REJECTED SATAN OFFICIALLY ON BAPTISM! FROM WITHIN HIMSELF!
JESUS Â “THE WORD”WAS AND IS WITHIN LUCIFER/ SATAN FROM HIS DAY OF CREATION!
JESUS “THE WORD ” WAS SLAIN, SUBJECT TO LUCIFER/SATAN, AND NOT FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR WORLD! REV. 13:8.
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Journey42,
WITH THOSE WORDS YOU ARE DENYING THAT “THE WORD”
WAS AND IS SUPERIOR TO SATAN! YOU ARE LIMITING GOD’S OMNIPOTENCE IN THE FULL POWER OF GOD THROUGH “THE WORD”, THE SON!Carmel. You are putting words into my mouth. I am against this statement you made;
NOW IT IS THE FACT THAT HE WAS INNOCENT ON THE CROSS,AND STILL RECEIVED SATAN,HE OVERTHROWN SATAN’S POWER!
Now you say this;
WHEN SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR THAT:
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my WORD be, which shall go forth from my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall do whatsoever I please, OK?
and shall prosper in the things for which I sent it. EVEN IN SATAN HIMSELF LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS! AND DARKNESS IS UNAWARE OF IT! NO?
If we analyse your words carefully, they are worded wrong.
No light shines in Satan at all. The light comes from Christ, the Word of God, and exposes the darkness.
Because of the truth, and because of Satan, we can compare the darkness to the light, so in Satan no light shines, but in Christ does the light shine.AND
DARKNESS IS LIGHT FOR GOD THROUGH “THE WORD”!No Carmel. Darkness is not light. The light shines in the darkness, because of truth.
JESUS “THE WORD” REJECTED SATAN OFFICIALLY ON BAPTISM! FROM WITHIN HIMSELF!
“The Word” was faithful to his death. On the cross he officially rejected Satan. That was his biggest test.
JESUS “THE WORD”WAS AND IS WITHIN LUCIFER/ SATAN FROM HIS DAY OF CREATION!
Satan was given wisdom at his creation. So you could say he was bright, and new some truth that was existing then for him at that time, but Satan was not given the truth about the future, like we have because the real light was not given until Christ came and revealed it. Even the angels don’t know everything.
1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
JESUS “THE WORD ” WAS SLAIN, SUBJECT TO LUCIFER/SATAN, AND NOT FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR WORLD! REV. 13:8.
Jesus was given into Satan’s hands so his death would be accomplished, he was persecuted by Satan, but he was never “subject” to Satan, but subject to the Father.
Just like we are not subject to Satan, but to God.
for Satan can kill the flesh, but not the soul, because we are subject to God (we answer to God)
You are using the wrong wording.Carmel. You are putting words into my mouth. I am against this statement you made;
Journey42,
READING ALL YOUR ANSWERS, I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU AGREE ALMOST IN ALL OF THEM, WITHOUT REALIZING IT, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU DISCERNED THINGS FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE!
LET’S EXPAND ON THIS STATEMENT OF YOURS:
Please reflect:
No light shines in Satan at all.
NOW READ THIS SCRIPTURE:
2 Corinthians 10 For when I am weak, then am I powerful.
NOW MY FIRST QUESTION RELATED TO THE ABOVE VERSE, IS:
HOW IN ORDER FOR GOD TO EXISTS AS THE MOST POWERFUL BEING, BEHAVED THROUGHOUT HIS CREATION, AND SALVATION OF ALL HIS CREATURES TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD!
OBVIOUS ALWAYS AS A WEAK BEING, ALWAYS HUMBLE, ALWAYS MEEK!
THEREFORE FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY OF CREATION, GOD NEVER DID HIS WILL!
THE FACT THAT JESUS SAID IN THE OUR FATHER:
YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.
COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THAT IF GOD HAD A PLAN AND HE DID IT ACCORDING TO HIS WILL,
LUCIFER, NEVER SINNED!
ADAM, NEVER WAS CREATED!
AND ALL OUR CREATION NEVER EXISTED!
AND REALLY IN THE TRUTH, GOD’S KINGDOM WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY WELL, AND VERY LONG TIME HAD BEEN ACHIEVED! BUT DEFINITELY FREEDOM, AND WILL, WOULD HAVE BEEN ONLY MERE WORDS FOR HIS CREATURES!
SO GOD ALWAYS DID WHATEVER HIS CREATURES’S WILL WANTED! WHY SHOULD HE, SUCH AN UNFATHOMABLE LOVING AND OMNIPOTENT BEING WORRY ABOUT HIS WILL? WHEN IT IS MORE SATISFYING, AND PLEASING TO HIM WHEN HE STILL ACHIEVES HIS WILL BY DOING HIS CREATURES WILL, ESPECIALLY CORRUPTED ONES? MANIFESTED IN HIS UNFATHOMABLE POWER ONLY THROUGH HIS BENIGNITY
LUCIFER THE VERY FIRST ONE IN ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION, AND THROUGH HIM WE ARE IN EXISTENCE! THROUGH HIS AMBITION! THROUGH HIS DREAM! TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH!
AND JESUS WAS SENT FROM GOD TO BE WHAT IT SEEMED A SERVER!
TO SERVE LUCIFER!
DO YOU KNOW HOW?
SIMPLE: TO ACHIEVE WHAT LUCIFER WANTED, AND NEVER COULD BE ACHIEVED UNLESS IN GOD’S LOVE WAY THROUGH HIS WEAKNESS, HUMILITY, AND MEEKNESS, ALL IN LOVE FOR THE LOST SHEEP LUCIFER!
NOW WE AT THE VERY END WOULD BE:
LIKE JESUS CHRIST IS NOW! PERFECT! IN EVERY SENSE
THEREFORE LIKE GOD! SINCE JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST
NOW! ON THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST’S BODY WOULD BE TAKEN BY THE FATHER TO BE
ALL IN ALL!
SO SINCE WE ARE LUCIFER AND HIS ANGELS’ REMNANTS, AND GOD ORDERED THAT HE HILL NEVER BE!
WHO ACTUALLY WOULD BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH?
LUCIFER, OR US?
MORE TO COME!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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