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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2007,21:16) Hi kenrch,
They will not be irrelevant till the heavens and the earth pass away.
I find this verse interesting in Jer 33
19 The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 20 “This is what the LORD says: 'If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, 21 then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne.”Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:The covenant with the fathers “from the land of Egypt” was full of feasts and rituals, ordances. Jesus fulfilled those laws Luke 24:44.
Hi GB,
This is what you said in another site and it may draw some interest here
“We were all told that sin was a result of mans doing from the garden of eden into all the world, But what if we are wrong what if it was God's doing all along, and was simply something God caused inorder to bring about ultimate Good in His creation. The word sin does not mean eternal death, it means to miss the mark. What if God caused us to miss the mark for the very perpose of teaching us through experiencing good and evil ourselves. God seems to take responsibility for it all, even justifying us while we are yet sinners. This is an interesting subject. Whats you alls or you guys take on this, i for one and i think Tim believe God caused it all to happen right from the start.”Hi,
Some different verses.
Ecclesiastes 11:9
Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.Psalm 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORDPsalm 32
1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Another,
Jas 5
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.God is not hardhearted but more than fair.
Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.
I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing.peace………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,03:54) Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.
I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing.peace………..gene
allowing yes…causing noQuote (dirtyknections @ July 18 2008,03:57) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,03:54) Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.
I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing.peace………..gene
allowing yes…causing no
DKAgreed! WJ
DK……who put the tree of knowledge in the garden in the first place, who placed the serpent there, who made them with eyes that couldn't see , until they eat of the knowledge of good and evil. Who Know the End from the beginning. To say God didn't cause it is to say He didn't have control and His purpose was not being done. If you understand that God wanted man to fall and experience first hand good and evil in order to gain wisdom from it, then you can see purpose in what God did. The woman was not wrong when she said The fruit would give wisdom and Adam realized it also and did eat, and the eyes of them (WERE OPENED) That is the eyes of their understanding. If God did not cause that to happen then we would have been nothing but blind dumb humans. God want and designed us for this experience for all of our Good it was very important to him for us to learn good and evil by experiencing it. There is nothing going on here that is not in God's plan and purposes.
IMO………..gene
My brothers, as I was reading what Gene was saying, my heart was broken – he obviously feels swept aside, my brothers, and we really ought to bask in the love of God, and give no place for the devil at all, our enemy!!!
Sometimes that takes being quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to wrath, for the wrath of man does not end in the righteousness God is working in us; let us love one another and speak about Jesus, from the Spirit.
We've all spoken words not coming from the Spirit at times – words not ministering life (whether the words are true or not) so let's all repent and go follow a man of God who can lead us further into the truth 1 John 2:13-15
God just revealed to me that this relationship between spiritual father and son is not of total authoritarianism, but of dialogue: the hearts of the fathers must turn to the sons, and the sons must also turn to the fathers: neither are fully functional without the other, as God also is very intimate with His Son! God!Sometimes, truth words alone won't do it: it didn't do it for the Jews. We must abide in the Vine, and the Vine is not the Vine without His community: seriously, I know “alot” of the Bible, but that doesn't garauntee that I know the life-giving Jesus, but a child can know Jesus without know the letters of the Bible. Very big snare to avoid there… God, save us from wrong intentions, clean the motives of our hearts, God, and the arrogance and pride, God, wash us with Your blood and clean our motives, God, we renounce to any spirit – offense, arrogance, lethargy that is not of You, God – God, we want the one Spirit and His mind to rule in our lives – the Spirit of Jesus Christand the Father! Forgive us and restore us to committment with people, fellowship and service in the local church.
I've just repented of this very thing today!! Let's get this show on the road again.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,04:27) DK……who put the tree of knowledge in the garden in the first place, who placed the serpent there, who made them with eyes that couldn't see , until they eat of the knowledge of good and evil. Who Know the End from the beginning. To say God didn't cause it is to say He didn't have control and His purpose was not being done. If you understand that God wanted man to fall and experience first hand good and evil in order to gain wisdom from it, then you can see purpose in what God did. The woman was not wrong when she said The fruit would give wisdom and Adam realized it also and did eat, and the eyes of them (WERE OPENED) That is the eyes of their understanding. If God did not cause that to happen then we would have been nothing but blind dumb humans. God want and designed us for this experience for all of our Good it was very important to him for us to learn good and evil by experiencing it. There is nothing going on here that is not in God's plan and purposes. IMO………..gene
Brother Gene…I love your posts and insight on the scriptures..I just disagree with you on what GOD causes and what he allows..again..God says that he does not try us with evil and neither can we try him with it…
I am sorry Brother..but that the is clear to me on this topic…
I do enjoy my conversations with you immensely though
Quote (Hanoch @ July 18 2008,05:19) My brothers, as I was reading what Gene was saying, my heart was broken – he obviously feels swept aside, my brothers, and we really ought to bask in the love of God, and give no place for the devil at all, our enemy!!!
Sometimes that takes being quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to wrath, for the wrath of man does not end in the righteousness God is working in us; let us love one another and speak about Jesus, from the Spirit.
We've all spoken words not coming from the Spirit at times – words not ministering life (whether the words are true or not) so let's all repent and go follow a man of God who can lead us further into the truth 1 John 2:13-15
God just revealed to me that this relationship between spiritual father and son is not of total authoritarianism, but of dialogue: the hearts of the fathers must turn to the sons, and the sons must also turn to the fathers: neither are fully functional without the other, as God also is very intimate with His Son! God!Sometimes, truth words alone won't do it: it didn't do it for the Jews. We must abide in the Vine, and the Vine is not the Vine without His community: seriously, I know “alot” of the Bible, but that doesn't garauntee that I know the life-giving Jesus, but a child can know Jesus without know the letters of the Bible. Very big snare to avoid there… God, save us from wrong intentions, clean the motives of our hearts, God, and the arrogance and pride, God, wash us with Your blood and clean our motives, God, we renounce to any spirit – offense, arrogance, lethargy that is not of You, God – God, we want the one Spirit and His mind to rule in our lives – the Spirit of Jesus Christand the Father! Forgive us and restore us to committment with people, fellowship and service in the local church.
I've just repented of this very thing today!! Let's get this show on the road again.
Amen..I am blessed by thisagain,
1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.Sin does not have to be an issue with God.
Hi,
Eccl11.9
Rejoice young man, during your childhood, and let your heart be pleasant during the days of young manhood. And follow the impulses of your heart and the desires of your eyes. You know that God will bring you to judgement for all these things. So remove grief and anger from your heart and put away pain from your body, because childhood and the prime of life are fleeting.
Matt9.13
..for I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.
Rom 3.23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
God can save those who know they are sinners.
Hi,
Those who walk can be guided.
They might hear a word behind them saying
’This is the way. Walk in it’
Is 30.20
Hi,
1 Cor 6.12
All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
1 Cor 10.13
All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
We are under the Law of the Spirit which is a law of freedom. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. All things work together for good for those who Him, who are called according to His purposes. We have options we need to remain free from idolatry.
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