Show me the fruit

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Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 20 2010,18:21)

Pierre,

Jesus spoke of Abraham seeing Jesus' day because Abraham believed God when God promised him.

Galatians 3:16(NIV) reads:

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The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

also read:

Galatians 3:19(NIV):

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What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.

The seed clearly came after the promise and the promise is clearly Jesus so he could not have come before Abraham.

One way scripture attests that Jesus is before Abraham is Jesus is the Messiah and thus Lord of Abraham. The coming of Jesus was also foreseen before Abraham was born.

Still, it is easier for me to conclude what the scripture does not mean, than what it does.

Kerwin……They simply don't get it brother.

They force the text to say what in fact it does not actually say they draw conclusions that simply are not specifically stated. Jesus was not saying he was alive as a Being of any Kind before Abrahan but was talking about him being spoken in the Plan and Will of GOD before Abraham was. You have this right brother IMO

peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

October 20, 2010 at 3:02 pm#220616

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Hi Gene,

Why do you choose to 'only' focus on 25% of Jesus lineage and ignore the other 75%?

Matt.1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused
to Joseph, before they came (consummated) together, she was found with child of the HolySpirit.
Matt.1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto
him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the HolySpirit. (Son of the HolySpirit = Son of God)
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The HolySpirit shall come upon
thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that
holy thing(Jesus) which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Jesus lineage explained

“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)

At birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
At baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)

Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…

Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

October 20, 2010 at 3:03 pm#220617

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Hi Gene,

Why do you choose to 'only' focus on 25% of Jesus lineage and ignore the other 75%?

Jesus lineage explained

Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)

Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…

Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)

October 20, 2010 at 3:04 pm#220618

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EDJ………There is no such thing a Part human , you either are a human being or not. If afraid your percentage thing is flawed brother.

peace and love……………………………..gene

October 20, 2010 at 3:21 pm#220621

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Hi Gene,

That information comes directly from “The Bible”!
which part of it is (according to Gene) wrong?

October 20, 2010 at 3:27 pm#220622

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EdJ………..I have yet to see a bible the brakes Jesus down into Presents as you do. Brother.

peace and love……………………………..gene

October 20, 2010 at 4:16 pm#220625

terraricca

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2010,17:01)

all

there is much doubt about the word of God being what it is ,many here and every were have doubts how then can they believe what is written??

Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

Does that include you?
Or do you want your words 'only' to apply to all others?

edj

no i do not have doubts about the bible the word of God.

Pierre

October 20, 2010 at 4:38 pm#220627

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2010,03:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,08:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2010,17:01)

all

there is much doubt about the word of God being what it is ,many here and every were have doubts how then can they believe what is written??

Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

Does that include you?
Or do you want your words 'only' to apply to all others?

edj

no i do not have doubts about the bible the word of God.

Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

Then what makes you believe others have doubts about what is written?

ed j
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 20, 2010 at 6:31 pm#220642

terraricca

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,10:38)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2010,03:16)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,08:06)

Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 20 2010,17:01)

all

there is much doubt about the word of God being what it is ,many here and every were have doubts how then can they believe what is written??

Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

Does that include you?
Or do you want your words 'only' to apply to all others?

edj

no i do not have doubts about the bible the word of God.

Pierre

Hi Terraricca,

Then what makes you believe others have doubts about what is written?

ed j
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

this is an old story,even Paul add to deal with those super apostles,

it is very difficult for most of us to give all there wills to God so that it is God trough his words moves you,his spirit can only access you wen there is no more resistance to it,

but people have there own mind and will not trust in what is written it seems that they need to corrected and by doing so change the truth of God.

Pierre

October 20, 2010 at 7:22 pm#220649

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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 21 2010,02:03)

Hi Gene,

Why do you choose to 'only' focus on 25% of Jesus lineage and ignore the other 75%?

Jesus lineage explained

Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…

Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)

EDJ……….So what of ADAM and EVE what exact Percentages of Humans were they then. It say ADAM was the SON OF GOD. How does that all figure out in your system of Percentages ?

peace and love………………………….gene

October 20, 2010 at 7:35 pm#220650

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Irene i have showed you scriptures where Jesus said He was FLESH AND BONE after his resurrection and said a spirit has not flesh and bone as you see i have. and where He still said when He would return he would be SON OD MAN, And where Angels said He would return the same way He left in the Clouds of Heaven.

But you say He is a SPIRIT “BEING” of Some KIND, even though he said he was Not a SPIRIT, and now you say is (NOT) a SON OF MAN anymore right. So Show Scriptures that (SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT) IF YOU CAN. So your belief is that he was Morphed into a Human and then died and then raised and morphed back into a invisible being so brilliant we can't see him as a Being of some kind anymore. And all what he said about the son of Man returning is false then right? He is not really our Brother any longer and I guise we are not Heirs and Joint Heirs with Him either because he is so separated from us we will never be able to see him again. Can't you see what the teaching of Preexistence does , it separates Jesus from us and our identity with him, it is a false teaching no different then the Trinity . IMO

peace and love…………………………gene

October 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm#220651

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Hi Gene,

Adam had no Parents;
he was created, not born!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 20, 2010 at 7:51 pm#220656

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EDJ……….So we are told Jesus preexisted his life on earth so what was His Percentages then, and what is his percentages (NOW) and while you are at it , Tell us what percent of (What) was ADAM and EVE then.

EdJ why not say what the Catholics say he was 100% GOD or Angle and 100% HUMAN. Why not MYSTERY RELIGION WORKS all KIND of WAY Right?

EDJ……………..Jesus was and is a 100% human man that was 100% raised from the grave and given eternal life in his 100% body he was raised with. A body 100% Flesh and BONE spirit sustained for ever and that will never again die.

peace and love………………………….gene

October 20, 2010 at 8:16 pm#220660

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2010,06:51)

EDJ……….(1)So we are told Jesus preexisted his life on earth so what was His Percentages then, and what is his percentages (NOW) and while you are at it , Tell us what percent of (What) was ADAM and EVE then.

EdJ (2)why not say what the Catholics say he was 100% GOD or Angle and 100% HUMAN. Why not MYSTERY RELIGION WORKS all KIND of WAY Right?

EDJ……………..(3)Jesus was and is a 100% human man that was 100% raised from the grave and given eternal life in his 100% body he was raised with. A body 100% Flesh and BONE spirit sustained for ever and that will never again die.

peace and love………………………….gene

Hi Gene,

1) We all preexisted. 2Tm.1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace,
which was given [[[us]]] in Christ Jesus before the world began,
John 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness (by the HolySpirit),
because [[[ye]]] have been with me from the beginning.

2) I go by what “The Bible” says; not the systems of religion and traditions of men!

3) Is “God The Father” not everywhere?
Is Jesus not at the fathers right hand?
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo,
here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 20, 2010 at 10:45 pm#220669

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EDJ…………..I think there is some presumption on your part there brother. You have not proven if we and Jesus we (Literately) existing before our coming into existence in our flesh bodies or not.Those word could very easily mean GOD had us and Jesus in His PLAN before the world ever began, it may have been his purpose for creating man in the first place. GOD could have planned us and Jesus way before any of us were ever brought into being, it may have been is Plan and purpose to bring forth man all along, way before it ever occurred. I have no recollection of any past life myself do you?

peace and love,……………………………….gene

October 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm#220679

kerwin

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Pierre,

I have come to believe it is wiser to believe people are deceived because of their ignorance than that they are corrupt and so choose to lie because of it. I therefore pointed how theit chosen interpretation differs from the plain meaning of other scriptures.

Hebrews 9:26 supports my interpretation as it claims Jesus appeared only once and then at the end of all ages.

Peter 1:20 claims Jesus was predestined since before the creation of the world but was not revealed until these last days.

Colossians 1:15 tells us he is the firstborn of a new creation and the image of God’s righteousness.

Matthew 13:35 Jesus will teach in mysticisms and will reveal truths hidden in God since the creation of the world.

It is not the scriptures that are not trustworthy. It is those who transcribe, translate, or interpret them.

October 21, 2010 at 12:57 am#220690

terraricca

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Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2010,17:51)

Pierre,

Hebrews 9:26 supports my interpretation as it claims Jesus appeared only once and then at the end of all ages.

Peter 1:20 claims Jesus was predestined since before the creation of the world but was not revealed until these last days.

Colossians 1:15 tells us he is the firstborn of a new creation and the image of God’s righteousness.

Matthew 13:35 Jesus will teach in mysticisms and will reveal truths hidden in God since the creation of the world.

It is not the scriptures that are not trustworthy. It is those who transcribe, translate, or interpret them.

kerwin

your answer to the verses you have picked will alway stand before all the angels in heaven they will know why you have not be true the the word of God.

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him

may God judge us

Pierre

October 21, 2010 at 1:49 am#220708

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 21 2010,09:45)

EDJ…………..I think there is some presumption on your part there brother. You have not proven if we and Jesus we (Literately) existing before our coming into existence in our flesh bodies or not.Those word could very easily mean GOD had us and Jesus in His PLAN before the world ever began, it may have been his purpose for creating man in the first place. GOD could have planned us and Jesus way before any of us were ever brought into being, it may have been is Plan and purpose to bring forth man all along, way before it ever occurred. I have no recollection of any past life myself do you?

peace and love,……………………………….gene

Hi Gene,

No, and I don't believe Jesus had any recollection either.
The basis of no memory does not discount “The Bible”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

October 21, 2010 at 1:56 am#220710

Baker

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Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 21 2010,11:57)

Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 21 2010,17:51)

Pierre,

Hebrews 9:26 supports my interpretation as it claims Jesus appeared only once and then at the end of all ages.

Peter 1:20 claims Jesus was predestined since before the creation of the world but was not revealed until these last days.

Colossians 1:15 tells us he is the firstborn of a new creation and the image of God’s righteousness.

Matthew 13:35 Jesus will teach in mysticisms and will reveal truths hidden in God since the creation of the world.

It is not the scriptures that are not trustworthy. It is those who transcribe, translate, or interpret them.

kerwin

your answer to the verses you have picked will alway stand before all the angels in heaven they will know why you have not be true the the word of God.

may God judge us

Pierre

And I agree again…..Peace and Love Irene

October 21, 2010 at 2:24 am#220721