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Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 02 2011,02:31) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,06:54) I Think God doesnt care about such things.
Its stupid, and totally centered around Man's goverment and politics.
God doesn't care about righteousness?KJ
15000 has nothing to do with Righteousness.
God doesnt care about such things, whether something was a LOAN or not.All of this has been wrong from the beginning.
The DONATION is the problem.It should have never been done.
If it were from God, than this wouldnt even be a problem.All of this is just Human politics and stamping Gods holy name on top of it.
Thats all it is.A false gospel.
Thats my say on the matter, its heresy.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,16:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,02:50) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,14:47) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,01:20) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,13:54) I Think God doesnt care about such things.
Its stupid, and totally centered around Man's goverment and politics.
SFyou are wrong,God as his eyes focused on the righteous ,but you are not a righteous person ,so misconduct is normal for you,
everyone works with his conscience and will be judge by it ,
Pierre
Im wrong based on what???
You have a big ego.15,000 dollars has nothing to do with Righteousness you heretic.
learn some english.
SFI don't know if a answer to your comment is needed ,
you have shown your true colors,
wisdom is not welcome to the foolish ones.
Pierre
Lol ok whatever?Yupp foolish conceited people like you cant even comprehend wisdom. Totally true.
IF you know your condition dont you think its time to get some healing?
You need Jesus.
deuce
2Are you claiming Pierre is not a Christian?
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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,16:13) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 02 2011,02:31) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,06:54) I Think God doesnt care about such things.
Its stupid, and totally centered around Man's goverment and politics.
God doesn't care about righteousness?KJ
15000 has nothing to do with Righteousness.
God doesnt care about such things, whether something was a LOAN or not.All of this has been wrong from the beginning.
The DONATION is the problem.It should have never been done.
If it were from God, than this wouldnt even be a problem.All of this is just Human politics and stamping Gods holy name on top of it.
Thats all it is.A false gospel.
Thats my say on the matter, its heresy.
Ed J said:
Quote Jack's dilemma is: whether to expose the charade or not expose it.
I just want to make sure the pastor gets the money that the donors intended for him. I am disinclined to openly expose people unnecessarily. This Sunday I will be listening to the discussion closely and if I sense that the congregation does not want to “forgive” the so called loan and will not vote for it, then I will have no choice but to tell all.In the final meeting between the pastor and the board there were some denominational heads present. At MY SUGGESTION the the donors told the denominational heads about the gift and that it was not a “loan.” The donors told the denominationall heads about it shortly before that final meeting. Now all of a sudden the board recommends that the congregation “forgive” the while amount even when the pastor had paid half of it back. I have just found out that in that meeting the treasurer was put in the hot seat by one of the board members about some things he withheld from the board. So things arte getting corrected. I am just surprised that the board is recommending that we “forgive” the amount when they should have given the $7,500.00 back to the pastor without the congregation being the wiser about it. I am wondering if they cannot do this because the donation was recorded as a gift to the church and they have to “forgive” it for their book keeping. Anyway, I have decided that if the congregation is going to vote to “forgive” the amount evenn though i hhate the term “forgive” i will keep quiet.
But if I see the congregation is not going to “forgive” the amount, then i will not be quiet but will inform them that the amounnt was intended a a free gift by the donnors and that the treasurer acted on his own. i can't accuse the whole board because i do not have enough facts. There is another law that applies which is, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” If I accuse the whole board without facts, then I am guilty myself.
KJ
Hi Jack,
What do you plan on doing if they 'forgive' the $7,500.oo debt,
keeping the $7,500.oo part of 'the loan' that was 'paid back'?Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,12:17) edj Politics in the faith stinks.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,All is politics!
Kangaroo Jack,
If you see a good you can do and do not do it then you sin.
In this case you would be reporting what you heard and that is considered hearsay testimony.
The people who have the standing in this case are the parties that made the deals in the first place. From what you state the couple donating the money had a deal with board and the board did not keep their end of the deal either through poor practices or intent. If that is what happened then that is on the heads of those involverd.
The best you can do is to say you heard from a couple that wish to remain anomynous is that the so called loan was actually a gift from them to the pasteur to passed through the council that became a loan on the books. Even to do that you should have permision from the couple who may instead choose to keep things quiet for their own reason.
The pasteor signed an agreement with the representatives of the Congregation but I feel the Congregation should know all relevant facts before voting. The ones to make the decision is those whom donated the money in the first place if the council does not do so first.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,02:37) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,12:17) edj Politics in the faith stinks.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,All is politics!
edjPolitics is when God words stops and the mind of men moves in .
personal interest,partialism,the flesh fruits,ect.
God spirit will be far from those peoples,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,21:21) Politics is when God words stops and the mind of men moves in .
PROVE IT1Thess.5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,23:13) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 02 2011,02:31) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,06:54) I Think God doesnt care about such things.
Its stupid, and totally centered around Man's goverment and politics.
God doesn't care about righteousness?KJ
15000 has nothing to do with Righteousness.
God doesnt care about such things, whether something was a LOAN or not.All of this has been wrong from the beginning.
The DONATION is the problem.It should have never been done.
If it were from God, than this wouldnt even be a problem.All of this is just Human politics and stamping Gods holy name on top of it.
Thats all it is.A false gospel.
Thats my say on the matter, its heresy.
SF
1Sa 26:23 The LORD rewards every man for his righteousness and faithfulness. The LORD delivered2Sa 22:21 “The LORD has dealt with me according to my righteousness;
according to the cleanness of my hands he has rewarded me.2Sa 23:3 The God of Israel spoke,
the Rock of Israel said to me:
‘When one rules over men in righteousness,
when he rules in the fear of God,Job 27:6 I will maintain my righteousness and never let go of it;
my conscience will not reproach me as long as I live.Job 29:14 I put on righteousness as my clothing;
justice was my robe and my turban.Ps 31:1 In you, O LORD, I have taken refuge;
let me never be put to shamePs 36:10 Continue your love to those who know you,
your righteousness to the upright in heart.
Ps 37:6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn,
the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.
Ps 40:9 I proclaim righteousness in the great assembly;
I do not seal my lips,
as you know, O LORD.Ps 40:10 I do not hide your righteousness in my heart;
I speak of your faithfulness and salvation.
I do not conceal your love and your truth
from the great assembly.Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Phil 1:11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God
this would answer your question
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,19:25) Hi Jack, What do you plan on doing if they 'forgive' the $7,500.oo debt,
keeping the $7,500.oo part of 'the loan' that was 'paid back'?Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The congregation does not know that the pastor has paid back half the money. The donors told me this before they left the church. The board is recommending that the whole $15,000.00 be “forgiven.” This means that if the congregation votes to “forgive” it the board would have to give the $7,500.00 back to the pastor if they have not already.I have learned that one of the denominational heads whom the donors informed about their gift will be presiding over the meeting. So everything should go well.
The donors have left the church. But they are still official members and so I will be emailing the them today and will be asking them to attend the meeting to vote. If they attend and things don't go right it will be on THEIR shoulders to speak up.
KJ
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,00:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,21:21) Politics is when God words stops and the mind of men moves in .
PROVE IT1Thess.5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Why are you guys fighting over my concern?
Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 03 2011,02:37) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,19:25) Hi Jack, What do you plan on doing if they 'forgive' the $7,500.oo debt,
keeping the $7,500.oo part of 'the loan' that was 'paid back'?Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
The congregation does not know that the pastor has paid back half the money. The donors told me this before they left the church. The board is recommending that the whole $15,000.00 be “forgiven.” This means that if the congregation votes to “forgive” it the board would have to give the $7,500.00 back to the pastor if they have not already.I have learned that one of the denominational heads whom the donors informed about their gift will be presiding over the meeting. So everything should go well.
The donors have left the church. But they are still official members and so I will be emailing the them today and will be asking them to attend the meeting to vote. If they attend and things don't go right it will be on THEIR shoulders to speak up.
KJ
Well God bless you Jack!And thanks for sharing this with us.
Hopefully you will be able to get some “Good” sleep now!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 03 2011,02:43) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2011,00:16) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,21:21) Politics is when God words stops and the mind of men moves in .
PROVE IT1Thess.5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Why are you guys fighting over my concern?
Hi Jack,What I do is: find out what others concerns are,
and then work to fulfill their concerns.
Hopefully I have helped you!Matthew 20:25-28 Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that
the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that
are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you:
but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister,
and to give his life a ransom for many. (The righteous battle is part of the Job!)(No sweat)
[עד] (Joshua 22:34)
(http://www.holycitybiblecode.org)Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,19:47) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,23:13) Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 02 2011,02:31) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,06:54) I Think God doesnt care about such things.
Its stupid, and totally centered around Man's goverment and politics.
God doesn't care about righteousness?KJ
15000 has nothing to do with Righteousness.
God doesnt care about such things, whether something was a LOAN or not.All of this has been wrong from the beginning.
The DONATION is the problem.It should have never been done.
If it were from God, than this wouldnt even be a problem.All of this is just Human politics and stamping Gods holy name on top of it.
Thats all it is.A false gospel.
Thats my say on the matter, its heresy.
SF
1Sa 26:23 The LORD rewards every man for his righteousness and faithfulness. The LORD delivered2Sa 22:21 “The LORD has dealt with me according to my righteousness;
according to the cleanness of my hands he has rewarded me.2Sa 23:3 The God of Israel spoke,
the Rock of Israel said to me:
‘When one rules over men in righteousness,
when he rules in the fear of God,Job 27:6 I will maintain my righteousness and never let go of it;
my conscience will not reproach me as long as I live.Job 29:14 I put on righteousness as my clothing;
justice was my robe and my turban.Ps 31:1 In you, O LORD, I have taken refuge;
let me never be put to shamePs 36:10 Continue your love to those who know you,
your righteousness to the upright in heart.
Ps 37:6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn,
the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.
Ps 40:9 I proclaim righteousness in the great assembly;
I do not seal my lips,
as you know, O LORD.Ps 40:10 I do not hide your righteousness in my heart;
I speak of your faithfulness and salvation.
I do not conceal your love and your truth
from the great assembly.Mt 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.Phil 1:11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God
this would answer your question
Pierre
Pierre,Look Easedropper, I didnt ask a question you heretic.
I said what i needed to say.15000 has nothing to do with Righteousness.
So your qoutes dont answer anything.
do you feel proud when you write?
do you feel soooo puffed up when you state things so ignorantly?instead of wasting people's time about things that you dont understand, why dont you study the english language so you can stop making those mistakes.
Adios
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,10:49) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,16:10) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,02:50) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,14:47) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2011,01:20) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 02 2011,13:54) I Think God doesnt care about such things.
Its stupid, and totally centered around Man's goverment and politics.
SFyou are wrong,God as his eyes focused on the righteous ,but you are not a righteous person ,so misconduct is normal for you,
everyone works with his conscience and will be judge by it ,
Pierre
Im wrong based on what???
You have a big ego.15,000 dollars has nothing to do with Righteousness you heretic.
learn some english.
SFI don't know if a answer to your comment is needed ,
you have shown your true colors,
wisdom is not welcome to the foolish ones.
Pierre
Lol ok whatever?Yupp foolish conceited people like you cant even comprehend wisdom. Totally true.
IF you know your condition dont you think its time to get some healing?
You need Jesus.
deuce
2Are you claiming Pierre is not a Christian?
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I really dont care if he is or isnt.
Thats between him and Jesus.He obviously needs him, as much as we ALL in this board do.
big time.deuce
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 02 2011,13:25) Quote (karmarie @ Mar. 02 2011,09:04) Terra, you said to sf, “you are not a righteous person” Why did you say that?
Now you say “you have shown your true colors, wisdom is not welcome to the foolish ones.”… ..what?
Why Terra do you say things like this?
You should get a tile for that.
Where is the moderator around here?
You actually need to report the offending post in order for it to be actioned. Also, moderators do not read every single post, so again, reporting posts is the way it works.
I have done in the past, but nothing happened. So theres no point. Some people get blocks, others dont.Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 01 2011,20:43) Then he should have written a personal check to the pastor and told him it was from an anonymous donor in the church.
JackWhen someone gives an “anonymous” gift of that size it can only be “anonymous” to some degree because of tax laws.
You mentioned you gave a huge gift to someone who then wrote a check for the amount to another.
Did the other pay taxs on it and did you claim it as a right off?
Someones name has to be attached to the gift for tax purposes and that is the law.
Any individual deposit or wthdrawel to or from a checking account over $10,000.00 is reported automatically to the IRS. But I am not sure about 501©(3) organiations and if the Banks report them also.
WJ
Hi Keith,
I'm impressed with your knowledge of these things, and also that you are true to the words of Jesus when he said, “Give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar………..”
Many people consider it no big deal to cheat on their taxes. They apparently consider it a victimless crime. And many of those consider themselves “Christian”.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 02 2011,17:09) Hi Keith, I'm impressed with your knowledge of these things, and also that you are true to the words of Jesus when he said, “Give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar………..”
Many people consider it no big deal to cheat on their taxes. They apparently consider it a victimless crime. And many of those consider themselves “Christian”.
mike
Thanks Mike.But I really do not know that much. I own my own buisness and have to deal with this kind of stuff, plus I had Pastored 2 Churches and know a little about 501c (3) laws.
Blessings Keith
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