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Hi All,
Lets take a look at the last book of the Bible.
Whats intresting is that we find the Seven Spirits of God mentioned alot of times here, frequently.
First in the first four chapters of Jesus having a message for the Church and second John witnessed this in Gods throne.
What does this mean?>Trinitarians- Does this mean that there is something beyond the Trinity?
>Anti-Trins- Does this mean that God has seven Spirits and is not only the Father?What does the seven spirits mean?
Consider the number 7, what does that mean in biblical language? Is this literal or symbolic? does it mean the church? or pertain to God?
Im curious, this is something, i have to admit i have not studied yet nor heard a reasonable explanation.
Note: Please use context, backup scriptures, and lets try to refrain from speculation, What does it say? please list facts and oberservations (use the 5W's). feel free to speculate in your conclusion.
Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Revelation 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation 5:6
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.Hi SF,
How many churches are there spoken of in Rev 1? Seven
Do the churches have an angel [or star] each? Yes
Are angels called spirits in heb1.14? Yes
Any more questions?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,19:55) Hi SF,
How many churches are there spoken of in Rev 1? Seven
Do the churches have an angel [or star] each? Yes
Are angels called spirits in heb1.14? Yes
Any more questions?
Seven Churchs,
Seven Spirits before the Throne,
Seven Spirits have said,
Seven Stars,
Seven lamps,
Seven Spirits of God,
Seven horns of the lamb
Seven eyes of the Lamp,
Seven Spirits of God sent forth,Many questions…
Hi SF,
We need to understand all “Seven” by first understanding “Five” of them.
I believe “Five” (Luke 12:52) constitute the “House of God” or
“HolyCity”(Ezek.4:1 / Eph.2:18-22), which are all illustrated parts of God:
Seen by most believers as a conflict, seeing God “ONLY” as one of these two ways…2) The non-Trinitarians view GOD this way….
YHVH GOD is One=151………GOD! (Deut.6:4)
LORD of Hosts=151…………..including Jesus and the rest of us!
The AKJV Bible uses this phrase repeatedly!3) And the Trinitarians view GOD this way…
The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)
Jesus Christ=151
HolySpirit=151
God existing as “The Trinity” above and out of reach.
Proof of this Fivefold House of God is illustrated using
Hebrew, Greek, and the AKJV Bible… (Click here) <– Sixth Post from top.But to understand the Parts the others don’t see, is to see the “Pattern of Five” this way…
1) (63) JEHOVAH: (Exodus 6:3) My Name is: YHVH=63
2) (117) JEHOVAH: (Psalm 83:18) The Most High is: God The Father=117
3) (74) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2) The Savior=117, Our YHVH=117 provides salvation in: Jesus=74
4) (151) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 26:4) is our everlasting strength through the comforter: HolySpirit=1515) (26) [הי] JAH (Psalm 68:4) 26=הוהי spoken as “YÄ”=26 and “YÄ-hä-vā” is The Name of (Our YHVH=117): GOD=26
This pattern of FIVE can also be illustrated using “Block Geometry”=151.The “Two” remaining parts can be seen in the signature part of my Posts,
Which are “JEHOVAH GOD”=95 (English) and יהוה האלהים=117(Hebrew).
All seven of these numbers add up to the(Sevenfold GOD) 117th Prime#.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi SF,
The seven STARS are said to BE angels in Rev1.20
The seven lampstands are the seven churches[Rev1.20]
Watching angels[dan 4.13,17,23]are as the eyes of God.Ha Nicks got it right,
Rev 1:20 “As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Karmarie………..What does that Got to do with the Seven Spirits of GOD? Nothing! Jesus is pictured as the Lamb of GOD having seven eyes which (ARE) the seven Spirits (intellects) of GOD . Spirits are Intellects that is why they are compared to eyes because they are the senses of GOD that he uses through out all the earth , they go two and fro through out the whole earth. Spirits are (NOT) beings Spirits are What is (IN) a Being. It eliminates the mind of man, it is the light in the mind, his thinking. The seven Spirit of GOD compose (ONE) GOD. IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………….gene
Hi Gene.
I see you use the word (intellects) alot, Iv never seen that word in scripture. “Those who have ears to hear and eyes to see (of the heart?).
Dennison has
Quote Seven Churchs,
Seven Spirits before the Throne,
Seven Spirits have said,
Seven Stars,
Seven lamps,
Seven Spirits of God,
Seven horns of the lamb
Seven eyes of the Lamp,
Seven Spirits of God sent forth,Theres also
Seven seals.
Seven messengers
Seven trumpets
Seven thundersThese are all only in the book of Revelation.
Seven is only mentioned elsewhere in the new testament in regards to seven baskets, seven loaves, and forgivness seventy times seven.
I believe it has to do with the seven churches of Jesus as was identified at the start of Revelations which he walks amongst?
Quote (karmarie @ June 05 2010,20:58) Hi Gene. I see you use the word (intellects) alot, Iv never seen that word in scripture. “Those who have ears to hear and eyes to see (of the heart?).
K……… I could have used understandings, knowledge, Mind, thoughts , perceptions , etc, What do you think this means “Let this (MIND) be in you which was in Christ Jesus our lord, is this not the Intellect of GOD. The seven Spirits of GOD represent His completeness, GOD is Pure intelligence connected with POWERS. Jesus Now has these Seven eyes (SPIRITS) in Him and the Powers connected with them also, the powers is what the seven (HORNS) represent they are the seven POWERS and are connected with the seven eyes (SPIRITS of GOD)> God filters everything through HIS SEVEN SPIRITS , these are (distinct) (INTELLECTS) or SPIRITS, which compose (ONE) MIND of GOD> Eyes are symbolic for perceptions, we percieve things though our eyes, they are the windows of our mind and the seven Spirits of GOD are the windows of HIS MIND that he perceives thing through . These seven Spirits of God go to and from throughout all the earth and are the Presents of GOD in his creation.You or no one else can present (ONE) scripture that say SPIRITS are anything other then (INTELLECTS) of the MIND that reside (IN) creatures or creations.
Many i believe falsely assume that SPIRITS ARE the Beings themselves and no one can produce any Scripture that say they are (BEINGS), Spirit is what is (IN) a BEING OR CREATURE NOT THE CREATURE Itself. The only being that is pure Spirit is GOD, and he lives vicariously (IN) and through his CREATION, “GOD IN ALL AND THROUGH ALL”, it says. How is God (IN) us, is it not though our minds and is not our minds where our intellects reside. Think about it.
peace and love to you and yours…………………gene
Hi all,
The candle sticks and everything else is stated seperatly from the seven spirits.what are those spirits of God?
I think nick got half of it true, but didnt answer what were the seven spirits of God.What does the number 7 represent?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 04 2010,04:26) Hi SF,
The seven STARS are said to BE angels in Rev1.20
The seven lampstands are the seven churches[Rev1.20]
Watching angels[dan 4.13,17,23]are as the eyes of God.
NickTrue. The seven Spirits are the eyes of God which are the eyes of the Lamb!
WJ
NIck…….Thought you believed the seven Spirits were seven angles , now you acknowledge they are GOD (IN) Jesus. Seem you are some what confused on what SPIRIT really is.
peace and love…………………….gene
To All………..SPIRIT (IS) INTELLECT, AND SPIRIT(S) ARE DISTINCT INTELLECT(S), GOD IS COMPOSED OF SEVEN DISTINCT INTELLECTS OR SPIRITS. it's just that simple, Spirits are (NOT) beings, but the Intellects (IN) the beings. They are expressed by (WORDS) and also transmitted by them. Jesus said, “THE WORDS I AM TELLING YOU (are) SPIRIT AND LIFE”, yes spirit is intellect and is the life of a begin, it is (IN) a being and that life is expressed by words and actions. Spirit is what produces Fruits or Works in a person, Mystery religion have made Spirit it self as a person “God the Spirit”, when in fact it is not a person, but what is (IN) a Person. That is why GOD can indwell Jesus and Us also because He (is) SPIRIT, and because He (IS) Spirit He (IS) life also. You have life in you because of Spirit in you and that Spirit produces the life you live as well as in everyone else's too. “You shall know them by their Fruit” because the Spirit (IN) us Produces the Fruits from itself and is seen though us, by what we say and do. Simple not complicated at all.
peace and love to you all……………….gene
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 06 2010,06:13) Hi all,
The candle sticks and everything else is stated seperatly from the seven spirits.what are those spirits of God?
I think nick got half of it true, but didnt answer what were the seven spirits of God.What does the number 7 represent?
Hi Dennison.
Seven chruches, seven angels, seven days, completness maybe? Thats the most popular choice according to google.
or another possibility,
Isaiah 11:2 “The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD.”
…(1) Spirit of the LORD, (2) Spirit of wisdom, (3) Spirit of understanding, (4) Spirit of counsel, (5) Spirit of power, (6) Spirit of knowledge, (7) Spirit of the fear of the Lord.Or…
Orthodox Study Bible.
” The 'Seven Churches' were located near Ephesus along a major roadway. The number 'seven' signifies fullness, suggesting the entire Church is also in view…….
..”…The 'seven Spirits' of God most likely refers to the Holy Spirit and His several gifts, as this phrase is included in the blessing with the Father and the Son…Alternately the term could refer to the seven archangels who, according to Jewish tradition, stand before the throne of God (Ezek. 9:2; Tob. 12:15).I though think it has everything to do with the Spirits of the churches because thats what that part of the book is about, the 7 Churches which Jesus holds in his hands and walks amongst.
Hi Gene.
God works on our minds and hearts thats true.
But I cant understand the rest of what your saying.
Are you and Jodi Christian Universalists or something if I remember?
K………What i or Jodi state here has nothing to do with any organizations of any kind to my knowledge , Just what scripture is saying, labeling people is not a good practice unless they say they are of this group or that group. Like WJ and Jk and David who openly state their affiliations.
peace and love…………………..gene
To All,
I stated my understanding on the “Seven Spirits” of God.
If there are no further questions directed toward me,
this “may” be my last Post on this thread; OK SF?Jodi is an ex JW, Karmarie.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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