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Quote This promise to the apostles has been fulfilled.
They are in heaven sitting in twelve thrones.
The other twelve is still a mystery.
Could be twelve prophets.is now 12 = 24 or 24 =12
and yet it seams that the elders are always beside God's throne ,while the 144k always follow Christ , you have no clue what it means do you
Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,11:57) w Quote This promise to the apostles has been fulfilled.
They are in heaven sitting in twelve thrones.
The other twelve is still a mystery.
Could be twelve prophets.is now 12 = 24 or 24 =12
and yet it seams that the elders are always beside God's throne ,while the 144k always follow Christ , you have no clue what it means do you
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 19 2014,03:33) Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2014,11:57) w Quote This promise to the apostles has been fulfilled.
They are in heaven sitting in twelve thrones.
The other twelve is still a mystery.
Could be twelve prophets.is now 12 = 24 or 24 =12
and yet it seams that the elders are always beside God's throne ,while the 144k always follow Christ , you have no clue what it means do you
wakeup.
wRev 4:4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads
24 not 12
Quote The other twelve is still a mystery. Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,16:30) SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE
MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and **he shall reign for ever and ever**.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**.
Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**:
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.
Romans 1:18 For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the
**wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience:1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**.
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***.
wakeup.
Wakeup…….What makes you think John 1:1 contridicts itself, it's clear to me and all who do not see Jesus as the Word or a God or preexisting hid berth on this earth.The only contridiction is in people who believe Jesus himself is God's Word, not that he told us God's but those who think he IS GOD'S WORD.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2014,11:32) Quote (Wakeup @ June 16 2014,16:30) SCRIPTURES THAT SEEMS TO CONTRADICT; TO THE
MANY, BUT NOT, IF UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY.John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was **with God**, and the Word **was God**.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and **shall reign with him **a thousand years**.
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and **he shall reign for ever and ever**.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall **the Son also himself be *subject* unto him** that put all things under him, **that God may be all in all**.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, **Who is my mother**? and who are my brethren?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to **my God, and your God**.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, **The mighty God**, **The everlasting Father**, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is **called The Word of God**.
Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from **the wrath of the Lamb**:
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the **wrath of God** abideth on him.
Romans 1:18 For the **wrath of God** is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the **wrath of God** upon the children of disobedience.
Colossians 3:6 For which things' sake the
**wrath of God** cometh on the children of disobedience:1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and **this life is in his Son**.
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and **for him**:
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and ***for thy pleasure they are and were created***.
wakeup.
Wakeup…….What makes you think John 1:1 contridicts itself, it's clear to me and all who do not see Jesus as the Word or a God or preexisting hid berth on this earth.The only contridiction is in people who believe Jesus himself is God's Word, not that he told us God's but those who think he IS GOD'S WORD.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Gene.I know that you believe the word of God is just words.
Just God's spirit;that needs a body to operate.But why can God operate being a spirit?
I believe that God's Word is a living image of God.
He created all things,He also was send to earth to
be seen by men,for God Himself is a spirit that can not be seen by men.You must believe that God can give His Word a form.
A shape: A being in His own image, and was made flesh.wakeup.
Wakeup……… The word of God is MORE then JUST Words, they are what we should LIVE BY. I believe. God and his word are one and the same, because his word comes from his mind just as your word and you are the same thing, because your words come from your mind also, unless you are quoting someone, as the MAN Jesus was doing when God the Father brought His own words to us “THROUGH” THE MAN JESUS, the ANOINTED MAN and Son of GOD.
Words are Spirit , because it is the Spirit which Forms the Words in God and Man.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 19 2014,14:32) Wakeup……… The word of God is MORE then JUST Words, they are what we should LIVE BY. I believe. God and his word are one and the same, because his word comes from his mind just as your word and you are the same thing, because your words come from your mind also, unless you are quoting someone, as the MAN Jesus was doing when God the Father brought His own words to us “THROUGH” THE MAN JESUS, the ANOINTED MAN and Son of GOD. Words are Spirit , because it is the Spirit which Forms the Words in God and Man.
Peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene.You still can not believe that God can turn His Word
into a being like himself with form and power.You believe that God has to create another creature
to carry His Word.
This can not be,for God said:
***I will not give my glory to another***.God is worshipped,and the Lamb of God is also worshipped.
Because the Lamb is also God's own Word.All things are created for the Lamb,and for God's pleasure.
The Lamb is also called by God himself as,*THY THRONE O' GOD*. Because The Lamb is God's own Word.There can not be someone else But God.
wakeup.
When a person understands who and what “the word”, the logos is, there is no contradiction.
Until a person understands, they remain in sloppy confusion
it would be so nice to let the scriptures talk in stead of our own will in which we want to see the things WE stand for,
Jn 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’Jn 1:16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Jn 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known<was not John talking about his teacher Jesus Christ ? yes it was RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, IN JOHN 1;1 >
TELL ME WHY SO MANY FIND THE NEED TO GIVE 10 PAGE OF EXPLANATION FOR WHAT CAN BE UNDERSTOOD AS IT IS WRITTEN AND GIVEN TO US ,BEATS ME
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