Second chance salvation

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg……….> I agree with Nick on this one, brother.

Peace and love to you and Irene…………………gene

[banana]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,04:41)

Hi Georg, No there is no scripture that says men will be saved in the millenium. It is the time of restoration before the judgement of the dead.

then tell me, what is the millennium for?
You keep telling me, God's grace will save all the dead, in the white throne judgement; do you know what the white throne symbolises? justice and righteousness, and you know who the one is that sits on it? Jesus Christ.
Why did Jesus tell us, the Father judges no man, why? because as long as there is sin in this world, God will not live with man, it is sin that separates us from God.
What does judging mean to you? I know, to you it means sentencing, it is just the opposite, it means teaching, correcting.
Did obeying God come automatically to you, or did you have to learn it?
Did overcoming sin come automatically to you, or did you have to work on, and probably still are in some areas?
So why should not all, including those that never new Jesus, have the same chance that you have?
You know Jesus is the only door, you said it yourself, I don't know of a back door into God's kingdom.
By trying to maintain your stand on the millennium, you go back on what you said and come up with this nonsense idea that God will show mercy to some and let them in, foolish talk Nick.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 07 2009,12:29)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,04:41) Hi Georg, No there is no scripture that says men will be saved in the millenium. It is the time of restoration before the judgement of the dead. then tell me, what is the millennium for? You keep telling me, God's grace will save all the dead, in the white throne judgement; do you know what the white throne symbolises? justice and righteousness, and you know who the one is that sits on it? Jesus Christ. Why did Jesus tell us, the Father judges no man, why? because as long as there is sin in this world, God will not live with man, it is sin that separates us from God. What does judging mean to you? I know, to you it means sentencing, it is just the opposite, it means teaching, correcting. Did obeying God come automatically to you, or did you have to learn it? Did overcoming sin come automatically to you, or did you have to work on, and probably still are in some areas? So why should not all, including those that never new Jesus, have the same chance that you have? You know Jesus is the only door, you said it yourself, I don't know of a back door into God's kingdom. By trying to maintain your stand on the millennium, you go back on what you said and come up with this nonsense idea that God will show mercy to some and let them in, foolish talk Nick. Georg

Hi Georeg,
I have never said that God will save all.

Judgement is judgement.
Teaching is teaching.

Don't fiddle with truth

[banana]

nickodemus

Like I said, you don't answer questions; what are you kooking today?

Georg

[banana]

Come on Nick, quit hiding behind your apron.

Georg

[GeneBalthrop]

Georg…..The great white Throne Judgment is when GOD the FATHER comes and Judges all of those raised after the thousand year Period. Why are you denying where it say, after the first resurrection the rest of the dead were not raised till after the thousand years were (FINISHED). Come on at least acknowledge that. IMO

peace and love to you and Irene………………gene

[banana]

Gene

Explain to me this scripture.

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

What does this scripture mean to you?

Jhn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

How do you make some one see, understand, by sentencing him?
Is that the reason Jesus came into the world? condemning and sentencing? or did he come so that through him all might be saved?
And if it says all, than those in their graves have to be included.
Why does the Father not judge/teach any one?

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

God deals with man “through” his son, not directly, only after all evil and rebellion is put down, after the millennium and Satan has been destroyed, the “last” enemy, will God dwell with man.

Georg

[terraricca]

hi all
and christ said “i do my father will ,and what ever my Father tells me to do “and,,,,,,

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
Men judge themselves by their reaction to the Son of God.[Jn3]

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
Where does scripture call Satan the last enemy?

[banana]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,12:59)

Quote (banana @ Dec. 07 2009,12:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,04:41) Hi Georg, No there is no scripture that says men will be saved in the millenium. It is the time of restoration before the judgement of the dead. then tell me, what is the millennium for? You keep telling me, God's grace will save all the dead, in the white throne judgement; do you know what the white throne symbolises? justice and righteousness, and you know who the one is that sits on it? Jesus Christ. Why did Jesus tell us, the Father judges no man, why? because as long as there is sin in this world, God will not live with man, it is sin that separates us from God. What does judging mean to you? I know, to you it means sentencing, it is just the opposite, it means teaching, correcting. Did obeying God come automatically to you, or did you have to learn it? Did overcoming sin come automatically to you, or did you have to work on, and probably still are in some areas? So why should not all, including those that never new Jesus, have the same chance that you have? You know Jesus is the only door, you said it yourself, I don't know of a back door into God's kingdom. By trying to maintain your stand on the millennium, you go back on what you said and come up with this nonsense idea that God will show mercy to some and let them in, foolish talk Nick. Georg Hi Georeg, I have never said that God will save all. Judgement is judgement. Teaching is teaching. Don't fiddle with truth

Nick

Is Jesus fiddling with truth too?

Jhn 9:39   And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.  

I thought he said he came to save the world, when did he change his mind?

In regards to what you said in your last post, “no scripture says men will be saved in the millennium”.
What do you make out of this scripture?

Isa 65:20 “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.  

This is from the NIV for easier understanding.

Georg

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (banana @ Dec. 08 2009,01:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,12:59) Quote (banana @ Dec. 07 2009,12:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 07 2009,04:41) Hi Georg, No there is no scripture that says men will be saved in the millenium. It is the time of restoration before the judgement of the dead. then tell me, what is the millennium for? You keep telling me, God's grace will save all the dead, in the white throne judgement; do you know what the white throne symbolises? justice and righteousness, and you know who the one is that sits on it? Jesus Christ. Why did Jesus tell us, the Father judges no man, why? because as long as there is sin in this world, God will not live with man, it is sin that separates us from God. What does judging mean to you? I know, to you it means sentencing, it is just the opposite, it means teaching, correcting. Did obeying God come automatically to you, or did you have to learn it? Did overcoming sin come automatically to you, or did you have to work on, and probably still are in some areas? So why should not all, including those that never new Jesus, have the same chance that you have? You know Jesus is the only door, you said it yourself, I don't know of a back door into God's kingdom. By trying to maintain your stand on the millennium, you go back on what you said and come up with this nonsense idea that God will show mercy to some and let them in, foolish talk Nick. Georg Hi Georeg, I have never said that God will save all. Judgement is judgement. Teaching is teaching. Don't fiddle with truth Nick Is Jesus fiddling with truth too? Jhn 9:39   And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.   I thought he said he came to save the world, when did he change his mind? In regards to what you said in your last post, “no scripture says men will be saved in the millennium”. What do you make out of this scripture? Isa 65:20 “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed.   This is from the NIV for easier understanding. Georg

There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed. Isaiah 65:20

The longevity of men in the first age of the world shall be enjoyed again.

thence — from that time forward.

infant of days — that is, an infant who shall only complete a few days; short-lived.

filled . . . days — None shall die without attaining a full old age.

child . . . die . . . hundred years — that is “he that dieth an hundred years old shall die a mere child”.

sinner . . . hundred . . . be accursed — “The sinner that dieth at an hundred years shall be deemed accursed,” that is, his death at so early an age, which in those days the hundredth year will be regarded, just as if it were mere childhood, shall be deemed the effect of 'elohim's special visitation in wrath.

This passage proves that the better age to come on earth, though much superior to the present will not be a perfect state; sin and death shall have place in it (compare Rev 20:7, 8 ), but much less frequently than now.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea. Revelation 20:7-8

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
Those who vainly claimed knowledge had no interest in the one who was truth and their response to him proved them to be actually blind.
In their rejection of him they showed their faith was dead and they judged themselves.
He is the watershed of true faith.

He and his brothers rule over natural men and remove the earthly curses.
Later he comes to sit in judgement as Son of man.

[banana]

Const

thence — from that time forward.
Correct.

infant of days — that is, an infant who shall only complete a few days; short-lived.
It says; no more infant of days, this is speaking of the millennium, no child will die, if he does die at a 100 years, even so you are considered just a child, it is because he is accursed, meaning second death.
The same goes for an old man that is resurrected, he too will get a 100 years, but not die after a 100 years, only the sinner will die.

Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

The millennium is the time of restoration.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Georg

[banana]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2009,04:28)

Hi Georg, Those who vainly claimed knowledge had no interest in the one who was truth and their response to him proved them to be actually blind. In their rejection of him they showed their faith was dead and they judged themselves. He is the watershed of true faith. He and his brothers rule over natural men and remove the earthly curses. Later he comes to sit in judgement as Son of man.

Man, oh man, talking about blind.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
If you claim to see so well do you not risk the same problem?

[banana]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2009,07:21)

Hi Georg, If you claim to see so well do you not risk the same problem?

Nick

You know your problem is, you have no pride in what your doing, just pride.
You never answer questions, the only reason I can think of is, you don't know the answer, instead you antagonize me for having the answers. How many times did I ask you to prove me wrong? if I am, I want to know, so I can learn more, but, by your own admission, you're here only to stir the pot, and to criticise.
You are one HELL of a teacher.

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
I guess you must be in a very good place if you can judge and despise and cast contempt on others?
If you want someone to answer all your questions you should not come to us.
We just point to where answers can be found-scripture.

[banana]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 09 2009,08:06)

Hi Georg, I guess you must be in a very good place if you can judge and despise and cast contempt on others? If you want someone to answer all your questions you should not come to us. We just point to where answers can be found-scripture.

So, in other words, you're looking for answers that fit your believes, truth or lie don't matter, is that it?
My questions for you were ask, because you claim what I said was wrong, if you know they were wrong, that means you must know the truth. Should be no big problem, just tell me the truth. If, on the other hand, you don't know the truth, how do you know I am wrong?

Georg

[NickHassan]

Hi Georg,
You have left the table to teach before you finished learning?

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