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To All……… True FAITH is given from GOD. Jesus said no man could even come to Him unless GOD draw Him. Some think speaking of true Faith is like “magic”, that is because most only rely on their own selves through the operation of fear to comply to GOD commandments . They in a sense are like the Child of Hagar a slave to there Fears as a away to righteousness of GOD, But what does it say “reject the Child under bondage” he will not have a share in the inheritance of the (free) women. So when they see our liberty we have in Christ and our (TOTAL) RELIANCE ON THE POWER and effectual working of GOD'S Spirit.
They use terms like “magic” or “armchair religion”, these workers of their (OWN) Salvation through the operation of FEAR are simply in BONDAGE. They are those who have went to that mountain of (FEAR AND TREMBLING) thinking their (OWN) OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW WILL SAVE THEM. These are the faithless and unbelieving void of spirit , have (NO) REAL PROOFS of GOD in their LIVES. They could not even tell you any True Revelations of GOD'S Hand in their lives. But these false teachers preach God but deny the (POWER) there of, not understanding the words of Christ, they have a (FORM) of righteousness but Deny the (POWER) thereof. Scripture says. These “SELF SALVATION WORKERS” are simply FAITHLESS. All those who do not believe scriptures, that say “FOR YOU ARE (CREATED) UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS”, They are thieves who steal the glory of GOD and apply it to themselves , but what did Jesus say,” For the son of man could do nothing of himself” these self salvation workers believe it is all up to them by their so-called “FREE WILL CHOICES” another false teaching. They have no understanding of what it means by this, “THE LORD BLESS YOU AND (KEEP YOU) YOU , MAKE HIS FACE TO SHINE ON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS UNTO YOU, LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU AND (GIVE) YOU PEACE. But yet GOD told Moses to tell Aron to present him that way unto the people and He (THEN WOULD BLESS THEM)> But all of you who have (TRUE) faith in GOD continue steadfast in you FAITH and RELIANCE on GOD, putting (NO) faith in FLESH or it FEAR WORKS> But in GOD and Jesus alone who has called us into the glorious liberty of his dear sons. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………gene
G,
If you have such wonderful faith then why do you have to add your own ideas to scripture to understand it?hi gene
ok God draws you ,would this mean he calls you ???like Paul for exemple ?? or cornelius?
or the ethiopian eunuch ??or like Christ calls is diciples,???or like from the preaching of the diciples?Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2009,15:54) hi gene
ok God draws you ,would this mean he calls you ???like Paul for exemple ?? or cornelius?
or the ethiopian eunuch ??or like Christ calls is diciples,???or like from the preaching of the diciples?
terrariccaThe prophets of the OT were called, the apostles were called, Paul was called; the Ethiopian eunuch was drawn by the word, all the saints were drawn by hearing the word preached.
But then, around the 6th Century, all people were forced to believe what they were preached to.
After the great Reformation in 1517, people began to choose the church they wanted to belong to.
From than on, more denomination have emerged, and more choices for people.
After that, people would just go to the church their parents belonged to, for a long time.
Today, we have come to the point were people don't care about the tradition of their parents, they go to the church that is either closest to them, that preaches what they want to hear, or they don't go to church at all.
Some people have stopped going to a church, because they have come to understand that churches do not have the answers they claim to have, consequently, they do their own searching for truth.Georg
Quote (banana @ Dec. 13 2009,01:24) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2009,15:54) hi gene
ok God draws you ,would this mean he calls you ???like Paul for exemple ?? or cornelius?
or the ethiopian eunuch ??or like Christ calls is diciples,???or like from the preaching of the diciples?
terrariccaThe prophets of the OT were called, the apostles were called, Paul was called; the Ethiopian eunuch was drawn by the word, all the saints were drawn by hearing the word preached.
But then, around the 6th Century, all people were forced to believe what they were preached to.
After the great Reformation in 1517, people began to choose the church they wanted to belong to.
From than on, more denomination have emerged, and more choices for people.
After that, people would just go to the church their parents belonged to, for a long time.
Today, we have come to the point were people don't care about the tradition of their parents, they go to the church that is either closest to them, that preaches what they want to hear, or they don't go to church at all.
Some people have stopped going to a church, because they have come to understand that churches do not have the answers they claim to have, consequently, they do their own searching for truth.Georg
georgis not this we have to do ,if we don't want to become the five loolsh virgin;;;Heb 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2008,08:09) GB,
So the WWCG creates another FIRST CHANCE during the Millenium and you are oK with such additions?
Nick! You are totally wrong. The W.W.C. of God never taught anything like that. I have to agree with Gene on that. And who are we to say that He is not going to give those a chance that never heard of Jesus. And what about those Babies that were aborted and those that died at a very young age. They never had the understanding of who Jesus was. Are your going to judge them, and say they are going to get the Lake of Fire? Watch out for yourself not to judge anyone for that matter…. We simple don't know, do we?
A Minister once said that they will not have a chance just like you, and I say they are wrong just like you are. I would never judge them.
Peace to you and yours, IreneQuote (Gene @ Dec. 12 2009,03:31) To All……… True FAITH is given from GOD. Jesus said no man could even come to Him unless GOD draw Him. Some think speaking of true Faith is like “magic”, that is because most only rely on their own selves through the operation of fear to comply to GOD commandments . They in a sense are like the Child of Hagar a slave to there Fears as a away to righteousness of GOD, But what does it say “reject the Child under bondage” he will not have a share in the inheritance of the (free) women. So when they see our liberty we have in Christ and our (TOTAL) RELIANCE ON THE POWER and effectual working of GOD'S Spirit. They use terms like “magic” or “armchair religion”, these workers of their (OWN) Salvation through the operation of FEAR are simply in BONDAGE. They are those who have went to that mountain of (FEAR AND TREMBLING) thinking their (OWN) OBEDIENCE TO THE LAW WILL SAVE THEM. These are the faithless and unbelieving void of spirit , have (NO) REAL PROOFS of GOD in their LIVES. They could not even tell you any True Revelations of GOD'S Hand in their lives. But these false teachers preach God but deny the (POWER) there of, not understanding the words of Christ, they have a (FORM) of righteousness but Deny the (POWER) thereof. Scripture says. These “SELF SALVATION WORKERS” are simply FAITHLESS. All those who do not believe scriptures, that say “FOR YOU ARE (CREATED) UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS”, They are thieves who steal the glory of GOD and apply it to themselves , but what did Jesus say,” For the son of man could do nothing of himself” these self salvation workers believe it is all up to them by their so-called “FREE WILL CHOICES” another false teaching. They have no understanding of what it means by this, “THE LORD BLESS YOU AND (KEEP YOU) YOU , MAKE HIS FACE TO SHINE ON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS UNTO YOU, LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU AND (GIVE) YOU PEACE. But yet GOD told Moses to tell Aron to present him that way unto the people and He (THEN WOULD BLESS THEM)> But all of you who have (TRUE) faith in GOD continue steadfast in you FAITH and RELIANCE on GOD, putting (NO) faith in FLESH or it FEAR WORKS> But in GOD and Jesus alone who has called us into the glorious liberty of his dear sons. IMO
peace and love to you all……………………gene
geneHeb 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
God does not do this for you.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,06:20) For Karmarie,
Thanks for showing this false WWCOG teaching.
Nick! I want to see what she said, so tell me where. I went back and I can't find Her. We were in that Church for 10 years and some of the teaching was true. The most important that was not is keeping the Sabbath. Not much of anything else…..IreneQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2008,05:54) Hi Irene,
Yes.
That is before the second resurrection.
There is no second chance teaching from the Son of God towards rebels shown in the Millenium.
This too is what makes me upset with you, you jump to conclusion in several statements about the W.W.C.of God that are not true, please stop lying…… Did you attend that Church? I don't think so. As far as the statement about karmaria is nowhere on here. I went all the way back to page one.
IreneHi Irene,
Thank you for calling me a liar and it would not have gone unnoticed.This is what K said in the “Why is the bible difficult to understand” thread.
“Hi T
Thats right we do not know what will happen exactly,
Herbert Armstrong branches (churches) teach that God isnt saving anyone now, but is only gathering out those who are to rule with Christ in the Millenium, they try to say that it is only during this coming Millenium when People will hear the truth and either accept or reject it.
But that is not scriptual, it is NOW that people are being shown the Gospel and either accepting or rejecting it. This false 'Armstrong' teaching tries to say theres a second chance in the millenium for everyone, but theres NOT, this goes against scripture.
The only chance is now. I wish Georg would see that false teaching. “
Quote (banana @ Dec. 13 2009,01:24) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2009,15:54) hi gene
ok God draws you ,would this mean he calls you ???like Paul for exemple ?? or cornelius?
or the ethiopian eunuch ??or like Christ calls is diciples,???or like from the preaching of the diciples?
terrariccaThe prophets of the OT were called, the apostles were called, Paul was called; the Ethiopian eunuch was drawn by the word, all the saints were drawn by hearing the word preached.
But then, around the 6th Century, all people were forced to believe what they were preached to.
After the great Reformation in 1517, people began to choose the church they wanted to belong to.
From than on, more denomination have emerged, and more choices for people.
After that, people would just go to the church their parents belonged to, for a long time.
Today, we have come to the point were people don't care about the tradition of their parents, they go to the church that is either closest to them, that preaches what they want to hear, or they don't go to church at all.
Some people have stopped going to a church, because they have come to understand that churches do not have the answers they claim to have, consequently, they do their own searching for truth.Georg
georgso the Ethiopian eunuch found his interest and was drawn to Gods word,
but since then nothing has changed ,the fact that you have only one religion and not the true one,but teaches truth of God and you apply it and do good from the heart ,wen your order comes up you will see favor from God,the ones who have the scriptures and read it to themselves religion or not you always stand alone in judgement,but if you fallow men religion, well ,men can not save,and God is not your savior,
this is a problem is it??so to me it is always what is in your heart and to move forward to be holy so you can see the lord.
to be come holy imply that you get rid of all false teachings,renew your spirit with true knowledge of God,cultivate the fruits of the spirit ,understand what you know,and always look for Gods approval in all you do.
it is not the amount of knowledge someone has that important it is what he understand of that knowledge.
Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,10:45) This too is what makes me upset with you, you jump to conclusion in several statements about the W.W.C.of God that are not true, please stop lying…… Did you attend that Church? I don't think so. As far as the statement about karmaria is nowhere on here. I went all the way back to page one.
Irene
Hi, I studied all the books and magazines from all the branches of Herbert Armstrong ; I read Armstrongs book plus everything from The United Church of God, The Living Church of God, Philadelphian Trumpet, Ronald Weinland. This is what they teach. God is not saving people today. But will be in the future. Gods Word though says the opposite.Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,10:23) what about those Babies that were aborted and those that died at a very young age. They never had the understanding of who Jesus was. Are your going to judge them, and say they are going to get the Lake of Fire?
Babies and Children are innocents and if they die they are in the safe arms of God:)
They experience a better life in Gods eternal presence.
They were incapable of judging between the right or wrong, or perceiving the consequences for their actions.Matthew 18: 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
Matthew 19: 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2010,08:20) For Karmarie,
Thanks for showing this false WWCOG teaching.
Thanks Nick.Quote (karmarie @ April 15 2010,14:00) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,10:23) what about those Babies that were aborted and those that died at a very young age. They never had the understanding of who Jesus was. Are your going to judge them, and say they are going to get the Lake of Fire?
Babies and Children are innocents and if they die they are in the safe arms of God:)
They experience a better life in Gods eternal presence.
They were incapable of judging between the right or wrong, or perceiving the consequences for their actions.Matthew 18: 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
Matthew 19: 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
Kardid this mean that children are in the kingdom of heaven?
Mt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer the little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me:_ for to such belongeth the kingdom of heaven=
what is Jesus really means??
Hi T,
It seems to mean that as soon as someone is old enough to understand the simplest of things about salvation in Jesus they are old enough to come to him and be saved in him.Of course children of the saved are safe while they are still children[1Cor7.14]
Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2010,18:06) Quote (karmarie @ April 15 2010,14:00) Quote (Elizabeth @ April 15 2010,10:23) what about those Babies that were aborted and those that died at a very young age. They never had the understanding of who Jesus was. Are your going to judge them, and say they are going to get the Lake of Fire?
Babies and Children are innocents and if they die they are in the safe arms of God:)
They experience a better life in Gods eternal presence.
They were incapable of judging between the right or wrong, or perceiving the consequences for their actions.Matthew 18: 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
Matthew 19: 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
Kardid this mean that children are in the kingdom of heaven?
Mt 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer the little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me:_ for to such belongeth the kingdom of heaven=
what is Jesus really means??
Hi T, I think this verse shows us;1) How much God loves Children.
2) How we need to become more like Children ourselves.I was responding to Irene who said “What about the Children who Died young and never knew about Jesus”
I think God has it all worked out.
2 Corinthians 6:1:
“Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For he says,
“In a favorable time I listened to you,
and in a day of salvation I have helped you.”Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation”
Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2010,13:00) Quote (banana @ Dec. 13 2009,01:24) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 12 2009,15:54) hi gene
ok God draws you ,would this mean he calls you ???like Paul for exemple ?? or cornelius?
or the ethiopian eunuch ??or like Christ calls is diciples,???or like from the preaching of the diciples?
terrariccaThe prophets of the OT were called, the apostles were called, Paul was called; the Ethiopian eunuch was drawn by the word, all the saints were drawn by hearing the word preached.
But then, around the 6th Century, all people were forced to believe what they were preached to.
After the great Reformation in 1517, people began to choose the church they wanted to belong to.
From than on, more denomination have emerged, and more choices for people.
After that, people would just go to the church their parents belonged to, for a long time.
Today, we have come to the point were people don't care about the tradition of their parents, they go to the church that is either closest to them, that preaches what they want to hear, or they don't go to church at all.
Some people have stopped going to a church, because they have come to understand that churches do not have the answers they claim to have, consequently, they do their own searching for truth.Georg
georgso the Ethiopian eunuch found his interest and was drawn to Gods word,
but since then nothing has changed ,the fact that you have only one religion and not the true one,but teaches truth of God and you apply it and do good from the heart ,wen your order comes up you will see favor from God,the ones who have the scriptures and read it to themselves religion or not you always stand alone in judgement,but if you fallow men religion, well ,men can not save,and God is not your savior,
this is a problem is it??so to me it is always what is in your heart and to move forward to be holy so you can see the lord.
to be come holy imply that you get rid of all false teachings,renew your spirit with true knowledge of God,cultivate the fruits of the spirit ,understand what you know,and always look for Gods approval in all you do.
it is not the amount of knowledge someone has that important it is what he understand of that knowledge.
In other words, I'm in good company here.Georg
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