Scientific Quotes

[TimothyVI]

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology. Intelligent design is not a scientific concept. (John H. Marburger III, Director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy)

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Quote (Stu @ May 31 2011,17:59)

What worries me about religion is that it teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding. Richard Dawkins

How is that scientific?

On the contrary, scripture teaches us that understanding is extremely important. Scripture is about revelation, and revelation is about revealing truth, spiritual truth.

Your post is a biased statement based more on the fruit of controlled political religion than the spiritual truth.

Obviously Dawkins and yourself have no idea that there is a difference. A big difference.

BTW, this is not a scientific quote. It is a correction.

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Quote (TimothyVI @ May 31 2011,22:39)

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology.  Intelligent design is not a scientific concept.  (John H. Marburger III, Director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy)

The fool has said in his heart there is no God (creator).

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Quote (david @ May 31 2011,17:59)

“Lines that are parallel meet at Infinity!” Euclid repeatedly, heatedly, urged. Until he died, and so reached that vicinity: in it he found that the damned things diverged.–Piet Hein, Grooks VI

Actually if space is curved and uneven, then yes parallel lines could eventually cross over.

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Quote (Stu @ May 31 2011,18:21)

Quote (david @ May 31 2011,18:04) “God exists,”–Richard Dawkins. I guess I should quote that in context: “God exists if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.” Indeed!  An excellent example of quote-mining: the creationist's “greatest” weapon. Stuart

Throwing stones in glass houses Stu.

Most criticism is actually aimed at controlled religion and mistakenly thought to be with scripture or spirituality. Believe it or not, I hate controlled religion more than you do.

You need to educate yourself on the difference, then your comments might mean something when applied to the right thing.

Probably should have told you this 5 years ago. Sorry about all those wasted posts you have made.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ May 31 2011,15:53)

The fool has said in his heart there is no God (creator).

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,08:52)

Quote (Stu @ May 31 2011,17:59) What worries me about religion is that it teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding. Richard Dawkins How is that scientific? On the contrary, scripture teaches us that understanding is extremely important. Scripture is about revelation, and revelation is about revealing truth, spiritual truth. Your post is a biased statement based more on the fruit of controlled political religion than the spiritual truth. Obviously Dawkins and yourself have no idea that there is a difference. A big difference. BTW, this is not a scientific quote. It is a correction.

It is scientific because science does demand that people not be satisfied with not understanding.

Scripture is historical fiction, a description of events that did not actually happen against an historical background that is half right.

Don't know who would knowingly make that the basis of his spirituality.

Sounds like satisfaction with not understanding to me.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,09:02)

Quote (Stu @ May 31 2011,18:21) Quote (david @ May 31 2011,18:04) “God exists,”–Richard Dawkins. I guess I should quote that in context: “God exists if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture.” Indeed!  An excellent example of quote-mining: the creationist's “greatest” weapon. Stuart Throwing stones in glass houses Stu. Most criticism is actually aimed at controlled religion

Obviously it is aimed at creationists. You are one. Perhaps you do not quote-mine. But then perhaps you are missing out on a creationist's greatest weapon.

Stuart

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If you mean that there is a creator, then yes I am certainly in that camp and in good company too.

The other camp is the foolish one. Because it is a fool who denies that a camera is designed/created. Likewise with the eye, the Earth, and the heavens.

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,08:53)

Quote (TimothyVI @ May 31 2011,22:39) Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology.  Intelligent design is not a scientific concept.  (John H. Marburger III, Director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy) The fool has said in his heart there is no God (creator).

Here is a further list of atheists:

Lance Armstrong
Isaac Asimov
David Attenborough
Ingmar Bergman
Johannes Brahms
Jim Broadbent
Derren Brown
Henri Cartier-Bresson
Noam Chomsky
Sir Arthur C. Clarke
Billy Connolly
Sir Noël Coward
Francis Crick
Richard Dawkins
Frederick Delius
Marlene Dietrich
Marcus du Sautoy
Richard Feynman
Jodie Foster
Stephen Fry
Bill Gates
Bob Geldof
Ricky Gervais
Richard E. Grant
Germaine Greer
Che Guevara
Ernest Hemingway
Christopher Hitchens
Eddie Izzard
Tom Lehrer
John Lennon
Sir Ian McKellen
Arthur Miller
Jawaharlal Nehru
Friedrich Nietzsche
George Orwell
Linus Pauling
Ivan Pavlov
Steven Pinker
Terry Pratchett
Philip Pullman
Daniel Radcliffe
James Randi
Griff Rhys Jones
Gene Roddenberry
Richard Rodgers
Salman Rushdie
Bertrand Russell
Jean-Paul Sartre
Arthur Schopenhauer
Andy Serkis
Omar Sharif
George Bernard Shaw
Percy Bysshe Shelley
Dmitri Shostakovich
Clive Sinclair
Robert Louis Stevenson
Richard Strauss
Emma Thompson
Alan Turing
James D. Watson
Gene Wilder
Steve Wozniak

Fools all of them.

Note I included a few who are well-known in your area of interest t8. Presumably they would disagree that the universe is a computer that needs a programmer.

Stuart

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Quote (Stu @ June 01 2011,19:27)

It is scientific because science does demand that people not be satisfied with not understanding. Scripture is historical fiction, a description of events that did not actually happen against an historical background that is half right. Don't know who would knowingly make that the basis of his spirituality. Sounds like satisfaction with not understanding to me. Stuart

Stu this is nothing but biased hogwash and opinion.
Sorry, it is not science.
Try again.

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,20:00)

Quote (Stu @ June 01 2011,19:27) It is scientific because science does demand that people not be satisfied with not understanding. Scripture is historical fiction, a description of events that did not actually happen against an historical background that is half right. Don't know who would knowingly make that the basis of his spirituality. Sounds like satisfaction with not understanding to me. Stuart Stu this is nothing but biased hogwash and opinion. Sorry, it is not science. Try again.

I'm just quoting scientists in saying this.

The exodus did not happen. Ask the archeologists.
There was no global flood at any time in human history. Ask the molecular biologists, archeologists, geologists, paleontologists, ice core isotope scientists and dendrochronologists.
Humans do not walk again after judicial execution. Ask your family doctor.

Just quoting the work of scientists there.

Stuart

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There is evidence.

Global flood is not the same as flooding the world. The world is civilization and civilization was not global. Floods are perfect for fossil creation and it takes events like that to create fossils. We have fossils do we not?

Humans do not walk again, but the righteous live after death even while their old Earth suit lies rotting in the ground.

Have another go Stu.

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Quote (Stu @ June 01 2011,19:59)

Here is a further list of atheists: Lance Armstrong Isaac Asimov David Attenborough Ingmar Bergman Johannes Brahms Jim Broadbent Derren Brown Henri Cartier-Bresson Noam Chomsky Sir Arthur C. Clarke Billy Connolly Sir Noël Coward Francis Crick Richard Dawkins Frederick Delius Marlene Dietrich Marcus du Sautoy Richard Feynman Jodie Foster Stephen Fry Bill Gates Bob Geldof Ricky Gervais Richard E. Grant Germaine Greer Che Guevara Ernest Hemingway Christopher Hitchens Eddie Izzard Tom Lehrer John Lennon Sir Ian McKellen Arthur Miller Jawaharlal Nehru Friedrich Nietzsche George Orwell Linus Pauling Ivan Pavlov Steven Pinker Terry Pratchett Philip Pullman Daniel Radcliffe James Randi Griff Rhys Jones Gene Roddenberry Richard Rodgers Salman Rushdie Bertrand Russell Jean-Paul Sartre Arthur Schopenhauer Andy Serkis Omar Sharif George Bernard Shaw Percy Bysshe Shelley Dmitri Shostakovich Clive Sinclair Robert Louis Stevenson Richard Strauss Emma Thompson Alan Turing James D. Watson Gene Wilder Steve Wozniak Fools all of them.

Actually Stu, I could compile a more impressive list who believe in God.

Churchill, Sir Isaac Newton, Martin Luther King, Gandhi…

Also, your list has some undesirables.

Bill Gates
Certainly a brilliant strategist, but in the area of computing he won one important battle by buying an Operating System and then licensing it, and then by illegal means he forced consumers to buy it when they purchased a PC whether it had the OS or not. He was eventually taken to court and lost. His company was nearly split into three Baby Bills, but was saved by a new administration that squashed that sentence. Might have had something to do with his huge donation to the Bush campaign. He simply copied other peoples great ideas and products and bundled them into the OS thereby removing his competition with ease. This is illegal and he pretty much got away with it with fines that do not compare with the amount he gained illegally. This is how he won the browser war, IM market, Office Suite, etc. So  I am not surprised at all that he doesn't believe. In fact I would be surprised if he did believe, given his past actions of theft and law breaking, not to mention love of money to the point that he tried to diddle his co-founder (Paul Allen) out of his shares when he got cancer and was no longer contributing to Microsoft. And before you say charity, remember that putting his extra cash into a charity saves on tax, and he gets to buy a good reputation and why not, if he can buy anything and has more money than he can spend, then why not buy a good reputation by telling everyone that you are into charity now. In fact Zuckerberg learned much from Bill and made a donation just before the Social Network movie came out.

Steve Wozniak
A brilliant computer engineer and one of the best Segway Polo players on the planet. So he is in the top 2 billion people alive today.

Lance Armstrong.
Well lets just say that you are innocent in the eyes of men till proven guilty. Seven times a world champion of a 2000 mile course and a steep hill climb against a range of competitors on performance enhancing drugs, and a team mate who says he is a drug cheat? I wouldn't rave about him just yet, might be best to wait for the verdict. So it is quite possible that he is a liar and if he doesn't believe in God then that too is a lie, so it would add up I suppose.

Isaac Asimov
Must be a believer by now. He has passed on has he not?

Gene Roddenberry.
Well yes he has/had/? a great imagination that is for sure. To not believe in God also requires an interesting imagination.

Arthur C. Clarke, (Taken from Wikipedia)
Themes of religion and spirituality appear in much of Clarke's writing. He said, “Any path to knowledge is a path to God—or Reality, whichever word one prefers to use”.[64] and described himself as “fascinated by the concept of God”.

Che Guevara
A man with a gun and strong ideas. Bang bang and your dead if you do not agree. I suppose being an atheist means you can kill without a conscience.

Germaine Greer
Greer argued that men hate women, though the latter do not realize this and are taught to hate themselves. Do you hate women Stu? Germaine said you do.

Billy Connolly
Yes very funny. But being one of the funniest is not gift or insight into truth. It is more about communication skills and taking the piss. Besides anyone with an accent like that cannot be saved. : -))

Anyway, sorry for not covering everyone, I had a spare 10 minutes.
And yes, I know that my better list of people have faults too, but someone who tries to be good and help and love mankind will fail to some degree. But an atheists doesn't even have to bother with such things. There is little motivation.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,04:10)

Isaac Asimov Must be a believer by now. He has passed on has he not?

[david]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,08:54)

Quote (david @ May 31 2011,17:59) “Lines that are parallel meet at Infinity!” Euclid repeatedly, heatedly, urged. Until he died, and so reached that vicinity: in it he found that the damned things diverged.–Piet Hein, Grooks VI Actually if space is curved and uneven, then yes parallel lines could eventually cross over.

Then, they wouldn't be parallel lines, would they? A paradox.

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,21:10)

Actually Stu, I could compile a more impressive list who believe in God. Churchill, Sir Isaac Newton, Martin Luther King, Gandhi… Also, your list has some undesirables. Bill Gates Certainly a brilliant strategist, but in the area of computing he won one important battle by buying an Operating System and then licensing it, and then by illegal means he forced consumers to buy it when they purchased a PC whether it had the OS or not. He was eventually taken to court and lost. His company was nearly split into three Baby Bills, but was saved by a new administration that squashed that sentence. Might have had something to do with his huge donation to the Bush campaign. He simply copied other peoples great ideas and products and bundled them into the OS thereby removing his competition with ease. This is illegal and he pretty much got away with it with fines that do not compare with the amount he gained illegally. This is how he won the browser war, IM market, Office Suite, etc. So  I am not surprised at all that he doesn't believe. In fact I would be surprised if he did believe, given his past actions of theft and law breaking, not to mention love of money to the point that he tried to diddle his co-founder (Paul Allen) out of his shares when he got cancer and was no longer contributing to Microsoft. And before you say charity, remember that putting his extra cash into a charity saves on tax, and he gets to buy a good reputation and why not, if he can buy anything and has more money than he can spend, then why not buy a good reputation by telling everyone that you are into charity now. In fact Zuckerberg learned much from Bill and made a donation just before the Social Network movie came out. Steve Wozniak A brilliant computer engineer and one of the best Segway Polo players on the planet. So he is in the top 2 billion people alive today. Lance Armstrong. Well lets just say that you are innocent in the eyes of men till proven guilty. Seven times a world champion of a 2000 mile course and a steep hill climb against a range of competitors on performance enhancing drugs, and a team mate who says he is a drug cheat? I wouldn't rave about him just yet, might be best to wait for the verdict. So it is quite possible that he is a liar and if he doesn't believe in God then that too is a lie, so it would add up I suppose. Isaac Asimov Must be a believer by now. He has passed on has he not? Gene Roddenberry. Well yes he has/had/? a great imagination that is for sure. To not believe in God also requires an interesting imagination. Arthur C. Clarke, (Taken from Wikipedia) Themes of religion and spirituality appear in much of Clarke's writing. He said, “Any path to knowledge is a path to God—or Reality, whichever word one prefers to use”.[64] and described himself as “fascinated by the concept of God”. Che Guevara A man with a gun and strong ideas. Bang bang and your dead if you do not agree. I suppose being an atheist means you can kill without a conscience. Germaine Greer Greer argued that men hate women, though the latter do not realize this and are taught to hate themselves. Do you hate women Stu? Germaine said you do. Billy Connolly Yes very funny. But being one of the funniest is not gift or insight into truth. It is more about communication skills and taking the piss. Besides anyone with an accent like that cannot be saved. : -)) Anyway, sorry for not covering everyone, I had a spare 10 minutes. And yes, I know that my better list of people have faults too, but someone who tries to be good and help and love mankind will fail to some degree. But an atheists doesn't even have to bother with such things. There is little motivation.

Your list of deluded people is irrelevant to the point of my post because I call no one fools but you do. OK, maybe I call creationists names.

So all I provided you with is a list of “fools”. Your opinion would only be relevant if you could demonstrated any of them could reasonably be called fools. I don't think you achieved that for any of them.

Just shows that the Psalmists and Saul of Tarsus would have shown themselves to be a shower of idiots to think these people fools.

Regarding atheists and loving others etc, you may be right or not. I think one thing is clear, atheists have more respect for you than your religion does.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,20:46)

There is evidence. Global flood is not the same as flooding the world. The world is civilization and civilization was not global. Floods are perfect for fossil creation and it takes events like that to create fossils. We have fossils do we not? Humans do not walk again, but the righteous live after death even while their old Earth suit lies rotting in the ground. Have another go Stu.

Don't want any old evidence. Want unambiguous evidence.

Fossils are evidence that the earth is only 40 years old but a malevolent god put the fossils there to test your faith in the story of a global flood that never happened but was nevertheless written by divine inspiration.

As for your religious platitude about living again after death, can you just cash this small cheque for me for $200,000? I'll repay you the full amount after your death, with any interest you care to charge. Deal?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2011,14:17)

Quote (t8 @ June 01 2011,04:10) Isaac Asimov Must be a believer by now. He has passed on has he not?

Mike do you recognise a non-sequitur when you read one?

Stuart

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Quote (david @ June 02 2011,17:24)

Then, they wouldn't be parallel lines, would they?  A paradox.

If space is uneven, and parallel lines are even, then perhaps the lines are parallel because parallel is not defined as following the clumps and sparse parts of the fabric of space, rather that on a 2-dimensional plane, they are straight and do not meet.

This is perhaps another example of how you lose information when stepping down dimensions. Perhaps parallel lines are just to simple and narrow minded to work in a multi-dimensional universe, but work in a 2-dimensional part of it. Hence 3-dimensional theories as to the origin of the universe fail for the same reason.

There was a big bang for no reason and was preceded by nothing. It then became everything, spawned life and understood itself. As crazy as that is, some very smart people believe that. It goes to show that intelligent people can believe silly things when it comes to religion, and in this case the religion of Atheism.

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