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Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 02 2011,23:26) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 02 2011,21:28) WORSHIP SHOULD BE EVERY DAY. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD. TK
Greetings Tim…..I agree….My worship is in the form of gratitude and recognition to the one from whence all things come….This does not excuse me from the obligatory statute to keep MY HOLY DAYS from now and even forever from generation to generation….so says the Eternal…I fail to see where the new covenant….which seems to be nothing more than a restating of the old covenant and the abolition of all the ritual practices of worship such as animal sacrafice,and many other customs and traditions that were added to law by men…
The Old Covenant was for the Chilren of Israel, and not for Gentiles.Exd 34:27 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Exd 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
We Gentiles are under the New Covenant in
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new Covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.
Jesus also gave us the great commandments in
Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus also magnified the Law and made it Spiritual.
Paul said this in
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
We are also under grace by faith in Christ Jesus
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Peace Irene
Peace Irene
January 3, 2011 at 10:54 am#231243Tim KraftParticipantIrene: God bless you, I believe it is impossible to be under grace, through faith in Christ Jesus, which is not of works (of the law) and also be under the (works of the) law. If we are saved by faith through grace then works are nullified! IMO, TK
January 3, 2011 at 12:31 pm#231545theodorejParticipantQuote (Baker @ Jan. 03 2011,10:35) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 02 2011,23:26) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 02 2011,21:28) WORSHIP SHOULD BE EVERY DAY. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD. TK
Greetings Tim…..I agree….My worship is in the form of gratitude and recognition to the one from whence all things come….This does not excuse me from the obligatory statute to keep MY HOLY DAYS from now and even forever from generation to generation….so says the Eternal…I fail to see where the new covenant….which seems to be nothing more than a restating of the old covenant and the abolition of all the ritual practices of worship such as animal sacrafice,and many other customs and traditions that were added to law by men…
The Old Covenant was for the Chilren of Israel, and not for Gentiles.Exd 34:27 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
Exd 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
We Gentiles are under the New Covenant in
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new Covenant in my blood, which is shed for you.
Jesus also gave us the great commandments in
Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus also magnified the Law and made it Spiritual.
Paul said this in
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
We are also under grace by faith in Christ Jesus
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Peace Irene
Peace Irene
Greetings Irene…..This is going to be an exciting event filled year….To address the covenant with the children of Israel…as you know God removed the nation of Israel from his sight and caused them to lose their indentity because, principally they were idolaters….He subsequently allowed Judah to be taken captive for the same reason….As time progressed the false teachers have been sucessfull at keeping that identity hidden,and as a result a vast number of individuals today consider themselves gentiles….The apostles ministry to the gentile nations was to bring the same gospel Jesus brought to the Jews…The Jews being the tribes of Judah,Benjimen and Levi….Who are still the keepers of the law which has not changed neither a dot nor a titl….January 3, 2011 at 2:47 pm#231553Tim KraftParticipantQuote (theodorej @ Jan. 03 2011,01:01) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 03 2011,00:19) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 02 2011,23:40) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 02 2011,21:28) WORSHIP SHOULD BE EVERY DAY. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD. TK
Hi Tim,Your right! …THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD!
It's time to burn up all the rudiments!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings Ed….. We may presently be under judgement and I might add a mercifull measured judgement at that….Surely the day of the Lord is not upon us yet….for on that day God will unleash great wrath….It is coming soon to the world we created and live in….Let us not hasten it,but pray that we may survive it…
theodore: Let the judgment come forth from God! Have those that believe the words of Jesus been judged by his words? Are we not clean and made perfect by the words of Jesus from God? There remains no other or further sacrifice for sin!If Jesus' blood didn't cover sin and perfect the worshiper forever, then there is nothing left but wrath destroying evil.
Are you evil? Not if you believe Jesus cleansed you! Was the sacrifice of Jesus enough to perfect you before God? It better be!
The eternal word of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, came to earth, is coming, has come and will come, to each individual at the last day when that individual is judged, and will cut(like a two edged sword) away evil (beliefs of uncleanliness) from the righteous, through Christ, bind it (evil) and burn it(through forms of death like sickness and disease) as though like fire.
Then shall the righteous shine forth in the Kingdom, as was always intended, Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
The wrath of God is judgment against evil. Are you evil? Are you unclean? Are you unworthy? Are you in sin? Anyone who believes that these things are who and what they truly are shall be burned away and severed from the righteous.
Bless all, TK
Greetings Tim…..It is not place to declare what is evil and what is not….I can only declare that Iam justified to beg my salvation through Jesus and his sacrafice….
theodore: Where is your justification for begging salvation?Are you actually saying that Jesus died for your salvation so that you could beg for it?
It is proper place to accept any and all declarations from God through Jesus that are given to those who believe! Not those who beg! Begging for something that is already given freely to you is denial that it has been given. Love is giving not bgging. IMO, TK
January 4, 2011 at 9:16 am#231745theodorejParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 04 2011,00:47) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 03 2011,01:01) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 03 2011,00:19) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 02 2011,23:40) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 02 2011,21:28) WORSHIP SHOULD BE EVERY DAY. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD. TK
Hi Tim,Your right! …THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD!
It's time to burn up all the rudiments!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings Ed….. We may presently be under judgement and I might add a mercifull measured judgement at that….Surely the day of the Lord is not upon us yet….for on that day God will unleash great wrath….It is coming soon to the world we created and live in….Let us not hasten it,but pray that we may survive it…
theodore: Let the judgment come forth from God! Have those that believe the words of Jesus been judged by his words? Are we not clean and made perfect by the words of Jesus from God? There remains no other or further sacrifice for sin!If Jesus' blood didn't cover sin and perfect the worshiper forever, then there is nothing left but wrath destroying evil.
Are you evil? Not if you believe Jesus cleansed you! Was the sacrifice of Jesus enough to perfect you before God? It better be!
The eternal word of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, came to earth, is coming, has come and will come, to each individual at the last day when that individual is judged, and will cut(like a two edged sword) away evil (beliefs of uncleanliness) from the righteous, through Christ, bind it (evil) and burn it(through forms of death like sickness and disease) as though like fire.
Then shall the righteous shine forth in the Kingdom, as was always intended, Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
The wrath of God is judgment against evil. Are you evil? Are you unclean? Are you unworthy? Are you in sin? Anyone who believes that these things are who and what they truly are shall be burned away and severed from the righteous.
Bless all, TK
Greetings Tim…..It is not place to declare what is evil and what is not….I can only declare that Iam justified to beg my salvation through Jesus and his sacrafice….
theodore: Where is your justification for begging salvation?Are you actually saying that Jesus died for your salvation so that you could beg for it?
It is proper place to accept any and all declarations from God through Jesus that are given to those who believe! Not those who beg! Begging for something that is already given freely to you is denial that it has been given. Love is giving not bgging. IMO, TK
Greetings Tim….. It is with a humble spirit that I go before God and seek his mercy and forgiveness which is afforded all of us through the sacrafice of Jesus…..This is a gift not an entitlement and we are all justified to seek this gift that is freely given…..Blessed are the Humble for they shall be exalted….January 4, 2011 at 9:58 am#231748terrariccaParticipanttim
if someone make a call and says “anyone who comes to my class i will teach him carpentry for free ,and i will supply all the tools and books' just trust me and see”
now my question;would that offer prevent the student to work in the training to become carpenters,NO
that is what God is doing ,Christ came and offer to all men to be saved and he has supply the means,the way,but this not mean that we do not have to produce the deeds of that new trade or faith.
Pierre
January 4, 2011 at 10:47 am#231756Tim KraftParticipantQuote (theodorej @ Jan. 04 2011,19:16) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 04 2011,00:47) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 03 2011,01:01) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 03 2011,00:19) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 02 2011,23:40) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 02 2011,21:28) WORSHIP SHOULD BE EVERY DAY. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD. TK
Hi Tim,Your right! …THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD!
It's time to burn up all the rudiments!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings Ed….. We may presently be under judgement and I might add a mercifull measured judgement at that….Surely the day of the Lord is not upon us yet….for on that day God will unleash great wrath….It is coming soon to the world we created and live in….Let us not hasten it,but pray that we may survive it…
theodore: Let the judgment come forth from God! Have those that believe the words of Jesus been judged by his words? Are we not clean and made perfect by the words of Jesus from God? There remains no other or further sacrifice for sin!If Jesus' blood didn't cover sin and perfect the worshiper forever, then there is nothing left but wrath destroying evil.
Are you evil? Not if you believe Jesus cleansed you! Was the sacrifice of Jesus enough to perfect you before God? It better be!
The eternal word of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, came to earth, is coming, has come and will come, to each individual at the last day when that individual is judged, and will cut(like a two edged sword) away evil (beliefs of uncleanliness) from the righteous, through Christ, bind it (evil) and burn it(through forms of death like sickness and disease) as though like fire.
Then shall the righteous shine forth in the Kingdom, as was always intended, Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
The wrath of God is judgment against evil. Are you evil? Are you unclean? Are you unworthy? Are you in sin? Anyone who believes that these things are who and what they truly are shall be burned away and severed from the righteous.
Bless all, TK
Greetings Tim…..It is not place to declare what is evil and what is not….I can only declare that Iam justified to beg my salvation through Jesus and his sacrafice….
theodore: Where is your justification for begging salvation?Are you actually saying that Jesus died for your salvation so that you could beg for it?
It is proper place to accept any and all declarations from God through Jesus that are given to those who believe! Not those who beg! Begging for something that is already given freely to you is denial that it has been given. Love is giving not bgging. IMO, TK
Greetings Tim….. It is with a humble spirit that I go before God and seek his mercy and forgiveness which is afforded all of us through the sacrafice of Jesus…..This is a gift not an entitlement and we are all justified to seek this gift that is freely given…..Blessed are the Humble for they shall be exalted….
theodore: Humble is, I didn't deserve it, but through the great love of Christ Jesus he gave so I receive it and hold fast to it and won't let anyone take it from me.Humble is never begging. Please accept this in the kindness that I intend, NO SON OF GOD BEGS HIS FATHER!
There is great wrath/judgment on mankind right now. Sickness and disease and cancers are not life, they are death! They are like a fire of destruction. Can you hear spiritually? They destroy your health and finances and finally your life.The fires of destruction are burning NOW but in ingnorance we are allowing the destruction and blaming God. Death is no life. Death is not God or of God. Why do we allow it to destroy children of the living God??? IMO, TK
January 4, 2011 at 10:59 am#231759Tim KraftParticipantQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,19:58) tim if someone make a call and says “anyone who comes to my class i will teach him carpentry for free ,and i will supply all the tools and books' just trust me and see”
now my question;would that offer prevent the student to work in the training to become carpenters,NO
that is what God is doing ,Christ came and offer to all men to be saved and he has supply the means,the way,but this not mean that we do not have to produce the deeds of that new trade or faith.
Pierre
Pierre: How are you going to produce the deeds that Jesus did without the power/tools from God.Make no mistake: Any deed on earth that a man can do apart from God has nothing to do with God. Jesus said apart from the father I can do nothing. [nothing life giving or of the power works by faith]
PREACHING GOD WITHOUT THE POWER OF FAITH BEING EVIDENT IS WORTHLESS COMPARED TO WORKS OF HEALING POWER THAT SEAL THE TRUTH BY GOD!
Jesus is the tree of the life source of God. Every branch grafted into the tree partakes of the same life source as Jesus partook of. The only thing blocking the power from any or all believers is un-belief. Wrong thinking. Darkness has covered the truth/light. IMO, TK
January 4, 2011 at 11:04 am#231760Ed JParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 03 2011,20:54) Irene: God bless you, I believe it is impossible to be under grace, through faith in Christ Jesus, which is not of works (of the law) and also be under the (works of the) law. If we are saved by faith through grace then works are nullified! IMO, TK
Hi Tim,“The Law” is our schoolmaster, until our perfection graduates us.
(Galatians 3:24-25 / Hebrews 5:13-6:3 / Ephesians 5:12-13)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgJanuary 4, 2011 at 4:33 pm#231811terrariccaParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 05 2011,03:59) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 04 2011,19:58) tim if someone make a call and says “anyone who comes to my class i will teach him carpentry for free ,and i will supply all the tools and books' just trust me and see”
now my question;would that offer prevent the student to work in the training to become carpenters,NO
that is what God is doing ,Christ came and offer to all men to be saved and he has supply the means,the way,but this not mean that we do not have to produce the deeds of that new trade or faith.
Pierre
Pierre: How are you going to produce the deeds that Jesus did without the power/tools from God.Make no mistake: Any deed on earth that a man can do apart from God has nothing to do with God. Jesus said apart from the father I can do nothing. [nothing life giving or of the power works by faith]
PREACHING GOD WITHOUT THE POWER OF FAITH BEING EVIDENT IS WORTHLESS COMPARED TO WORKS OF HEALING POWER THAT SEAL THE TRUTH BY GOD!
Jesus is the tree of the life source of God. Every branch grafted into the tree partakes of the same life source as Jesus partook of. The only thing blocking the power from any or all believers is un-belief. Wrong thinking. Darkness has covered the truth/light. IMO, TK
Timwe do not need power tools,they are supplied by Gods spirit
we only plant seeds and watering but God does the major Job
he make it grow,
Pierre
January 5, 2011 at 11:26 am#232018theodorejParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 04 2011,20:47) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 04 2011,19:16) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 04 2011,00:47) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 03 2011,01:01) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 03 2011,00:19) Quote (theodorej @ Jan. 02 2011,23:40) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 02 2011,21:28) WORSHIP SHOULD BE EVERY DAY. THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD. TK
Hi Tim,Your right! …THIS IS THE DAY OF THE LORD!
It's time to burn up all the rudiments!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings Ed….. We may presently be under judgement and I might add a mercifull measured judgement at that….Surely the day of the Lord is not upon us yet….for on that day God will unleash great wrath….It is coming soon to the world we created and live in….Let us not hasten it,but pray that we may survive it…
theodore: Let the judgment come forth from God! Have those that believe the words of Jesus been judged by his words? Are we not clean and made perfect by the words of Jesus from God? There remains no other or further sacrifice for sin!If Jesus' blood didn't cover sin and perfect the worshiper forever, then there is nothing left but wrath destroying evil.
Are you evil? Not if you believe Jesus cleansed you! Was the sacrifice of Jesus enough to perfect you before God? It better be!
The eternal word of God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, came to earth, is coming, has come and will come, to each individual at the last day when that individual is judged, and will cut(like a two edged sword) away evil (beliefs of uncleanliness) from the righteous, through Christ, bind it (evil) and burn it(through forms of death like sickness and disease) as though like fire.
Then shall the righteous shine forth in the Kingdom, as was always intended, Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
The wrath of God is judgment against evil. Are you evil? Are you unclean? Are you unworthy? Are you in sin? Anyone who believes that these things are who and what they truly are shall be burned away and severed from the righteous.
Bless all, TK
Greetings Tim…..It is not place to declare what is evil and what is not….I can only declare that Iam justified to beg my salvation through Jesus and his sacrafice….
theodore: Where is your justification for begging salvation?Are you actually saying that Jesus died for your salvation so that you could beg for it?
It is proper place to accept any and all declarations from God through Jesus that are given to those who believe! Not those who beg! Begging for something that is already given freely to you is denial that it has been given. Love is giving not bgging. IMO, TK
Greetings Tim….. It is with a humble spirit that I go before God and seek his mercy and forgiveness which is afforded all of us through the sacrafice of Jesus…..This is a gift not an entitlement and we are all justified to seek this gift that is freely given…..Blessed are the Humble for they shall be exalted….
theodore: Humble is, I didn't deserve it, but through the great love of Christ Jesus he gave so I receive it and hold fast to it and won't let anyone take it from me.Humble is never begging. Please accept this in the kindness that I intend, NO SON OF GOD BEGS HIS FATHER!
There is great wrath/judgment on mankind right now. Sickness and disease and cancers are not life, they are death! They are like a fire of destruction. Can you hear spiritually? They destroy your health and finances and finally your life.The fires of destruction are burning NOW but in ingnorance we are allowing the destruction and blaming God. Death is no life. Death is not God or of God. Why do we allow it to destroy children of the living God??? IMO, TK
Greetings Tim…..There will be disease,famine and earthquakes as well as wars and rumors of wars in diverse places,but don't let your heart be troubled for these are the signs of the times….We must pay attention to the frequency of these occurances to see that we are in the end of days,however,the day of the Lord is not upon us yet….ON that day God will unleash a fury that cause mens hearts to grow weak and there will be those who will try to hide…..God Spare Us That Day….January 5, 2011 at 11:57 am#232020Tim KraftParticipantTheodore: If you will study everything that happened shortly after Jesus said those things and look and see the great upheaval and destruction that came between then and when the old temple was torn down you will find that those words were fulfilled and completed. However if you and others wish to look forward to pain, death, and destruction so be it. You can make a choice of what you wish to believe from the Bible. The truth is hidden FOR those who are heirs of salvation not from. Surrface truth is common and accepted by the masses [wide is the gate that leads to destruction]. Narrow is the way of the truth and few(in comparison) find it.
We will see our futures in the same way we see our God. What we believe God is and what we believe God will do is what we believe and accept for our lives. He has set before us life/good and death/evil and given us the choice which to believe came from him.
Your soul will witness the truth of God to you. If you feel the warm love of God with peace then you have chosen truth correctly. If you feel fear and antisipate death, destruction, hurt and pain you have not chosen the truth.
This is a great day for those who accept the salvation package of Jesus but it is a terrible day of burning fires like cancers, sicknesses and diseases that destroy life for those who believe in destruction. God has blessed all that believe. IMO, TK
January 5, 2011 at 12:03 pm#232021theodorejParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 05 2011,21:57) Theodore: If you will study everything that happened shortly after Jesus said those things and look and see the great upheaval and destruction that came between then and when the old temple was torn down you will find that those words were fulfilled and completed. However if you and others wish to look forward to pain, death, and destruction so be it. You can make a choice of what you wish to believe from the Bible. The truth is hidden FOR those who are heirs of salvation not from. Surrface truth is common and accepted by the masses [wide is the gate that leads to destruction]. Narrow is the way of the truth and few(in comparison) find it. We will see our futures in the same way we see our God. What we believe God is and what we believe God will do is what we believe and accept for our lives. He has set before us life/good and death/evil and given us the choice which to believe came from him.
Your soul will witness the truth of God to you. If you feel the warm love of God with peace then you have chosen truth correctly. If you feel fear and antisipate death, destruction, hurt and pain you have not chosen the truth.
This is a great day for those who accept the salvation package of Jesus but it is a terrible day of burning fires like cancers, sicknesses and diseases that destroy life for those who believe in destruction. God has blessed all that believe. IMO, TK
Greetings Tim…..Life has been to kind to me and Iam not looking forward to pain and suffering….We must contemplate the fact that scripture and prophecy share a duality by design….once we accept that…it is not difficult to see that the light on the other end of the tunnel is a Train….January 5, 2011 at 2:05 pm#232030Tim KraftParticipanttheodore: God bless your choice. According to your faith it shall be done unto you. Jesus came to save those in sin and darkness, under heavy burdens, stress, pain and agony etc., and so he did. Yet all they have to do (with their powerful annointed mind of Christ) is believe the good news, goodness, gospel of God, through Jesus, to be saved. God is not willing that any should perish! TK
January 6, 2011 at 11:54 am#232166theodorejParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 06 2011,00:05) theodore: God bless your choice. According to your faith it shall be done unto you. Jesus came to save those in sin and darkness, under heavy burdens, stress, pain and agony etc., and so he did. Yet all they have to do (with their powerful annointed mind of Christ) is believe the good news, goodness, gospel of God, through Jesus, to be saved. God is not willing that any should perish! TK
Greetings Tim…. My faith dictates that if you seek God and his mercy with a humble heart he will bless you with wisdom and understanding and this is a result of the sacrafice that Jesus made in conjunction with the grace and goodness of the father that makes this possible….I truly believe that God wants no one to perish,however the sad fact is that because of bad education,bad example and in some cases out and out lies there will be those that will perish and for this reason Iam forever in search of truth and God given understanding and wisdom…January 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm#232182Tim KraftParticipantRemember, God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, FOR THIS REASON—that WHOSOEVER SHOULD BELIEVE IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, DIE, HURT, PAIN, SUFFER, BUT HAVE ETERNAL, PERFECTED, CLEANSED, PURIFIED, EVERLASTIN LIFE, IN GOD!
We are in the world but not of the world. Can we believe strong enough in our heavenly Father to walk through the valley of the shadow of death and fear no evil. Though a thousand fall to my right side and to my left side can I believe it will not come nigh me!
These are the true tests of faith. Walk among the sick but not be affected. Being in the battle but not of the battle! That faith in God to me. IMO, TK
January 9, 2011 at 2:33 am#232511terrariccaParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 07 2011,08:45) Remember, God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, FOR THIS REASON—that WHOSOEVER SHOULD BELIEVE IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, DIE, HURT, PAIN, SUFFER, BUT HAVE ETERNAL, PERFECTED, CLEANSED, PURIFIED, EVERLASTIN LIFE, IN GOD! We are in the world but not of the world. Can we believe strong enough in our heavenly Father to walk through the valley of the shadow of death and fear no evil. Though a thousand fall to my right side and to my left side can I believe it will not come nigh me!
These are the true tests of faith. Walk among the sick but not be affected. Being in the battle but not of the battle! That faith in God to me. IMO, TK
Timcould you put a few scriptures to back up your claim
no need much just a few
Pierre
January 9, 2011 at 11:15 am#232542Tim KraftParticipantPierre: Gladly, John 3:16 and John 17:14 to 24 and Psalm 23 and Psalm 91:7 are a great start. Bless you, TK
January 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm#232549terrariccaParticipantQuote (Tim Kraft @ Jan. 10 2011,04:15) Pierre: Gladly, John 3:16 and John 17:14 to 24 and Psalm 23 and Psalm 91:7 are a great start. Bless you, TK
TimJoh;3;16;promese of eternal live to come;
Joh'17;14-24;;this is a promese for the things to comePsm;23;also things to come.
Psm;91;7;this is also to come ,in and at the second resurrection of the judgment at the end.
January 9, 2011 at 2:48 pm#232558Tim KraftParticipantPierre: How sad that you think these things are for the future. They come or are manifest when an individual believes them and holds fast his faith in them! The promises of God are now, by faith, not some future time. If Jesus were to come back and every eye would see then where would faith be? New Testament truth will come to each individual on the last day! When is the last day? When the light comes it is the day. No more darkness to those who are in the light by faith. The day you accept them as truth for your life is the day of the Lord! It will be different for every individual on earth. At one time or another every (understanding) eye will see the lord(word of God) coming(or manifesting in his life). Its a personal walk by faith with God through Jesus!! The Kingdom of God does not come with observation.Luke 17:20—
A perfect lie or deception of the truth, that could seem to negate the words of God would be a belief that now is not the time. All things will be later. The future never becomes the now!!! It is always future. If you won't be saved until the future you are dead where you stand.
Faith is the connection to God NOW! For those who believe Jesus there is no second resurrection or future judgment. Those are mis-understood distortions of doctrines from the Revelation of John. It is appointed for man once to die, then comes the judgment. Like Paul said, I died, its no longer me that lives but Christ in me. The word of Jesus in me. The truth of God in me. I am become a new man in Christ. All the old dirty, sinful, unclean, worthless beliefs are cleansed and purified by the word of God.
Jesus, the word of God that you hear or read, enters you now and judges you. If the words of Jesus say you are clean and you accept and believe that, then God has just judged you as forever clean by that word. What further judgment could there be.Once God cleans you then you are clean forever, if you believe. If you then begin to believe in the things you do or don't do as the way to be clean you have stepped away from faith and taken on unclean works for perfection. Jesus spoke the words of God and if God says it, it is so!
The referrence to being dead in sin is because of the separation between God and you/mankind that happens with a sin consciousness. If you believe you are in sin, then you can have no part with God. God has no sin. You were dead in sin but Jesus (the word of God) raised you up by cleansing you of all sin IF YOU BELIEVE THE WORDS OF JESUS! If you believe then you are raised up and seated with Christ in heavenly places. If you continue to believe it is sometime in the future you are dead in sin! Its your choice. He did the work for your perfection but it only perfects you IF YOU BELIEVE IT PERFECTS YOU!
The end of time is when you believe and accept the eternal words of Christ. Once you enter into eternal truth there is no time or distance. ALL ARE ONE! Only by faith are you saved, not by works or deeds of kindness. Bless you, TK
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