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Wakeup………Ask yourself this, why woulod the Lamb “RECIEVE IT” After all you believe He was God Almighty all along right, and another point is i do not see where it say they “WORSHIPED” HIM. That is a major problem of yours, you change wording to force the text to say what it does not 'SPECIFICALLY SAY” ,well you certainly are not alone when it comes to that. I mayself will never worship Jesus, i will worship the GOD he WORSHIPS.
I have told you before you have bought into the LIE, which is exactly what Satan want everyone to do brother. IMO
peace and love to you AND YOURS……………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 23 2014,04:02) Wakeup………Ask yourself this, why woulod the Lamb “RECIEVE IT” After all you believe He was God Almighty all along right, and another point is i do not see where it say they “WORSHIPED” HIM. That is a major problem of yours, you change wording to force the text to say what it does not 'SPECIFICALLY SAY” ,well you certainly are not alone when it comes to that. I mayself will never worship Jesus, i will worship the GOD he WORSHIPS. I have told you before you have bought into the LIE, which is exactly what Satan want everyone to do brother. IMO
peace and love to you AND YOURS……………………..gene
Gene.Again: you are ignoring scriptures.
Jesus was worshipped by the three wise men since He was born.(this is in scripture).
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith,
***And let all the angels of God worship him***.This is scripture;and you are denying scriptures and call your
self faithful and true servant?You need to read my posts carefully before you make your comment. I said Jesus was the *WORD OF GOD*
made flesh. I did not say Jesus is God.wakeup.
Wakeup……You can worship anyone you or angels want to , As many worship many things, but as for me I will never “WORSHIP” JESUS or Angels , or any other thing in existence except the ONE AND “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, you and anyone else can WORSHIP whom ever you chose, I Will NOT, BUT I will worship MY GOD and Jesus' GOD , my FATHER and His Father.
You must not have Read in Revelations, Where we are Told, to Worship GOD. Remember when John started to worship the one talking to him , and he told him not to, but said he was like us and then said Worship GOD, he did not say worship Jesus “AND” GOD. Jesus is not A GOD I have a GOD. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,12:16) Wakeup……You can worship anyone you or angels want to , As many worship many things, but as for me I will never “WORSHIP” JESUS or Angels , or any other thing in existence except the ONE AND “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, you and anyone else can WORSHIP whom ever you chose, I Will NOT, BUT I will worship MY GOD and Jesus' GOD , my FATHER and His GOD. You must not have Read in Revelations Where we are Told to Worship GOD. Remember when John started to worship the one talking to him , and he told him not to, but said he was like us and then said Worship GOD, he did not say worship Jesus but GOD.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene
Geneb.Quote Wakeup……You can worship anyone you or angels want to , As many worship many things, but as for me I will never “WORSHIP” JESUS or Angels , or any other thing in existence except the ONE AND “ONLY” “TRUE” GOD, you and anyone else can WORSHIP whom ever you chose, I Will NOT, BUT I will worship MY GOD and Jesus' GOD , my FATHER and His GOD. Quote
BUT I will worship MY GOD **and Jesus' GOD** , my FATHER and His GOD.WHAT IS THIS WORD PLAY?? YOU WORSHIP JESUS OR YOU DONT.
TO WORSHIP JESUS IS TO WORSHIP THE WORD OF GOD.Quote
You must not have Read in Revelations Where we are Told to Worship GOD. Remember when John started to worship the one talking to him , and he told him not to, but said he was like us and then said Worship GOD, he did not say worship Jesus but GOD.YES; YOU HAVE THE SON ;YOU ALSO HAVE THE FATHER.
FOR THE SON ALSO IS GOD'S OWN WORD.YOU CONSIDER JESUS AS MOSES, AND THE PROPHETS.
AS THE MUSLEMS DO.GOD AND THE LAMB IS WORSHIPPED IN HEAVEN.
GOD AND HIS WORD IS WORSHIPPED IN HEAVEN.
IF YOU DONT WORSHIP GOD'S WORD;YOU DONT WORSHIP GOD.wakeup.
Wakeup……Show me one scripture that “SPECIFICALLY says God and the Lamb are “WORSHIPED” . God his word are one and the same thing, and neither is Jesus, God's word or words. According to what Jesus Said anyway, but you people can believe what ever you all want to. You can change all the words written to come out anyway you want Wakeup. But I notice you produce no SPECIFIC Scriptures, just scripture you can people can add you interruptions to.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,13:37) Wakeup……Show me one scripture that “SPECIFICALLY says God and the Lamb are “WORSHIPED” . God his word are one and the same thing, and neither is Jesus, God's word or words. According to what Jesus Said anyway, but you people can believe what ever you all want to. You can change all the words written to come out anyway you want Wakeup. But I notice you produce no SPECIFIC Scriptures, just scripture you can people can add you interruptions to. Peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene
Gene.Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
THE LAMB IS WORSHIPPED.
Revelation 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
WORTHY IS THE LAMB TO BE WORSHIPPED.
BECAUSE HE ALSO IS GOD'S WORD.You say that Jesus was created ON EARTH to carry the Word.
What exactly do you believe?wakeup.
Wakeup……..Where do you see the words the four beasts and the twenty four elders “WORSHIPED” the lamb. Falling down before him is not the same as worshiping , it is far from saying they were WORSHIPING Him. Do you think that when a kings servants bow down before him, they are worshiping him? Do you see the word WORSHIP in Rev 5:12.and do you see because he IS THE WORD OF GOD?
And where did I ever say Jesus was created on earth to carry Gods Word. Please post where I posted that. You are doing the same thing with my words as you do scriptures adding Thought, YOUR thoughts, not mine Wakeup. AND even if Jesus conveyed “GOD'S WORDS TO US , They still we're NOT “HIS” WORDS NOW WERE THEY.?
Again, adding words and thoughts, here and there, and you can make scriptures say and thing you want them to, many do that here, so fill right at home.
Wakeup, FIRST RULE IN SEEKING TRUTH, IS NEVER FORCE THE TEXT BY ADDING YOUR OWN THOUGHTS TO WHAT IS WRITTEN. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,14:52) Wakeup……..Where do you see the words the four beasts and the twenty four elders “WORSHIPED” the lamb. Falling down before him is not the same as worshiping , it is far from saying they were WORSHIPING Him. Do you think that when a kings servants bow down before him, they are worshiping him? Do you see the word WORSHIP in Rev 5:12.and do you see because he IS THE WORD OF GOD? And where did I ever say Jesus was created on earth to carry Gods Word. Please post where I posted that. You are doing the same thing with my words as you do scriptures adding Thought, YOUR thoughts, not mine Wakeup.
Again add words and thought here and there and you can make scriptures say and thing you want them to, many do that here so fill right at home.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Gene.Did you not say that Jesus was not; before He was born?
That He was not from the beginning?Explain exactly who He is.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,15:01) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,14:52) Wakeup……..Where do you see the words the four beasts and the twenty four elders “WORSHIPED” the lamb. Falling down before him is not the same as worshiping , it is far from saying they were WORSHIPING Him. Do you think that when a kings servants bow down before him, they are worshiping him? Do you see the word WORSHIP in Rev 5:12.and do you see because he IS THE WORD OF GOD? And where did I ever say Jesus was created on earth to carry Gods Word. Please post where I posted that. You are doing the same thing with my words as you do scriptures adding Thought, YOUR thoughts, not mine Wakeup.
Again add words and thought here and there and you can make scriptures say and thing you want them to, many do that here so fill right at home.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Gene.Did you not say that Jesus was not; before He was born?
That He was not from the beginning?Explain exactly who He is.
wakeup.
WAKEUP ….. Jesus is MY Human lord (adoni) (human leader, appointed by ) MY GOD and HIS GOD, MY Father and His Father. He is MY “BROTHER”, THE king in, The FAMILY OF GOD which I am a member of.We Both HAVE the EXACT SAME GOD. who We BOTH Worship. He was born the same way I was through a human mother, he came into existence EXACTLY as I DID, HE is a PURE HUMAN BEING From his berth even until Now. NOT One ounce of differencE between Him and I we are both of the human kind and will always be. He is a son of man just as he said he was 80 times in the New Testament . What part of his words you do not believe Wakeup?
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,15:12) Quote (Wakeup @ June 25 2014,15:01) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2014,14:52) Wakeup……..Where do you see the words the four beasts and the twenty four elders “WORSHIPED” the lamb. Falling down before him is not the same as worshiping , it is far from saying they were WORSHIPING Him. Do you think that when a kings servants bow down before him, they are worshiping him? Do you see the word WORSHIP in Rev 5:12.and do you see because he IS THE WORD OF GOD? And where did I ever say Jesus was created on earth to carry Gods Word. Please post where I posted that. You are doing the same thing with my words as you do scriptures adding Thought, YOUR thoughts, not mine Wakeup.
Again add words and thought here and there and you can make scriptures say and thing you want them to, many do that here so fill right at home.
Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Gene.Did you not say that Jesus was not; before He was born?
That He was not from the beginning?Explain exactly who He is.
wakeup.
WAKEUP ….. Jesus is MY Human lord (adoni) (human leader, appointed by ) MY GOD and HIS GOD, MY Father and His Father. He is MY “BROTHER”, THE king in, The FAMILY OF GOD which I am a member of.We Both HAVE the EXACT SAME GOD. who We BOTH Worship.
Peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Geneb.That is not what you said before.
Quote To All……Here is a list of LIES Which Satan and his teachers have placed in his Churches by order off importance, and there are many spinoffs from them, that have confused people in those churches. 1…….. Jesus is a God
2………Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth
3………Jesus already had the Holy Spirit before he received it at the
Jordan River4……… The Soul is a different Part of a Physical human being that
Detaches from a man when he dies and remain still alive.What's happening?
wakeup.
Wakeup……..How does what i have said before differ from what i am sayoing now? Please try to be specific brother.
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2014,01:07) Wakeup……..How does what i have said before differ from what i am sayoing now? Please try to be specific brother. peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Geneb.You said
Quote Quote
To All……Here is a list of LIES Which Satan and his teachers have placed in his Churches by order off importance, and there are many spinoffs from them, that have confused people in those churches.1…….. Jesus is a God
2………Jesus preexisted his berth on this earth
3………Jesus already had the Holy Spirit before he received it at the
Jordan River4……… The Soul is a different Part of a Physical human being that
Detaches from a man when he dies and remain still alive.THE LIST OF SUPPOSED LIES IN QUOTE ABOVE.
1. JESUS IS GOD.THIS IS NOT A LIE BUT A
MISUNDERSTANDING AND NOT ACCURATE.
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH.2.YOU ARE SAYING THAT JESUS WAS NOT: BEFORE HIS
BIRTH. I SAY HE WAS BEFORE ALL THINGS.
HE CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN.3.YOU ARE SAYING THAT JESUS HAD NOT THE HS AT BIRTH.
ONLY AFTER AT THE JORDAN. I SAID JESUS WAS
WORSHIPPD BY THE WISEMAN AT BIRTH.4.I CAN AGREE WITH THIS: THE SOUL IS OUR WORKS
IN OUR LIFETIME,AND IS PRESERVED FOR JUDGEMENT.YOU SAID YOU WORSHIP JESUS GOD. I SAID:
WHAT IS THIS JESUS GOD STUFF.
THIS IS SO CONFUSING.Who is deceived here?
wakeup.
Wakeup………I said clearly i do “NOT” Worship Jesus Not now or ever WILL. You can not produce one place where i ever said i Worshiped Jesus. I stand by every thing i have written about the LIEs of SATAN and HIS MINISTERS false preachers.
I say GOD and HIS WORD are ONE and the Same thing, Just as you and your Words ARE, the Same. Jesus Never once said He was the WORD of GOD, but Just the oppisite, He said the Words he spoke WERE NOT “HIS WORDS”.
I have alway said GOD was “IN” Jesus, reconcilling the World unto himself, JUST as HE can and is in anyone who has his Hoily Spirit in them, he can Speaking “THROUGH” them also, he can do this “THROUGH” Anyone.
Your problem is Wakeup, you are not believeing what Jesus Said , but what you want and your past preachers and teachers have told you, you need to drop all of that, and start A new, and let the Spirit of Truth teach you, and you will come to see everything I was telling you Brother, just as it says come out of Her my people and be not partakers of her sins that you recieve not of her pleagues, (the pleague of BABYLON is confusion, blindness and ignorance) this is the pleages of BABYLON THE GREAT it is (confusion).
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
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