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  • #45288
    NickHassan
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    Hi Is 1.18,
    Not head stuff anyway.
    Heart stuff.

    #45289
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    What's your interpretation?

    #45302
    NickHassan
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    Hi Is 1.18,
    Through Christ we can access the throne of glory and call on our Dad. He is never slow to reply with blessings.

    #45313
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    That's your interpretation of:

    “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

    ???

    #45315
    NickHassan
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    Hi Is 1.18,
    Christ is the door.
    Christ revealed the Father within his vessel.
    The fullness of deity could be seen in Christ-every aspect of God's nature and power.
    That vessel had to be empty to allow that to happen.
    Christ the submitted servant.
    We follow him.

    #45320
    Is 1:18
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    Christ revealed the Father within his vessel.
    The fullness of deity could be seen in Christ-every aspect of God's nature and power.
    That vessel had to be empty to allow that to happen.
    Christ the submitted servant.


    Couldn't all this be said of Paul? or Peter? They also were filled with the Holy Spirit.

    This being the case, could they also have rightly said to someone:

    “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

    #45323
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Is 1.18,
    Paul said, speaking of the Spirit of Christ given from the Spirit of God.
    Galatians 2:20
    I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    We are in Christ in God.
    God is in us through Christ

    #45327
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    Well that's great, but it didn't really answer my question….

    #45329
    NickHassan
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    Hi Is 1.18,
    Paul and Peter preached Christ crucified because all the treasures of God are hidden in him and available from God ONLY through faith in him.

    Acts 3
    10And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.

    11And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's, greatly wondering.

    12And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

    13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

    14But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

    15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

    16And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

    17And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

    18But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

    19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

    20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: “

    #45338
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    I still haven't been answered, never mind – I expect that now.

    #45342
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Is 1.18,
    Paul knew the Father and the Spirit of Christ in him cried out to that God.
    Rom 8
    “14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

    16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. “

    Note Christ is not God but the heir of God as we are also in him. Christ spoke in prayer to his Father and Christ in us as Spirit follws him.

    Mk 14
    “36And He was saying, “Abba! Father! All things are possible for You; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will.”
    Gal 4
    “6Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

    #56524
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    The gospel was sent to all men urging them to repent and be reborn from above.
    All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
    So all men need to be saved.
    There is only one way.
    Jesus is the way.
    He is the gate.
    One mediator between God and men.
    There is only one name under heaven by which men can be saved.

    #56534
    chosenone
    Participant

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 18 2007,20:05)

    Quote
    Christ revealed the Father within his vessel.
    The fullness of deity could be seen in Christ-every aspect of God's nature and power.
    That vessel had to be empty to allow that to happen.
    Christ the submitted servant.


    Couldn't all this be said of Paul? or Peter? They also were filled with the Holy Spirit.

    This being the case, could they also have rightly said to someone:

    “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”


    Hi Is.1:18.
    May I try and answer your question? Hope you don't mind.
    I would say,no, only Christ was the “image of the invisable God”. and also Jesus said, “No one comes to me except the Father draw him”. Although Paul and Peter had the holy spirit of God, they were not the image of the invisable God, and only God gives the Holy spirit, through Christ Jesus, the mediater between Man and God. So Paul and Peter could not give the holy spirit, they were apostles of God, they preached salvation through faith, not their own. but the faith of Christ Jesus.(Ro.3:22). So they could not rightly say “If you had known Me, you would…etc.

    Blessings.

    #56537
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi CO,
    So Christ is the image of God.
    We too are made in the image of God.
    Christ was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.
    The body of Christ share his gifts and together act with him as Christ on earth.

    Why does the divine origins relate to his ability to be for us the source of the Spirit that indwelled and empowered him? Surely it does not directly relate but he was chosen for that purpose by God. The apostles were reborn from above and empowered in the same way and when they laid hands on new believers they too shared that Spirit.

    But no individual except Christ was filled with the fullness of the deity of God.
    No other human vessel could say what Jesus could.
    They only shared in part that One Spirit.

    #56588
    chosenone
    Participant

    Nick.
    We are not made in the image God. Most bibles have incorrectly translated this passage. Obviously, we are not like Jesus, but we will be (Joint heirs) at the consummation, when creation is completed. The correct translation is this:

    And creating is the Alueim 'humanity in His image. In the image of the Alueim He creats it'. Male and female He creates them.

    Notice the word 'creating', meaning that it is not finished. “He is creating humanity”, he goes on to say He creates them male and female.
    At the consummation, when creation is completed, then we will be in the image of God, we will be perfected, as is Christ Jesus now.

    Blessings.

    #56625
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi CO,
    When the table is assembled some will be asked to leave.
    They are not garbed correctly.
    Be clothed in the Son.

    #56670
    chosenone
    Participant

    Nick.
    What did you think about the “God is creating man in His image”?

    Blessings.

    #56692
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi CO,
    Those reborn from above have the Spirit come to live in them and if allowed that Spirit conquers our occupied promised land, such that we can say with Paul that it is no longer I that liveth but Christ that liveth in me.
    Of course we have to seek first the kingdom. Until we go through the gate of Jesus it is all vain philosophy.

    #56719
    chosenone
    Participant

    All this human philosophy makes my head spin, what nonsence!

    Blessings.

    #56730
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi CO,
    Can you not yet see the kingdom?
    You must be reborn from above.

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