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Hi,
Romans 10 is often offered as a new way of salvation.
Romans 10
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Context shows it is not a new way.
Written to the saved Jews.
Written in relation to Joel 2-the future.Hi,
GB says we are saved by the Spirit.
Peter insisted those with Cornelius be baptised in water after they had been baptised with the Spirit[Acts10]
He learned at the feet of Jesus but now men think they know better?Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2004,09:03) In your teaching on salvation you make serious doctrinal errors. You say Jesus is the Firstborn and mankind is saved by Jesus. You ignore the command of Jesus that we too 'must be born again of water and The Holy Spirit'. You teach that a simple intellectual assent and prayer are sufficient to achieve that salvation. That ignores the demonstration of the meaning shown by the followers of Jesus in Acts who brought sinners to salvation through repentance ,baptism and the laying on of hands to receive the Spirit.If salvation is not taught correctly then the door is being barred to your followers so the rest is irrelevant. NICK
The new birth is crystallized in the familiar words: “you must be born anew” (John 3:7). Our elaboration of it must be sought either in the words of the Lord Jesus, of those who heard Him, or in the Hebrew revelation. It was a matter which Nicodemus ought to have known and taught in Israel, for the prophets had much to say regarding it. Actually, it is the new covenant stated in a few words. What the new covenant brings to Israel is the measure of the significance of the new birth.
A detail of the words “you must be born anew,” which is usually ignored, is that the word “you” is plural. This is not the only case where the plural pronoun is of importance in guiding understanding. The plural speaks of the nation of Israel and not of individuals. An example is seen in Matthew 5:14, “You are the light of the world.” So also the words of John 3:7 indicate that it is Israel’s sons as a whole, as a nation, which must be born anew. The prophet Isaiah speaks of a nation born at one time (Isa.66:8).
The establishing of Israel in the kingdom of God was the basis of the Messiah’s ministry to them. He refers to the time when He, the Son of Mankind, will sit on His glorious throne, as the regeneration, or more suitably as the renascence (Matt. 19:28). The import of such a feature indicates that birth illustrates matters regarding the kingdom on the earth, of which Israel is the chosen center.
Entrance into the kingdom is by the new birth. This is the truth insisted upon to Nicodemus, one of Israel’s teachers. It is the truth which applies to Israel only, within the scope of the promises confined to them alone. It is not truth for the present administration.Blessings.
Above explanation regarding “being born again” is for Nick. (or anyone else who is interested)
Blessings.
Hi CO,
You appoint yourself to be one one who applies the applications of God's words alone to?
Just because his primary mission was to Israel does not make those words always invalid for others.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2008,16:07) Hi CO,
You appoint yourself to be one one who applies the applications of God's words alone to?
Just because his primary mission was to Israel does not make those words always invalid for others.
Hi Nick.
In that era, Gods dealings were for the Jews only. See Eph.2:11-12… 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.
You see Nick, scripture reaveals that your statement is incorrect, you have to “correctly cut the word of truth” 2Tim.2:15.
All scripture is FOR us, but not all scripure is ABOUT us.Blessings.
Hi CO,
His mission was to the Jews but his words are everlastingly efficacious.
He spoke with the greeks and healed the daughter of the Syrophoenician woman.
Paul's words were for neither the unsaved gentiles or Jews so what have you got left?Hi CO,
You insist on context.
Yet you say
“Entrance into the kingdom is by the new birth. This is the truth insisted upon to Nicodemus, one of Israel’s teachers. It is the truth which applies to Israel only, within the scope of the promises confined to them alone. It is not truth for the present administration. “Why should it apply to all Israel if only Nicodemus was spoken to privately??
You must be consistent surely?The word “you” in Greek this instance was “plural”. If when speaking to Nicodemus only, the singular Greek word for “you” would have been used. Always consistant.
Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ June 14 2008,16:59) The new birth is crystallized in the familiar words: “you must be born anew” (John 3:7). Our elaboration of it must be sought either in the words of the Lord Jesus, of those who heard Him, or in the Hebrew revelation. It was a matter which Nicodemus ought to have known and taught in Israel, for the prophets had much to say regarding it. Actually, it is the new covenant stated in a few words. What the new covenant brings to Israel is the measure of the significance of the new birth.
A detail of the words “you must be born anew,” which is usually ignored, is that the word “you” is plural. This is not the only case where the plural pronoun is of importance in guiding understanding. The plural speaks of the nation of Israel and not of individuals. An example is seen in Matthew 5:14, “You are the light of the world.” So also the words of John 3:7 indicate that it is Israel’s sons as a whole, as a nation, which must be born anew. The prophet Isaiah speaks of a nation born at one time (Isa.66:8).
The establishing of Israel in the kingdom of God was the basis of the Messiah’s ministry to them. He refers to the time when He, the Son of Mankind, will sit on His glorious throne, as the regeneration, or more suitably as the renascence (Matt. 19:28). The import of such a feature indicates that birth illustrates matters regarding the kingdom on the earth, of which Israel is the chosen center.
Entrance into the kingdom is by the new birth. This is the truth insisted upon to Nicodemus, one of Israel’s teachers. It is the truth which applies to Israel only, within the scope of the promises confined to them alone. It is not truth for the present administration.Blessings.
Nick,
Read this again, you may understand it this time.Nick,
I have already given you the explanation twice! Reread it, you may learn something.Blessings,
.Hi Nick.
What part of the explanation do you not understand? This is not “my doctrine”, just say what part of this explanation you don't agree with, and we can go on from there. Just a generalized opinion makes no sense to anyone, let alone trying to figure out what your problem is.Blessings.
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