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Hi CO,
Grace and peace came through Jesus Christ.
He is the door to the kingdom
Seek first the kingdomG,
Yes we are aware that you put aside the sacred teachings in search of your god of intellect.
To what purpose as there is no such god that can save you?NH.
1Tim.4:9-11 …9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind,
11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.Believe scripture, Not your own “one eternal Gospel for all”, you are blind to the truth.
Nock……….prove what you are accusing me of , instead of just mouthing off then. Show me where i am putting aside the sacred teachings for my so called god of intellect? imo
peace and love………………….gene
NH.
You still preach repentance, yet are unable to say of what we should repent??? You don't know yourself, do you?Hi CO,
Yes it is sad that you have not yet found anything.
Others could help but it is better to look yourself.NIck……The GOD of all intellect is who created this whole world and everything in it, can't you see that?
peace and love……………..gene
NIck……….YOU failed to look up the meaning of the words i posted didn't you , so you still swim in ignorance. and yes it is written but you are not able to understand it. sad. IMO
peace and love………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 11 2009,15:13) Hi CO,
Yes it is sad that you have not yet found anything.
Others could help but it is better to look yourself.
NH.
I can't find it, because it isn't there. You would show me if you could find it, but you can't because it doesn't exist!Gene wrote:
Quote Why do you egnore all the other scriptures that say Salvation is a (GIFT) of GOD, and (NOT) a work of MAN. (NOT) of WORKS lest any should (BOAST) .
I have not yet stated my conclusion but I have submitted some evidence to be considered that you seem not to believe.
My conclusion is that I believe that God saves us and that we save ourselves and that both are true without contradicting one another. I am not saying that each party does part of the saving since that is not what scripture states. I am saying that an individual cannot save themselves without God and that God is not acting unless a person strives to save themselves.
You instead sound like the man on the roof of a flooded house who asks God to rescue him and then when a rescue boat comes along turns it down because it is not a “miraculous” rescue. It is written “Do not put the Lord your God to the test”.
Kerwin………You appear to be talking out of both sides of you mouth , on the one hand you say a person can not save himself, on the other hand, GOD is limited to act unless the person is striving to save himself. So you set limits for GOD, But scripture disagree with you. “For you (ARE SAVED) by GRACE and that (NOT) of Yourselves , it is a GIFT of GOD, (NOT OF WORKS) Lest any should Boast. Your personal summation of all the scriptures that say it is a work of GOD ALONE that saves us, only if we strive to save ourselves is in error. Trusting in GOD for salvation Through the operation of FAITH has nothing to do with tempting Him. GOD also said to PROVE ME, Have you truly done that yet? “When the son of man comes will he find FAITH on the earth”. I doubt it, because people do not look for the Hand of GOD in their lives, but trust in themselves for their salvation, a work of self. But will become quite disappointed when they come to Jesus and He profess to them i know you NOT. You (WORKERS) of iniquity. They really thought they were of GOD by (THEIR) works.
peace and love………………….gene
Quote (Gene @ May 11 2009,21:17) Kerwin………You appear to be talking out of both sides of you mouth , on the one hand you say a person can not save himself, on the other hand, GOD is limited to act unless the person is striving to save himself. So you set limits for GOD, But scripture disagree with you. “For you (ARE SAVED) by GRACE and that (NOT) of Yourselves , it is a GIFT of GOD, (NOT OF WORKS) Lest any should Boast. Your personal summation of all the scriptures that say it is a work of GOD ALONE that saves us, only if we strive to save ourselves is in error. Trusting in GOD for salvation Through the operation of FAITH has nothing to do with tempting Him. GOD also said to PROVE ME, Have you truly done that yet? “When the son of man comes will he find FAITH on the earth”. I doubt it, because people do not look for the Hand of GOD in their lives, but trust in themselves for their salvation, a work of self. But will become quite disappointed when they come to Jesus and He profess to them i know you NOT. You (WORKERS) of iniquity. They really thought they were of GOD by (THEIR) works. peace and love………………….gene
You are contradicting God who commands people to save themselves.You need to got to God and ask him to explain how he alone saves a person while that person also saves themselves because unless you are lead by Him you will not understand the explanation I give not will you understand scripture. In fact you will not need an explanation from me if you get an explanation from God.
Kerwin……..good way to worm out of explaining you perceptions of What GOD will do and What he won't do. As i have told Nick you can't corner a snake in a brier patch. And what makes you so sure I haven went to GOD and Had him explain to me, are you asserting if we don't agree with you we haven went to GOD, because what he has shown us disagree with you? Just answer the posted scriptures if you can and quite pulling a Nick by trying to change subject matter. IMO
peace and love……………………..gene
G,
Philosophising about the how grace saves men may or may not help you support your theory that all will be saved but you would be better to get up from your comfortable armchair and follow Jesus who is walking far ahead and following him is the task.Well, salvation is a gift from God. None of us could be saved withouth the sacrifice of our Lord Jesus, but if you have been born again, you will obey the Word of God out of your love for God and out of your love for humanity. James in his epistle rightly states that faith without works is dead. Listen, you won't be saved if you are not obeying the Word of God. We will make mistakes and so, we are not saved by works in that we did not obey the Word of God without making a mistake. Therefore, the scripture states that salvation is by faith so that it might be by grace and not of works that any man should boast. But the scriptures also state:
Quote 1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Quote 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty You are right that Faith without works is dead. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount will show us what is expected of us. He has magnified the Law. The road is steep and few will find it. The New Covenant is
Love God and your neighbor as your self. When you do that you will fulfill all the Laws. Look around you, how many of all will love your neighbor as yourself.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Gene @ May 12 2009,03:22) Kerwin……..good way to worm out of explaining you perceptions of What GOD will do and What he won't do. As i have told Nick you can't corner a snake in a brier patch. And what makes you so sure I haven went to GOD and Had him explain to me, are you asserting if we don't agree with you we haven went to GOD, because what he has shown us disagree with you? Just answer the posted scriptures if you can and quite pulling a Nick by trying to change subject matter. IMO peace and love……………………..gene
I know that you have not heard God's explanation because you do not understand how “he alone saves a person while that person also saves themselves”. Instead you choose to deny those scriptures that disagree with your conclusions or make absurd guesses as to what they mean. Peter is obviously not speaking of saving yourself in the physical world as he is speaking the gospel which is about saving your soul.
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