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Terricca…………It is not me that is saying Jesus is not a human being of the Flesh, a son of MAN that is you and your preexistences brothers, and your Trinitarian brothers also. I see you still can't control you slandering and twisting up of what I and others say , your hatred is self evident to all and most have expressed concern over it at times here, well so be it May GOD deal with you according to your slanders and accusations of others. By the way i don't ever recall calling you my brother in the Faith, when i say brother i means as fellow human being. Not necessarily a brother in the Faith as you falsely assume. Terricca i hate no man rather a Christian or not, I will leave all Judgment concerning a person to GOD. Your judgement and accusation mean (NOTHING) to Me YOU are (NOT) MY JUDGE little man and never will be.
no matter how much you try to……………………………gene
peace and love…………….gene
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:53) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,01:26) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 13 2010,18:06) Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:05) The answer is “All mankind will be saved”. Jerry.
Explain to me these scriptures.Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Georg
Pierre, do you see any one responding to these scriptures here?Georg
Georg,For what im seeing Chosenone is not willing to ever believe anything else or even consider the possibility of being wrong.
Its like walking blind, without accepting help.And Gene, well he just likes calling me a liar and is all up in the coolade and doesnt even know what the mix is.
Georg
SF.
You say…Quote the question you keep on neglecting: is there any point to preach or to even talk about God?
can i start sinning and not worry at all about my salvation, can i sin freely now?The truth is that you still do sin, are you trying to say that you haven't? As long as you are in the 'flesh', you cannot please God. (Ro.8:8)
Thank God for the sacrifice of His Son, we “all” needed it, including you!
God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 16 2010,19:33) SF.
You say…Quote the question you keep on neglecting: is there any point to preach or to even talk about God?
can i start sinning and not worry at all about my salvation, can i sin freely now?The truth is that you still do sin, are you trying to say that you haven't? As long as you are in the 'flesh', you cannot please God. (Ro.8:8)
Thank God for the sacrifice of His Son, we “all” needed it, including you!
God Bless, Jerry.
COyou lied;Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.and roman8;8 you miss quoted like always,you are devious and full of deceit
Ro 8:6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace;
Ro 8:7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Ro 8:8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
Ro 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
Ro 8:10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousnessPierre
Pierre.
See the 'Interlinear Scripture Analyser” (The original Greek words into English). The CORRECT translation of Ro.8:8 … 8 Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.I would now like to say that we must agree to disagree. I cannot take any more of your abuse and accusations that are hurtfull. You cannot seem to discuss differences of opinion without namecalling and character assasination. You seem to think that only you have the truth, but your behavior is so abusive I find myself retaliating, and looking back, I see myself falling into a behavior similar to yours, of which I am ashamed to have done.
So in the future I will limit my response to your posts, I find it very unChristlike to continue with such a venamous attitude.
So God Bless, Jerry.Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 17 2010,12:03) Pierre.
See the 'Interlinear Scripture Analyser” (The original Greek words into English). The CORRECT translation of Ro.8:8 … 8 Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.I would now like to say that we must agree to disagree. I cannot take any more of your abuse and accusations that are hurtfull. You cannot seem to discuss differences of opinion without namecalling and character assasination. You seem to think that only you have the truth, but your behavior is so abusive I find myself retaliating, and looking back, I see myself falling into a behavior similar to yours, of which I am ashamed to have done.
So in the future I will limit my response to your posts, I find it very unChristlike to continue with such a venamous attitude.
So God Bless, Jerry.
COI have no interest to discuss truth of scriptures with you your interpretation are devious and deceitful.to say the least they are also very dangerous for the beginner's mind.
are disagreement is in your views on truth
Pierre
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 16 2010,14:54) Terricca…………It is not me that is saying Jesus is not a human being of the Flesh, a son of MAN that is you and your preexistences brothers, and your Trinitarian brothers also. I see you still can't control you slandering and twisting up of what I and others say , your hatred is self evident to all and most have expressed concern over it at times here, well so be it May GOD deal with you according to your slanders and accusations of others. By the way i don't ever recall calling you my brother in the Faith, when i say brother i means as fellow human being. Not necessarily a brother in the Faith as you falsely assume. Terricca i hate no man rather a Christian or not, I will leave all Judgment concerning a person to GOD. Your judgement and accusation mean (NOTHING) to Me YOU are (NOT) MY JUDGE little man and never will be. no matter how much you try to……………………………gene
peace and love…………….gene
Geneit is your words i judge and since they are the will of your hearth so be it
Pierre
Terricca………..Again you are not my JUDGE LITTLE MAN and never will be. I have only one who will judge Me. Your personal accusation of me and others only show are where your heart really is. IMO
peace and love………………………gene
OK What will happen to those Children that died when they were a baby, and those that never knew Jesus? I believe they will have a chance to know Jesus, and will make up their minds, whether they want to follow Jesus or not. I don't believe that all will be saved. Take Hitler for instance his mind is so evil that I don;t think he will be able to change. Rev. talks about the Lake of Fire. All the wicked and Satan, his demons, Antichrist and those that follow Antichrist will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, and they will burn up. The Bible tells us that is the second death. From that nobody will be resurrected…I do know that there is a Scripture that tells us that God wants nobody to perish, however that does not mean that we can just keep on sinning and still receive salvation…. We do have a just God, and why would we have a White Throne Judgment day…..???……..Peace Irene
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 16 2010,06:33) SF.
You say…Quote the question you keep on neglecting: is there any point to preach or to even talk about God?
can i start sinning and not worry at all about my salvation, can i sin freely now?The truth is that you still do sin, are you trying to say that you haven't? As long as you are in the 'flesh', you cannot please God. (Ro.8:8)
Thank God for the sacrifice of His Son, we “all” needed it, including you!
God Bless, Jerry.
Co,
So what your saying is that i can freely sin and do whatever i want and not worry?Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 16 2010,23:03) Pierre.
See the 'Interlinear Scripture Analyser” (The original Greek words into English). The CORRECT translation of Ro.8:8 … 8 Now those who are in flesh are not able to please God.I would now like to say that we must agree to disagree. I cannot take any more of your abuse and accusations that are hurtfull. You cannot seem to discuss differences of opinion without namecalling and character assasination. You seem to think that only you have the truth, but your behavior is so abusive I find myself retaliating, and looking back, I see myself falling into a behavior similar to yours, of which I am ashamed to have done.
So in the future I will limit my response to your posts, I find it very unChristlike to continue with such a venamous attitude.
So God Bless, Jerry.
Than agian if its UnChristlike for Terrarica,
Would it matter?he doesnt have to repent,
basically he can do whatever he want,So why stop him? why would it bother you,
You believe everyone is going to be saved,so might as well cope with it, since your going to see all of us in heaven.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2010,23:07) SF…………I never said YOU wanted i simply as the Question WHY would you or anyone for that matter think that? not accusing you of anything. Just asking a question that is all. You ask why do you have to believe if your already going to be saved? because belief is what save us and will save the whole world eventually. IMO Now i am a Heretic , and Mike calls me a PIG or Swine , and Terricca called me the Devil . Well lets see here now, ah' yes, that is exactly what they accused Jesus of right?
Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Gene,OHHHHHHHHHHH well sorry i got heated,
Now i understand.This is my point Gene, ill make an analogy for you.
You say that one day my body will be CLEANED forever.
So why clean it now? or daily clean if one day its going to be cleaned forever.I called you a heretic, because i thought you were acting like a Punk accusing me of stuff, now i stand corrected and i see that you didnt mean it that way.
So Sorry!
Whatever Mike an Terra thinks thats their buisness, i wouldnt be so quick to call myself Jesus though. thats a big shoe to fill.
The only reason i ask becuase Co said that it was not nessary to repent, therefore not nessary to believe either way.
So no matter what one does, they will be saved.This is why i asked.
If you were to tell people this, they would go on a rampage of doing whatever they want, and not give a hoot if they will be saved or not because they wont care about God.
They wont care about Jesus, they know that eventually they will be saved so whats the point to do anything that God commanded them to do.Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 15 2010,23:42) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2010,04:05) Jerry, The bottom line is you are accusing Jesus of lying and thus you are not being believed.
You would be more creditable if you chose to interpret scriptures so you do not accuse Jesus of being the AntiChrist.
kerwin.
I don't have any idea of what you are saying, please quote the post in which, as you say, I said these things. I don't know how you come to the conclusion that what I posted says “The bottom line is you are accusing Jesus of lying”. also you say “so you do not accuse Jesus of being the AntiChrist.”
How any sane person could deduce that what I posted could be interpeted to say what you claim, is beyond me.Jerry.
haha that was funnyChooseeoe,
You call Jesus a liar by using your interpretation of what saved by the blood of the Lamb mean to make the gate to salvation wider when Jesus assures us the wide gate leads to destruction.
Blood is used to sign a contract and thus make it binding to those who enter into it. You must trust in God that he will rescue all those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for he is faithful and will do it.
Satan has his children and those children of the evil one will perish though they are of human parentage and pretend to serve God.
Perhaps it is a hard truth for you to except and yet you must submit to God's will for all he does is right.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 18 2010,06:42) Chooseeoe, You call Jesus a liar by using your interpretation of what saved by the blood of the Lamb mean to make the gate to salvation wider when Jesus assures us the wide gate leads to destruction.
Blood is used to sign a contract and thus make it binding to those who enter into it. You must trust in God that he will rescue all those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for he is faithful and will do it.
Satan has his children and those children of the evil one will perish though they are of human parentage and pretend to serve God.
Perhaps it is a hard truth for you to except and yet you must submit to God's will for all he does is right.
kerwin.
Your explanation is an abundant of words but really mean nothing to me.
Can you post a copy of my words, and then explain what you think it means.
In my opinion, you seem to think something completely different to what I have actually written. I have no control of what you THINK I have posted, but don't assume that I have actually written what you believe I have said, it just isn't so!Jerry.
Jerry,
I borrowed from the words of Jesus for my explanation. I am also addressing your lack of faith in the righteousness of God.
When I was a child I would plead with God that all mankind would be saved but since then I learned what it is to be truly merciful. Some will be destroyed on that dreadful day and they are also those that love sin and will be destroyed with their chosen lover. But you are not to be like that. For you are to love righteousness.
I gave you a hint to another way of looking at scripture so that it does not disagree with Jesus. I am hoping you will think it through on your own. Consider the parable of the weeds and the wheat. Is God merciful to the weeds?
kerwin.
I don't understand what you are saying, you never give an example of my quote and comment on what I have said. You ramble on about you giving me a hint about something, saying you hope I can figure it out for myself. Your answers are pointless, how can anyone “guess” what you mean. Try and answer with some meaningfull comments, what you say makes no sense to anyone. Use scripture to augment your opinions, not just evasive answers that have no meaning at all to those of us who read it.Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 18 2010,08:30) kerwin.
I don't understand what you are saying, you never give an example of my quote and comment on what I have said. You ramble on about you giving me a hint about something, saying you hope I can figure it out for myself. Your answers are pointless, how can anyone “guess” what you mean. Try and answer with some meaningfull comments, what you say makes no sense to anyone. Use scripture to augment your opinions, not just evasive answers that have no meaning at all to those of us who read it.Jerry.
Jerry,
I have personal questions for you.Where are you from?
How old are you?Jerry,
You can figure out my point if you listen with the ears of God spirit. According to the parable of the wheat and the weeds there are two types of individuals. One Jesus calls “good seed” and the other he calls “weeds”. He clearly states “the weeds” will be burned and only “the wheat” gathered into the barn. This is a true teaching and you clearly disagree with it.
The new covenant is a contract between God and “the wheat” and Jesus sealed that contract by dying on the cross. The “weeds” are not sincere and thus will only at best give a pretense of entering the contract because they love to do evil just as we are told in John 3.
Jerry,
I am assuming you are familiar with Jesus' teaching and how they relate to the “dispensation” of the new covenant. Jesus knew beforehand it was to come and so prepared his students for its coming. He also let them know of his death which would seal it and his resurrection which would empower him to mediate it with his ascension.
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