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EDJ………..Sorry for that , Meant SF. I am getting quite old and some times my thinking is not as good as it used to be. Sorry for the mistake. If i had back my posting rights i could change it. But thanks to T8 i don't.
peace and love………………………………..gene
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 13 2010,18:06) Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:05) The answer is “All mankind will be saved”. Jerry.
Explain to me these scriptures.Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Georg
Pierre, do you see any one responding to these scriptures here?Georg
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 13 2010,20:30) EDJ…………..Why start lying, me nor Chosenone have never said or even implied its OK to Keep SINNING that is what maybe in your heart to do. Why should you accuse us of that?. You do realize to Lie is a sin also , “you shall not bear false witness”. IMO peace and love………………………gene
Gene,
It seems you are getting old.Gene since your old let me remind you what Chosenone said:
Quote The answer is, we don't have to repent! I AM AWARE WHAT YOU SAID GENE,
how about you stop accusing people and listen to what im saying, its A QUESTION not an ACCUSTATION.
lol i am not lieing at all. Thank you very much,
becuase its a question of logic, not that im accusing you.so if you feel CONVICTION, maybe you should listen to it.
it is CERTAINLY your opinion. because….. you havent realy listened or undersood what i asked.
Its simple, if we do not have to repent, (Chosenone)
Or if we all are going to be saved, All mankind will be saved (Gene)Than why do we have to stop sinning?
I know you said that we shoudl repent,
BUT Chosenone said that we didnt have to.So do you disagree with Chosenone?
and if you think we must repent tell me why?
These are serious questions, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U BELIEVE IN. so its fairly FAIR for me to ask you such questions without assuming.
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 14 2010,02:21) Yawn!!
Are you amoung those who Sleep?JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote (Baker @ Sep. 14 2010,01:26) Quote (Baker @ Sep. 13 2010,18:06) Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 09 2010,11:05) The answer is “All mankind will be saved”. Jerry.
Explain to me these scriptures.Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Mal 4:1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Georg
Pierre, do you see any one responding to these scriptures here?Georg
Georg,For what im seeing Chosenone is not willing to ever believe anything else or even consider the possibility of being wrong.
Its like walking blind, without accepting help.And Gene, well he just likes calling me a liar and is all up in the coolade and doesnt even know what the mix is.
all
Eze 21:25 “ ‘O profane and wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose time of punishment has reached its climax,
Eze 21:29 Despite false visions concerning you
and lying divinations about you,
it will be laid on the necks
of the wicked who are to be slain,
whose day has come,
whose time of punishment has reached its climax.pierre
George,
I enjoy the scriptures you chose to illustrate your point but you are dealing with those who have chosen to harden their hearts and accuse God of being unmerciful and unjust. In their soul they realize that they are entertaining false intent but they either choose to do so or are compelled by their sins to do this evil thing. This is their unbelief and to be saved on that day they must believe. All I can do for them is to pray for them in hopes they will come to believe God is just.Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 14 2010,13:55) George,
I enjoy the scriptures you chose to illustrate your point but you are dealing with those who have chosen to harden their hearts and accuse God of being unmerciful and unjust. In their soul they realize that they are entertaining false intent but they either choose to do so or are compelled by their sins to do this evil thing. This is their unbelief and to be saved on that day they must believe. All I can do for them is to pray for them in hopes they will come to believe God is just.
Whats your Opinion in this?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 13 2010,20:30) EDJ…………..Why start lying, me nor Chosenone have never said or even implied its OK to Keep SINNING that is what maybe in your heart to do. Why should you accuse us of that?. You do realize to Lie is a sin also , “you shall not bear false witness”. IMO peace and love………………………gene
Gene,
It seems you are getting old.Gene since your old let me remind you what Chosenone said:
Quote The answer is, we don't have to repent! I AM AWARE WHAT YOU SAID GENE,
how about you stop accusing people and listen to what im saying, its A QUESTION not an ACCUSTATION.
lol i am not lieing at all. Thank you very much,
becuase its a question of logic, not that im accusing you.so if you feel CONVICTION, maybe you should listen to it.
it is CERTAINLY your opinion. because….. you havent realy listened or undersood what i asked.
Its simple, if we do not have to repent, (Chosenone)
Or if we all are going to be saved, All mankind will be saved (Gene)Than why do we have to stop sinning?
I know you said that we shoudl repent,
BUT Chosenone said that we didnt have to.So do you disagree with Chosenone?
and if you think we must repent tell me why?
These are serious questions, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U BELIEVE IN. so its fairly FAIR for me to ask you such questions without assuming.
In this quote, I am accused of misunderstanding, because of the following…Quote I know you said that we shoudl repent,
BUT Chosenone said that we didnt have to.That is correct, we do not have to repent. What do you think our Lord and Saviour died for? I would like to hear your opinion of this, please give one, it seems you feel He died for only a possibility to save us, but it is up to us. Nothing could be further from the truth. He died for the sins of ALL MANKIND, He has “justified” us, by paying OUR debt, we are “justified” in Gods eyes by this act.
Acts.5:31… This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
To Israel… Then to the Nations…
Acts.11:18… Now, on hearing these things, they are quiet, and glorify God, saying, “Consequently, to the nations also God gives repentance unto life!
Ro.5:9… Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ Sep. 15 2010,18:40) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:50) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 13 2010,20:30) EDJ…………..Why start lying, me nor Chosenone have never said or even implied its OK to Keep SINNING that is what maybe in your heart to do. Why should you accuse us of that?. You do realize to Lie is a sin also , “you shall not bear false witness”. IMO peace and love………………………gene
Gene,
It seems you are getting old.Gene since your old let me remind you what Chosenone said:
Quote The answer is, we don't have to repent! I AM AWARE WHAT YOU SAID GENE,
how about you stop accusing people and listen to what im saying, its A QUESTION not an ACCUSTATION.
lol i am not lieing at all. Thank you very much,
becuase its a question of logic, not that im accusing you.so if you feel CONVICTION, maybe you should listen to it.
it is CERTAINLY your opinion. because….. you havent realy listened or undersood what i asked.
Its simple, if we do not have to repent, (Chosenone)
Or if we all are going to be saved, All mankind will be saved (Gene)Than why do we have to stop sinning?
I know you said that we shoudl repent,
BUT Chosenone said that we didnt have to.So do you disagree with Chosenone?
and if you think we must repent tell me why?
These are serious questions, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U BELIEVE IN. so its fairly FAIR for me to ask you such questions without assuming.
In this quote, I am accused of misunderstanding, because of the following…Quote I know you said that we shoudl repent,
BUT Chosenone said that we didnt have to.That is correct, we do not have to repent. What do you think our Lord and Saviour died for? I would like to hear your opinion of this, please give one, it seems you feel He died for only a possibility to save us, but it is up to us. Nothing could be further from the truth. He died for the sins of ALL MANKIND, He has “justified” us, by paying OUR debt, we are “justified” in Gods eyes by this act.
Acts.5:31… This Inaugurator and Saviour, God exalts to His right hand, to give repentance to Israel and the pardon of sins.
To Israel… Then to the Nations…
Acts.11:18… Now, on hearing these things, they are quiet, and glorify God, saying, “Consequently, to the nations also God gives repentance unto life!
Ro.5:9… Much rather, then, being now justified in His blood, we shall be saved from indignation, through Him.
We are now “justified” in Gods eyes, He sees our sins no more.
I think it an insult to God, if we still try to “repent” of our sins, He would say “what did I send my son for? was this not enough?”God Bless, Jerry.
COi am sure you had in mine this scriptures;;Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—
Jn 1:13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.IT WOULD BE NOW GOOD TO SEE WHAT KIND OF APOSTLES JESUS HAD I MEAN THE ONES WHO STAID AND BELIEVED IN HIM,LIKE ,JOHN,PETER,PAUL AND QUOTE THEM AS OUR EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW,
IS THE TRUTH IN OUR HEARTHS THE WAY IT WAS IN THEM OR DO WE HAVE A BETTER TICKET TO GET IN ?
Pierre
Pierre, Jesus was the promised Messiah of Israel, He was sent to them (Israel) and them only, see Matt.15:24 …Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
The part of scripture you don't seem to understand is, that the Old Testament and the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were about Israel, Gods “chosen people”. The gentlile nation had no part with God. See Eph.2:11-12 … 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.Only their (Israels) rejection of Jesus, was the result that God has thrust them away and turned to the nations, (Acts.13:45-46 …45 Yet the Jews, perceiving the throngs, are filled with jealousy, and they contradicted the things spoken by Paul, blaspheming.
46 Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you first was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.To sum things up, the 'Old testament' and the four gospels of Jesus, are only about Israel and their relationship with God, all the while being under the “Old Covenant” and the “Law”.
The book of “Acts”, is about their rejection of their Messiah, and God thrusting them away and turning to the Gentile Nations, and appointing Saul, later named Paul, to be an apostle to the nations.Now, in this era, we are not under the “law”, we, the 'nations' were never under the “Law”, we are now under the covenant of “the Grace of God”. Pauls epistles are for all of us now, not under the 'law', but under 'Grace'.
This is what Paul meant when he said in 2Tim.2:15 …Endeavor to present yourself to God qualified, an unashamed worker, correctly cutting the word of truth.
This is my understanding of scripture. A good way to describe it is “All scripture is FOR us, but not all scripture is ABOUT us”.
God Bless, Jerry.
Actualy Ghosenone,
The old testament affected MANY GENTILES,
Such as Rahab, the city of ninve TWICE, Ruth, and a number of different gentiles,
the purpose of the isreal nation was for the GENTILES,
they were to be a holy nation, a prophet nation to the world.In regards all to save the gentiles.
What was Abraham? a gentile!
Everything goes back To God saving the gentiles,
Even Jesus healed people who were not from israel and offered eteranl life
to a smaratitan woman who will never thrist again.Point being everything God did was for us and about us.
the question you keep on neglecting: is there any point to preach or to even talk about God?
can i start sinning and not worry at all about my salvation, can i sin freely now?EDJ………The question is not should you start sinning and not worry about it, the question is why do you even want to start sinning if you have the Spiirt and Love of GOD (IN) You> Chosenone is right we stand by the (GRACE) of God, not of works Lest you and others should Boast> EDJ Has your Nature been changed yet if it has why are your so worried about you sinning so much, I know we all have (PULLS) of the FLESH, but that is of the flesh, but we through the Spirit should be putting that to death and even if we slip up at times, as PAUL said he did, that does not change our Minds toward GOD and others because the LOVE of GOD is in our hearts, WE should feel wretched when we do sin and go to the thrown of GRACE to find Help in out time of Need. But to think GOD rejects us and is going to through us into a Literal lake of fire is ridiculous. Perhaps you lack conviction , this may help.
Joh 5:24…> “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on him that sent me, (HAS) everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but (IS PASSED) from death unto life”. Notice these are all (PAST TENSE) expressions.
The question is do you (TRULY) Believe on HIM who sent Jesus> that would be the question from you and others remarks here. If so then why so much doubt in GOD'S (GRACE) And GOD (FORGIVING) the Sins of the whole World because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
“FOR GO HAS CONCLUDED THE WHOLE WORLD UNDER SIN THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY ON (All)” .
Peace and love………………………………..gene
To all………The above was to SF< Not EDJ. Sorry EDJ, if i had editing rights i could have straightened it, but thanks to brother T8 can't change it.
peace and love to you all……………………….gene
Jerry,
The bottom line is you are accusing Jesus of lying and thus you are not being believed.
You would be more creditable if you chose to interpret scriptures so you do not accuse Jesus of being the AntiChrist.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 15 2010,20:54) EDJ………The question is not should you start sinning and not worry about it, the question is why do you even want to start sinning if you have the Spiirt and Love of GOD (IN) You> Chosenone is right we stand by the (GRACE) of God, not of works Lest you and others should Boast> EDJ Has your Nature been changed yet if it has why are your so worried about you sinning so much, I know we all have (PULLS) of the FLESH, but that is of the flesh, but we through the Spirit should be putting that to death and even if we slip up at times, as PAUL said he did, that does not change our Minds toward GOD and others because the LOVE of GOD is in our hearts, WE should feel wretched when we do sin and go to the thrown of GRACE to find Help in out time of Need. But to think GOD rejects us and is going to through us into a Literal lake of fire is ridiculous. Perhaps you lack conviction , this may help. Joh 5:24…> “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on him that sent me, (HAS) everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but (IS PASSED) from death unto life”. Notice these are all (PAST TENSE) expressions.
The question is do you (TRULY) Believe on HIM who sent Jesus> that would be the question from you and others remarks here. If so then why so much doubt in GOD'S (GRACE) And GOD (FORGIVING) the Sins of the whole World because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
“FOR GO HAS CONCLUDED THE WHOLE WORLD UNDER SIN THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY ON (All)” .
Peace and love………………………………..gene
stop calling me Ed J,Gene,
you get down from your high horse already and answer the darn question.
WHO SAID THAT I WANT TO.
Your so judgemental,
Didnt you say that you have the spirit of God?
why dont you ask him how i really feel about it!!!!DISCERN DISCERN DISCERN!!!
you lack convitction because you judge, igonrantly without having any clue of what your talking about.
Why do you have to believe if your already going to be saved?
THESE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS STOP BEING A HERETIC
SF…………I never said YOU wanted i simply as the Question WHY would you or anyone for that matter think that? not accusing you of anything. Just asking a question that is all. You ask why do you have to believe if your already going to be saved? because belief is what save us and will save the whole world eventually. IMO
Now i am a Heretic , and Mike calls me a PIG or Swine , and Terricca called me the Devil . Well lets see here now, ah' yes, that is exactly what they accused Jesus of right?
Peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 16 2010,04:05) Jerry, The bottom line is you are accusing Jesus of lying and thus you are not being believed.
You would be more creditable if you chose to interpret scriptures so you do not accuse Jesus of being the AntiChrist.
kerwin.I don't have any idea of what you are saying, please quote the post in which, as you say, I said these things. I don't know how you come to the conclusion that what I posted says “The bottom line is you are accusing Jesus of lying”. also you say “so you do not accuse Jesus of being the AntiChrist.”
How any sane person could deduce that what I posted could be interpeted to say what you claim, is beyond me.Jerry.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 16 2010,09:54) EDJ………The question is not should you start sinning and not worry about it, the question is why do you even want to start sinning if you have the Spiirt and Love of GOD (IN) You> Chosenone is right we stand by the (GRACE) of God, not of works Lest you and others should Boast> EDJ Has your Nature been changed yet if it has why are your so worried about you sinning so much, I know we all have (PULLS) of the FLESH, but that is of the flesh, but we through the Spirit should be putting that to death and even if we slip up at times, as PAUL said he did, that does not change our Minds toward GOD and others because the LOVE of GOD is in our hearts, WE should feel wretched when we do sin and go to the thrown of GRACE to find Help in out time of Need. But to think GOD rejects us and is going to through us into a Literal lake of fire is ridiculous. Perhaps you lack conviction , this may help. Joh 5:24…> “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on him that sent me, (HAS) everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation: but (IS PASSED) from death unto life”. Notice these are all (PAST TENSE) expressions.
The question is do you (TRULY) Believe on HIM who sent Jesus> that would be the question from you and others remarks here. If so then why so much doubt in GOD'S (GRACE) And GOD (FORGIVING) the Sins of the whole World because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
“FOR GO HAS CONCLUDED THE WHOLE WORLD UNDER SIN THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY ON (All)” .
Peace and love………………………………..gene
geneyou are NOT my brother in the faith of Christ.
Jn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Jn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.this is the next few verses that by your deceit you have voluntary omit to present.
you have no truth in you and you have many topics to prove it, you are lol to the word of God,and you drag others in your pad.
this is another of you devious and deceitful way;;
The question is do you (TRULY) Believe on HIM who sent Jesus> that would be the question from you and others remarks here. If so then why so much doubt in GOD'S (GRACE) And GOD (FORGIVING) the Sins of the whole World because of the sacrifice of Jesus.
so this remark is to justifying that we can sin or not ,how could you have faith and not have works of that same faith,
now according James ; Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
you Gene and your alike are acting as the Antichrist,have the knowledge of the word and pursue deceit.
Pierre
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