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There seems to be an infinite amount of views about how salvation is obtained.
Please, anyone that will respond, please state in your opinion:-1. What is absolutely required to be saved. Name all you think is required, that leaving any out will disqualify you.
2. What is desirable, but not actually neccesary for salvation. Name as many as you please.
3. What deeds and/or beliefs will definately exclude you from salvation.
I think that this will be interesting, as there seem to be so many different opinions of what the requirements for salvation are.
God Bless you all, Jerry.
Hi everyone,
Seems we've had a few viewers, but no one willing to comment. I think most are not really sure, and are afraid of commiting themselves for fear of being ridiculed for their beliefs. I will post my beliefs later on, if no one replies, within a few days, God willing.Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ July 04 2008,17:12) There seems to be an infinite amount of views about how salvation is obtained.
Please, anyone that will respond, please state in your opinion:-1. What is absolutely required to be saved. Name all you think is required, that leaving any out will disqualify you.
2. What is desirable, but not actually neccesary for salvation. Name as many as you please.
3. What deeds and/or beliefs will definately exclude you from salvation.
I think that this will be interesting, as there seem to be so many different opinions of what the requirements for salvation are.
God Bless you all, Jerry.
Greetings…..Salvation is something hoped and prayed for but cannot be achieved neither by works or prayer but through the mercy of God by the granting of repentance…..Chosenone…….Salvation is a deliberate act of the WILL of God on His creation. If we understand the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD, to effect (HIS WILL) on (ALL THINGS) then we can realize His work and His Power to transform
His creation . People become intimidated by the idea of God's Sovereignty, the typical response is God didn't create robots or puppets. They some how think they play a major part in the salvation process, while not understanding that salvation requires a recreation of their minds, some thing (ONLY) God can do. Jesus understood that, “NO man Can come unto me except the Father Draw (drag in Greek) Him. We do not choose to be saved, God chooses to save Us. Pride prevents man from excepting the idea that without our help God saves through no effort of our own. The self righteous will never except this , they will maintain their own so-called righteous choices brought about their salvation and it a matter of those their Free Wills or self choices that brings them salvation, which is a stench to the nostrils of God, and God will ultimately deal with them.If we can see that all truth that could ever exist always existed and all evil and good also did. And God imparts these thing into our minds the minds He gave us,and apportions them as He see fit, the we can realize He is in total comtrol of all things both in heaven and in earth. Therefore (NONE) can ever (BOAST) seeing it WAS GOD who brought it all about. But the Carnal mind (HATES) the thought of a total Sovereign GOD. Man wants to be a God HIMSELF and thats where mans so-called (Free WILL) comes in.
Salvation is a WORK of God ALONE, better known as GRACE of GOD, which means GODS INFLUENCE ON OUR HEARTS. Thats what drives man to do God's will. For HE (GOD) works in US (BOTH) to WILL and DO of HIS good Pleasure. With or without our permission. HE is Sovereign over all His creation, if God be fore you who can be against you and that includes your own Will. Because He gives repentance in all He calls and chooses.
IN conclusion GOD is the ONLY TRUE SAVIOR OF HIS CREATION, and gets all the GLORY for it.
peace to all……..gene
Hi GB,
You should not quote the teachings of Paul to the saved as relating to the unsaved.
Your view of God's sovereignty would presume that He will save all men.
It is not written that He will do so.Nick……..so say you, but who made you God I don't think your opinions matter much to God nor does He direct His Saving Work By your desires or thoughts either. Scripture Plainly say God will Save ALL, rather you like it or not. For God would Have (ALL) to be (SAVED) sorry if you can't handle the truth that your problem not ours. The son of man came (NOT) to Comdem the World (as YOU DO) but that All may come to repentence and
Be saved. For God has concluded (ALL) under SIN that (HE Might Have MERCY ON ALL> Sorry NICK, thats the way it is rather you like it or NOT.Hi GB,
Where does God say he give give eternal salvation to ALL men?
God has mercy on all men every day.He could wipe them away like bugs on the window.
But his mercy towards all offered in Christ is rejected by most.You are right that all men must repent.[Acts 17]
No salvation without repentance.[Lk13]
That is the offer.acts2
37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Are you saying all men will repent? Is it written?
The thief on the cross knew what was required for salvation and he wasn't even a believer for very long…….
Believe and you will be saved. Those who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Everything is else is fine and dandy, it's works or actions, but Jesus did all on the cross. We cannot add to it or take away from it. We just need to believe it, and accept it.
Mandy
Hi not3,
The new covenant was established in the blood of the lamb.
The thief died before that time so was under the Old.
Appointed by the anointed one to life.Nick……face it you hate the fact that God will save ALL, You can't stand that because it Kills your (SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS) You want all of us to think we save our selves, face it quite beating around the bush. Thank God it isn't your opinions He goes by.
Mandy…. >your right if it was by works, the man on the cross would be left out then, even if he came to understand the truth he certainly did nothing to some how qualify himself other then admit the truth ,did he.
Truth is Salvation is a Work that God Alone creates and performs in His creation, and doesn't let some little Humans WILL change or prevent it. Scripture shows we are saved despite ourselves, by God, who gets ALL the glory for it. Thanks be to Our loving and merciful Father. If God is for us who (CAN) be against us. Can our limited understanding, can our inability to alway do right, can our sins, can our weakness of flesh like Paul had, what can prevent Us our own so-called free will< NO i am totally convinced (NOTHING) can including our own selves. Can some one Show me ONE scripture that says our Salvation is (ONLY) up to Us. NO they Can't.
Our Salvation is as sure as there is a God, that is if you truly have been given the Faith to believe it, otherwise you have to in trust yourself to do it. If God is in a person the Fruits of the spirit will be produced in His or Her
life is as automation as breathing is, the spirit itself changes both ouyr minds and hearts, it is a work of God, not mans work, that saves us. Anyone else who teaches different is simply not of God.Peace to all who are truly called.and chosen of God……….gene
Hi GB,
Self righteousness now?
We have no righteousness except that of the son who died for us.
Now we can wear it as a breastplate against the jibes of the accuser of the brethren.Hi GB,
So why does man need saving?
Sin imbues mankind.So when did God say all sin of all men is forgiven and forgotten?
I do not see it written. What it does say isHebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.Without the cleansing man dare not approach God
Heb12
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29For our God is a consuming fire.
Hi GB,
You quote
“If God is for us who (CAN) be against us.”Well of course the US is not all men.
Romans 8:31
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?Romans is not written to natural unsaved men.
Rom1
6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
So the US spoken of here is the saved.
ContextNick…….so it doesn't say God concluded All under SIN that He might Have Mercy on ALL. right, And it doesn't that Christ died for the sins of the WORLD, right, And it doesn't say the God has laid the Sins of us all on Jesus right, and it doesn't say the whole creation will be delivered from the bondage of corruption, Right, and it doesn't say Jesus died for our sins and not ours only but the sins of the whole world, right.
Nick…> you must be reading a different Bible then we are. Quit feeding us your “gospel Message” and start conforming to what the real bible say, the sum of God's word is truth, not some little out of context snap shots you us to try to prove people wrong and yourself right.
Hi.
Thanks for the ones who posted their beliefs for salvation. As usual, Nick goes completely off the topic and uses this thread to preach his gospel. Please!!! Nick, Post your opinion on the topic, if you must critisize others views, do it in the appropriate thread, not this one.
I would like to see your opinion on this topic, but I'm sure you would rather critisize others opinion, and not give your opinion on this topic.Blessings.
PS. Thanks Gene, for your opinion. It was very well written, and your views were also very clear. Glad to have you aboard. God Bless.
(try to ignore Nick if he tries to critisize you on this thread, he has very poor manners.)Quote (chosenone @ July 05 2008,13:06) OOPS, thanks also theodorej, I Enjoyed your viewpoint. Thanks for participating. God Bless.
Hey, don't forget me!!
I suppose my views are simple enough.
If the thief was under the old covenant, please show me where the “requirements” for salvation changed?
Someone please show:
Requirements for salvation under the OT
Requirements for salvation under the NTYou are absolutely right Sis, no difference in both Abraham believed God he became Father of believers in God. The thief believed Jesus and was promised Paradise by his Master Jesus. The only difference today we have an advantage of permanent in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit in us so that we can graciously influenced by Him (God) to do good works that He has prepared in advance as per Eph 2:8-10
8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God;
9 it is not from works, so no one may boast.
10 For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them”Hi brother Jerry, you can take it as my opinion on your topic. I am blessed by the posts of Gene here.
Thanks to all
AdamJerry,
In my opinion1) Salvation is obtained when you recieve the revelation of what the Father has done through His Son and you determine to place your trust in it at the expense of your desires for your life.
2) Seeking further revelations of God and His Son
3) Departing from the faith through a total disregard of God's righteousness by knowingly determining to sin (losing your trust in God).
I believe it is only the grace of God that allows us to have access to this salvation
Wm
Hi.
Thanks not3in1, and Adam, as well as Wm. Appreciate you taking the time to express your views. We're not here to critisize, just to hear you views, please feel free to expand on your views as you feel fit. I feel this a good opportunity to contribute to, without critisism from others. God Bless.Jerry.
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