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Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 23 2007,02:10) 1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Thanks for the reminder, brother.We carry death around with us all day long, but our renewal comes from the Spirit. It is there that we have the hope of eternal life in God and his Son Jesus. Someday, we will be forever with the Lord. I look forward to that day even more the older I get……this world is losing it's appeal. I'm finding that I am not seeking my own way but looking to Christ more and more.
I guess you could say that facing death helps you to live the life you were really meant to live in Christ.
Very interesting thing I heard today…and it rang so true in my soul. Israel was given the Sabbath and Christians moved away from it to Sunday. Muslims moved their day to Friday. Both use the Jewish scriptures as the basis of their religion. But the speaker said that he is certain it was definitely an act of God to move Christianity and Islam away from His Sabbath because neither religion keeps to His Torah. Therefore, the Sabbath is between Him and His chosen people, Israel, who still honor His Torah, His eternal covenant.
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 24 2007,13:02) Very interesting thing I heard today…and it rang so true in my soul. Israel was given the Sabbath and Christians moved away from it to Sunday. Muslims moved their day to Friday. Both use the Jewish scriptures as the basis of their religion. But the speaker said that he is certain it was definitely an act of God to move Christianity and Islam away from His Sabbath because neither religion keeps to His Torah. Therefore, the Sabbath is between Him and His chosen people, Israel, who still honor His Torah, His eternal covenant.
kejonnSo Christianity is a religion now seperate from the Torah?
Christianity is in bed with the Muslims because they keep a Spiritual Sabbath under a New Covenant and not a physical one?
I hope brother you are not moving away from the NT or New Covenant to follow the Old Covenant and maybe become a Jew, litteraly!
I hope that some day I dont hear you say that the Messiah has not come yet for the Christian Messiah is not the Messiah of the Torah.
I am not being critical. But truly concerned my brother!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 24 2007,13:25) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 24 2007,13:02) Very interesting thing I heard today…and it rang so true in my soul. Israel was given the Sabbath and Christians moved away from it to Sunday. Muslims moved their day to Friday. Both use the Jewish scriptures as the basis of their religion. But the speaker said that he is certain it was definitely an act of God to move Christianity and Islam away from His Sabbath because neither religion keeps to His Torah. Therefore, the Sabbath is between Him and His chosen people, Israel, who still honor His Torah, His eternal covenant.
kejonnSo Christianity is a religion now seperate from the Torah?
Christianity is in bed with the Muslims because they keep a Spiritual Sabbath under a New Covenant and not a physical one?
I hope brother you are not moving away from the NT or New Covenant to follow the Old Covenant and maybe become a Jew, litteraly!
I hope that some day I dont hear you say that the Messiah has not come yet for the Christian Messiah is not the Messiah of the Torah.
I am not being critical. But truly concerned my brother!
I agree with WJ.The last post I read of yours, Kevin, I wondered if you were looking into becoming Jewish. I forget what made me think that, but reading WJ's post just now I was reminded that I was worried about that as well.
Remember that seeking and knowledge can lead you down the road to insanity (it's happened to more than one person). I'm not descrouraging you from seeking, far be it from me, I'm only saying that no matter where you turn you are going to find something written…… Trust in God's spirit instead of man's sermons/books/dictionaries/podcasts and so on. Most importantly brother – never deny Christ. Know that you know, that you know he is risen!
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 24 2007,13:02) Very interesting thing I heard today…and it rang so true in my soul. Israel was given the Sabbath and Christians moved away from it to Sunday. Muslims moved their day to Friday. Both use the Jewish scriptures as the basis of their religion. But the speaker said that he is certain it was definitely an act of God to move Christianity and Islam away from His Sabbath because neither religion keeps to His Torah. Therefore, the Sabbath is between Him and His chosen people, Israel, who still honor His Torah, His eternal covenant.
The worst part for a Man that desires to work to set people free, is that he must become free himself first, all meat is clean, and many shall be offended with whom you chose to eat with.
its a good thing that I know enough of you Kevin, to see a Man that obey's the first and greatest comandment, with all his heart, everything he dose is with all his heart towards God And God gives understanding, by putting his chosen thru… to prevail, and lead the wayGods Love can't be taught? but preformed as visable.
WJ and Not3,
Not turning Jewish. I like ham and shellfish too much!! I am merely seeing what has happened to what the original followers of Jesus believed and taught and see where God would not want people honoring His day.
Charity,
Thanks!Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,00:25) WJ and Not3, Not turning Jewish. I like ham and shellfish too much!! I am merely seeing what has happened to what the original followers of Jesus believed and taught and see where God would not want people honoring His day.
Charity,
Thanks!
Hi KJ:Honoring his day or his commandments? The Lord has given us every day in which to rejoice and honor Him.
But no problem, if you want to keep Saturday as your Sabbath day because that is the day they kept in the bible, I think that is wonderful.
Please be careful not to make a steady diet of ham and shellfish because I know that a steady diet of ham will lead to high blood pressure. The dietary laws that the Lord has given are good advice for the health of our body.
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Oct. 24 2007,09:16) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,00:25) WJ and Not3, Not turning Jewish. I like ham and shellfish too much!! I am merely seeing what has happened to what the original followers of Jesus believed and taught and see where God would not want people honoring His day.
Charity,
Thanks!
Hi KJ:Honoring his day or his commandments? The Lord has given us every day in which to rejoice and honor Him.
Actually, if you really get down to it, Christianity as practiced by the first followers of Jesus (and NOT Paul) was very Jewish. There is no indication that the very first Christians were not Torah observant. The difference is that they saw Jesus as Messiah.But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable. Three headed gods, angels (or God Himself) inhabiting a body of flesh and dying on a tree, people thinking they will be a god too, etc.
Christianity started out as a heretical Jewish sect. Heretical in that they believed Jesus to be the Messiah. But as Paul took Christianity to the Gentiles, they proceeded to gut it and rob it of its Jewish roots.
Quote But no problem, if you want to keep Saturday as your Sabbath day because that is the day they kept in the bible, I think that is wonderful. Please be careful not to make a steady diet of ham and shellfish because I know that a steady diet of ham will lead to high blood pressure. The dietary laws that the Lord has given are good advice for the health of our body.
God Bless
I don't eat much ham. I just like it from time to time. And barbecue pork every once in awhile. But I love boiled shrimp!What I meant is that since Christianity moved so far from its Hebraic roots, God could very well have influenced early Christians to move from Saturday to Sunday. He could very well want only those who choose to be Torah observant to honor the Sabbath as the Jewish people do. Since most Christians don't see much value in the Torah, this makes sense.
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 24 2007,09:16) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,00:25) WJ and Not3, Not turning Jewish. I like ham and shellfish too much!! I am merely seeing what has happened to what the original followers of Jesus believed and taught and see where God would not want people honoring His day.
Charity,
Thanks!
Hi KJ:Honoring his day or his commandments? The Lord has given us every day in which to rejoice and honor Him.
Actually, if you really get down to it, Christianity as practiced by the first followers of Jesus (and NOT Paul) was very Jewish. There is no indication that the very first Christians were not Torah observant. The difference is that they saw Jesus as Messiah.But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable. Three headed gods, angels (or God Himself) inhabiting a body of flesh and dying on a tree, people thinking they will be a god too, etc.
Christianity started out as a heretical Jewish sect. Heretical in that they believed Jesus to be the Messiah. But as Paul took Christianity to the Gentiles, they proceeded to gut it and rob it of its Jewish roots.
Quote But no problem, if you want to keep Saturday as your Sabbath day because that is the day they kept in the bible, I think that is wonderful. Please be careful not to make a steady diet of ham and shellfish because I know that a steady diet of ham will lead to high blood pressure. The dietary laws that the Lord has given are good advice for the health of our body.
God Bless
I don't eat much ham. I just like it from time to time. And barbecue pork every once in awhile. But I love boiled shrimp!What I meant is that since Christianity moved so far from its Hebraic roots, God could very well have influenced early Christians to move from Saturday to Sunday. He could very well want only those who choose to be Torah observant to honor the Sabbath as the Jewish people do. Since most Christians don't see much value in the Torah, this makes sense.
kejonnI am confused at your words.
You say…
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What I meant is that since Christianity moved so far from its Hebraic roots, God could very well have influenced early Christians to move from Saturday to Sunday. He could very well want only those who choose to be Torah observant to honor the Sabbath as the Jewish people do. Since most Christians don't see much value in the Torah, this makes sense.If breaking the Physical Sabbath is sin. Then you are saying God led his people to sin.
Kejonn……> God's spirit never took away His commandments, it inabled us to walk in them. They are spirit and are fullfilled through the Spirit.
The biggest problem people have is with the Sabbath because it can be taken two ways, one is Physical and the other is spritual.
I think God intended us to get the spiritual picture of the Sabbath, by realizing that ceasing from our works and entering into rest with Him and letting God work in Us is the way
salvation works.
That's why i believe it's in the eternal commandments it is an eternal principle. We all must enter into a eternal rest with God.
But we need to be carefull we doint Just focus on the physical and miss the Spiritual Picture it portrays.IMO……gene
Brother I believe you are listening too much to Ronald L Dart and NOT the Spirit. Ronald L Dart as MRS said is from the WWCG who are in BONDAGE. They teach everything according to the letter and NOT the Spirit!
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
PLEASE REMEMBER that under the New Covenant the Law is SPIRITUAL.
As I said I studied with the WWCG and when I started to keep the Sabbath according to the way they wanted me too (THE LETTER) the Spirit “LEFT”!!!!!!!
Something was wrong! But yet I knew that the Sabbath was to be kept! That's when I fasted and prayed and the LORD of LORDS KING of KINGS showed me that their is a separation of the LAW!
OR why is GOD'S law written in stone in the OT and our heart in the NEW TESTAMENT!
Listen to what Paul said:
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.
1Co 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.NOT BEING UNDER THE LAW! BUT YET NOT WITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD!
Clearly two different laws! One the tradition of the Jews keeping MOSES' Law. The law that was NOT written in stone and NOT placed INSIDE the Ark, but placed OUTSIDE the ARK.
WHY? Why did God only write TEN and place ONLY those TEN in the Ark and NOT the law HE gave to Moses to write!
Because the law Moses wrote was to be fulfilled!!!!!
NOW REMEMBER THE ONE WHO WROTE THAT HE WAS NOT UNDER THE JEWISH LAW BUT NOT WITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD WROTE THIS.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
The law was added because of transgression. Transgression of WHAT? The law of God. The sacrificial lawS were given because of sin which is transgression of God's law.
Gal 3:20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.
If those sacrifices forgave sin then righteousness would have been by those offerings and no need for Jesus to sacrifice Himself.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Those sacrificial laws imprisoned…made bondage being reminded of our sin every year.
Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Again! Which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS pointed to Christ?
That being said WHICH law are these scriptures speaking of?
I have never been led to keep feasts days that IMO Christ fulfilled.
Luk 24:26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?”
Luk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
fulfill.4137
G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: – accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.Jesus satisfied (fulfilled) what the law that was saying what was needed. HE is the LAMB of God who offered Himself “ONCE” and for all. Or why do we NOT offer burnt offerings?
Do we need to once a year be reminded that Jesus gave Himself for US? We have the Spirit who lives in us. Is the Spirit greater if we stay in a tent for a week?
This is what the weekly Sabbath is about. We give ourselves “totally” for one day a week. Because we CANNOT dedicate Whole selves to the Lord during the “work” week.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Well we keep the feasts BUT NOT the offering. If the offering has been satisfied (fulfilled) and our sins Forgiven! That is not given any thought by God because of Jesus' offering.
Kevin IF the offering is fulfilled (satisfied) and is the hub of the feasts then WHY would one “HAVE” to keep the feasts?
These people who keep the law according to the letter are NOT OF THE SPIRIT! IMO they deny the sacrifice of Christ by keeping the feasts HE fulfilled.
But Paul said if you want to keep the Sabbaths of the feasts and not eat certain foods and do it to the LORD then it is acceptable BUT NOT NECESSARY and says they are weak in faith. ROM. chapter 14.
If we have faith that Jesus was the Messiah and Satisfied that is Fulfilled the law (feasts) that pointed to HIM. Then why do we need to be reminded that He came.
Brother if you keep the Sabbath by the letter of the Law I would that you NOT KEEP THE SABBATH AT ALL!!!
If you don't keep the Sabbath by the Spirit then you do not satisfy GOD. If we are to live by the letter then we deny Christ!
The weekly Sabbath was placed IN the ark along with the other nine. Were the feasts annual Sabbaths placed inside the ark? NO! they were place OUTSIDE the ark with the sacrificial Law that Christ fulfilled OR satisfied.
Satan is working through these churches who keep the Sabbath by the letter. WHY? Because they teach that the Sabbath is BONDAGE and their by turning the children of God away from the forth Commandment.
The SDA has told me I cannot drive any further on the Sabbath than to get to church and back!!!!!!
Is this the freedom of the Spirit?
We keep the Sabbath according to the Spirit and not the letter as “THEY TEACH”.
May God help and bless you,
Ken
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable.
KJ,I'm finding this to be true, too. I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding. Ha! I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity. Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear. This is a huge bummer. Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare. Praise Him! And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning. So many of us here value the journey you are on…….
Press on, Brother!
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:46) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable.
KJ,I'm finding this to be true, too. I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding. Ha! I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity. Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear. This is a huge bummer. Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare. Praise Him! And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning. So many of us here value the journey you are on…….
Press on, Brother!
The journey our brother is on is bondage. Keeping the law according to the letter and not the freedom of the Spirit.Ken,
Wow, great post!As I have been studying the Sabbath and enjoying the Sabbath – I have come to see that what you are saying is truth. But I do believe that some things are spiritually discerned and that is why I always say, “Truth comes to us all…..eventually!”
Because the Lord is truth, and he will reveal his Father (and purposes) to those who earnestly seek him. Kevin is doing just that. I'm confident that the Lord will guide his study. Pray for him as I am doing, and let's agree together to uphold him and encourage him.Thanks, Ken. Lately your posts have just blessed the socks off of me!
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:52) Ken,
Wow, great post!As I have been studying the Sabbath and enjoying the Sabbath – I have come to see that what you are saying is truth. But I do believe that some things are spiritually discerned and that is why I always say, “Truth comes to us all…..eventually!”
Because the Lord is truth, and he will reveal his Father (and purposes) to those who earnestly seek him. Kevin is doing just that. I'm confident that the Lord will guide his study. Pray for him as I am doing, and let's agree together to uphold him and encourage him.Thanks, Ken. Lately your posts have just blessed the socks off of me!
Sister I am convinced that these churches that teach the letter of the law are doing Satan's work no matter how sincere they are!The Sabbath is a BLESSING not bondage. We keep the Sabbath according to the Spirit that is LIBERTY. This is the New Covenant!
The Sabbath is NOT punishment!!!
You can take all those cannot teachings of men and throw them in the garbage! Because we have the SPIRIT of GOD to guide us EVERYDAY and also ON THE SABBATH.
Keep the Sabbath as it was meant to be kept in the Spirit. My if the Spirit of god tells you what you can do ON THAT Particular Sabbath then are you going to listen to man? Each Sabbath is a day with God. If the Father wants you to go in the country and have a picnic on one Sabbath does that mean that you are to have a picnic every Sabbath? NO! We are guided by the Spirit THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT DID NOT HAVE!
You are guided by the Spirit all week are we not to be guided by the Spirit on HIS SABBATH?
Keep the Sabbath in the SPIRIT.
God bless,
Ken
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 24 2007,10:22) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 24 2007,09:16) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,00:25) WJ and Not3, Not turning Jewish. I like ham and shellfish too much!! I am merely seeing what has happened to what the original followers of Jesus believed and taught and see where God would not want people honoring His day.
Charity,
Thanks!
Hi KJ:Honoring his day or his commandments? The Lord has given us every day in which to rejoice and honor Him.
Actually, if you really get down to it, Christianity as practiced by the first followers of Jesus (and NOT Paul) was very Jewish. There is no indication that the very first Christians were not Torah observant. The difference is that they saw Jesus as Messiah.But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable. Three headed gods, angels (or God Himself) inhabiting a body of flesh and dying on a tree, people thinking they will be a god too, etc.
Christianity started out as a heretical Jewish sect. Heretical in that they believed Jesus to be the Messiah. But as Paul took Christianity to the Gentiles, they proceeded to gut it and rob it of its Jewish roots.
Quote But no problem, if you want to keep Saturday as your Sabbath day because that is the day they kept in the bible, I think that is wonderful. Please be careful not to make a steady diet of ham and shellfish because I know that a steady diet of ham will lead to high blood pressure. The dietary laws that the Lord has given are good advice for the health of our body.
God Bless
I don't eat much ham. I just like it from time to time. And barbecue pork every once in awhile. But I love boiled shrimp!What I meant is that since Christianity moved so far from its Hebraic roots, God could very well have influenced early Christians to move from Saturday to Sunday. He could very well want only those who choose to be Torah observant to honor the Sabbath as the Jewish people do. Since most Christians don't see much value in the Torah, this makes sense.
kejonnI am confused at your words.
You say…
Quote
What I meant is that since Christianity moved so far from its Hebraic roots, God could very well have influenced early Christians to move from Saturday to Sunday. He could very well want only those who choose to be Torah observant to honor the Sabbath as the Jewish people do. Since most Christians don't see much value in the Torah, this makes sense.If breaking the Physical Sabbath is sin. Then you are saying God led his people to sin.
WJ,The Tanach makes it abundantly clear that the covenant with Abraham and then Moses would stand forever. The only change is that His commandments would be written on hearts.
God allowed the children of Israel to be led into several things because of their iniquities. So why would God not do the same with Christianity? It was man who decided to move to Sunday, and God allowed it. That is the beauty of free will.
Did not God allow Job to be tested and tried? And Job was faithful. How much more so will He allow other people who choose to go their own way continue to do just that.
Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 24 2007,10:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:46) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable.
KJ,I'm finding this to be true, too. I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding. Ha! I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity. Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear. This is a huge bummer. Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare. Praise Him! And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning. So many of us here value the journey you are on…….
Press on, Brother!
The journey our brother is on is bondage. Keeping the law according to the letter and not the freedom of the Spirit.
So you say. And I haven't listened to Ronald Dart in weeks
. What I am finding is not bondage but freedom. I am finally realizing that what I have been doing for 20 years was the true bondage. When you are open to truth and stop looking at things through pagan eyes, its amazing how many things become so clear.
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,04:12) Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 24 2007,10:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:46) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable.
KJ,I'm finding this to be true, too. I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding. Ha! I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity. Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear. This is a huge bummer. Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare. Praise Him! And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning. So many of us here value the journey you are on…….
Press on, Brother!
The journey our brother is on is bondage. Keeping the law according to the letter and not the freedom of the Spirit.
So you say. And I haven't listened to Ronald Dart in weeks . What I am finding is not bondage but freedom. I am finally realizing that what I have been doing for 20 years was the true bondage. When you are open to truth and stop looking at things through pagan eyes, its amazing how many things become so clear.
Whatever kevin…whatever.Have you bought your tent yet?
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,04:12) Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 24 2007,10:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:46) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable.
KJ,I'm finding this to be true, too. I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding. Ha! I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity. Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear. This is a huge bummer. Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare. Praise Him! And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning. So many of us here value the journey you are on…….
Press on, Brother!
The journey our brother is on is bondage. Keeping the law according to the letter and not the freedom of the Spirit.
So you say. And I haven't listened to Ronald Dart in weeks . What I am finding is not bondage but freedom. I am finally realizing that what I have been doing for 20 years was the true bondage. When you are open to truth and stop looking at things through pagan eyes, its amazing how many things become so clear.
Me three…. its a strange feeling to arive and find freedom from bondage, in the reverse manner, of which we have been taught to seek after it.Job, is a good example, his freinds words sound so perfect to read, yet God was not happy with them?
Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 24 2007,11:17) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,04:12) Quote (kenrch @ Oct. 24 2007,10:51) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 25 2007,03:46) Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 25 2007,02:30) But modern day Christianity is so far from the original Christianity that it is no longer recognizable.
KJ,I'm finding this to be true, too. I'm really disappointed in the truth that I am finding. Ha! I know that sounds funny, but I feel like I have been lied to on so many topics of Christianity. Now, having certain truths revealed to me, I am forced to change a belief and/or a practice once held dear. This is a huge bummer. Although the blessings of the LORD cannot compare. Praise Him! And keep coming back to give us tid-bits of what you are learning. So many of us here value the journey you are on…….
Press on, Brother!
The journey our brother is on is bondage. Keeping the law according to the letter and not the freedom of the Spirit.
So you say. And I haven't listened to Ronald Dart in weeks . What I am finding is not bondage but freedom. I am finally realizing that what I have been doing for 20 years was the true bondage. When you are open to truth and stop looking at things through pagan eyes, its amazing how many things become so clear.
Whatever kevin…whatever.Have you bought your tent yet?
No, have you given away all your possessions yet?- Mat 19:16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
Mat 19:18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Mat 19:20 The young man said to him, “All these I have kept. What do I still lack?”
Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Mat 19:22 When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.You have no idea what is going on in my spiritual walk right now. Once my eyes had been opened to the fallacy of the trinity, and my heart broken because of the way people treated me for it, it was then easy to see many more truths. After all, the fear was gone. All I had to look to was God, and when you can do that without care for what man might say, it is amazing how much will be revealed to you.
When I stopped believing in the trinity, it was devastating. But now I am finding peace and is because I look at the Bible –and subsequently God — in a much different light.
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