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So would you say that during the week when one has to be in this world they cannot sample the eternal rest as on the Sabbath when they cease from their worldly duties?
Kenrch…..Yes it's a (sample) or picture of a spiritual (principle) but only a sample or picture of it, but not the real thing, The real thing is when we believe, then we enter in to the real thing and we cease from the works of the flesh, we then are entering the real rest God intended and it's not just one day its every day for eternity………Just the way i see it Ken…….peace……gene
Kenrch……the sabbath day is certainly a good reminder if understood of that eternal rest hopefully we will all enter into. peace…….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2007,04:56) Kenrch……the sabbath day is certainly a good reminder if understood of that eternal rest hopefully we will all enter into. peace…….gene
Well Gene I would say EVERYONE should keep that “Sample” of the eternal rest. Just as under the old covenant people sacrificed animals as a sample until the Jesus fulfilled that Sample.So it is with the Sabbath Gene. It is the Sample of what IS to come. And only on the Sabbath are we FREE from our worldly duties so as to experience the Sabbath. You can say that we enter his rest everyday but you DO NOT cease from worldly duties everyday AS it will be in the “ETERNAL SABBATH”.
On the Sabbath you are closer to the Father BECAUSE you have “ceased” from your work as the Father did from His. As a result the world disappears and the Father draws closer. That is the blessing of the Sabbath.
If everyday is the same then you have not ceased from the world on the Sabbath day therefore the Father Cannot draw closer to you. In other words you are not separate from the world even on the Sabbath day.
JUST the way it is Gene
God bless,
Ken
If one has instruction from man on how to keep the Sabbath then how is that person walking in the Spirit?
Rom 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.This is why I say “again” the WWCG and the SDA do not have the Spirit of God! Those born again walk in the Spirit and the Spirit guides them in all things.
On the Sabbath you are IN the Spirit and have NO need of any person telling you how to keep His Day. If you need instruction on how to keep the Sabbath then you are NOT led by the Spirit of God. And are worried about what men think rather than the Father.
The blessings of “getting out of the world” and closer to the Father cannot be explained. Only as His peace it surpass all understanding
God bless you Gene,
Ken
Ken and Gen Walking in God's Holy Spirit cannot be explained you are right about that. Since we are the Temple of God and We have been Born again, We walk in the Spirit every Day. We are in that rest. We are under grace and eternal life is a gift from God by Faith in Christ Jesus. By good works that God has given to us. Does that mean we can Sin, certainly not. But Sin is not imputed to us. When we stay in the Spirit we do not sin. It is hard to understand, I agree. The road is steep and few will find it. Few will find it? I think about that all the time lately what did Jesus mean by that? Lets see there are more then a few that keep Sunday Holy and there are more then a few that keep the Sabbath. So what did Jesus mean by that? Who are those few? Like to have your input on that?
Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Kenrch…….>The law was made for the carnel mind. And the Israelites were not spiritual minded even when they were keeping the physical sabbath. A sample is only a sample but never the real thing, but we who believe have the real thing we don't need the sample. The Isrealites were carnel and only had a shadow of the real things.But we are spritual and have the real thing. The sabbath (day) is a fine teaching tool if used right. But if used as the Pharisees did it is wrong……remember a sample is only a sample and if thats what your happy with then be happy. ….GENE
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 01 2007,09:58) Kenrch…….>The law was made for the carnel mind. And the Israelites were not spiritual minded even when they were keeping the physical sabbath. A sample is only a sample but never the real thing, but we who believe have the real thing we don't need the sample. The Isrealites were carnel and only had a shadow of the real things.But we are spritual and have the real thing. The sabbath (day) is a fine teaching tool if used right. But if used as the Pharisees did it is wrong……remember a sample is only a sample and if thats what your happy with then be happy. ….GENE
And only on the Sabbath are we FREE from our worldly duties so as to experience the Sabbath. You can say that we enter his rest everyday but you DO NOT cease from worldly duties everyday AS it will be in the “ETERNAL SABBATH”.
On the Sabbath you are closer to the Father BECAUSE you have “ceased” from your work as the Father did from His. As a result the world disappears and the Father draws closer. That is the blessing of the Sabbath.If everyday is the same then you have not ceased from the world on the Sabbath day therefore the Father Cannot draw closer to you. In other words you are not separate from the world even on the Sabbath day.
If you don't forget about the world on the Sabbath Day then you are missing the blessing of the Sabbath the eternal rest.
Again YOU CANNOT forget about the world on the other six days of worldly work. This is what the Sabbath is for REST not just physiocal but spiritual also, forgeting about the worlds and entering the Sabbath rest of the LORD.
It seems Gene you are confused as to what the Sabbath is about coming from the WWCG. Always speaking of the Law. And we enter His rest everyday. How are we to forget the world when we work the other six days?
You must walk in the Spirit to experence the Sabbath.You teach the sabbath but then say it is not necessary because we enter His rest everyday. There is NO WAY you can enter His rest everyday as you do on His Sabbath. Otherwise ther would be no need for the Sabbath and ceaseing from your worldly works so as to enter the eternal Sabbath.
The definition of Heb 4:9 is thet because we have not entered the eternal Sabbath there remains a Sabbath rest for the “people of God”. Amen
I pray that this pass the flesh and enters your spirit,
Ken
Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 01 2007,09:34) Ken and Gen Walking in God's Holy Spirit cannot be explained you are right about that. Since we are the Temple of God and We have been Born again, We walk in the Spirit every Day. We are in that rest. We are under grace and eternal life is a gift from God by Faith in Christ Jesus. By good works that God has given to us. Does that mean we can Sin, certainly not. But Sin is not imputed to us. When we stay in the Spirit we do not sin. It is hard to understand, I agree. The road is steep and few will find it. Few will find it? I think about that all the time lately what did Jesus mean by that? Lets see there are more then a few that keep Sunday Holy and there are more then a few that keep the Sabbath. So what did Jesus mean by that? Who are those few? Like to have your input on that? Peace and Love Mrs.:D
Mrs everyday you have the world on your mind. On the Sabbath their is NO world only the Father and His rest. The example of the eternal rest.Ken
Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 01 2007,09:34) Ken and Gen Walking in God's Holy Spirit cannot be explained you are right about that. Since we are the Temple of God and We have been Born again, We walk in the Spirit every Day. We are in that rest. We are under grace and eternal life is a gift from God by Faith in Christ Jesus. By good works that God has given to us. Does that mean we can Sin, certainly not. But Sin is not imputed to us. When we stay in the Spirit we do not sin. It is hard to understand, I agree. The road is steep and few will find it. Few will find it? I think about that all the time lately what did Jesus mean by that? Lets see there are more then a few that keep Sunday Holy and there are more then a few that keep the Sabbath. So what did Jesus mean by that? Who are those few? Like to have your input on that? Peace and Love Mrs.:D
No Mrs their are very few that walk in the Spirit and keep the Sabbath in the Spirit. Most follow man's rules like the WWCG and the SDA. In fact their are more who don't believe to keep the Sabbath at all because they follow the harlot. So their are FEW that keep the sabbatn just like their are few that don't believe the Trinity.Ken You are such a self righteous person and I don't want to have nothing to do with you. I thought I could have some kind of fellowship with you, but the way you stress the Sabbath is like what the Scribes and Pharisees did. No thanks Goodbye to you and good luck I will never answer anymore of your posts. You miss the whole point of being a Christian. I really feel sorry for you. Goodbye.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Oct. 01 2007,16:32) Ken You are such a self righteous person and I don't want to have nothing to do with you. I thought I could have some kind of fellowship with you, but the way you stress the Sabbath is like what the Scribes and Pharisees did. No thanks Goodbye to you and good luck I will never answer anymore of your posts. You miss the whole point of being a Christian. I really feel sorry for you. Goodbye.
Mrs now who is the name caller. I simply said how I keep the Sabbath Spiritually, that's all! But for some reason just the mention of the Sabbath “sets you off”.On the Sabbath you are free from the world and it's duties. On the other days you cannot be free to worship as you can on the Sabbath that is the example of the eternal Sabbath which is to come.
You simply hate the Sabbath day no matter how anyone explains it. Why? well I still say it's because of the way you were taught by the MEN of the WWCG—BONDAGE.
On the Sabbath the world is gone and the Father is closer. Why wouldn't any one want that?
Again you cannot forget the world when you have worldly duties to do.
The law, the law, the law, THE LAW WAS MADE SPIRITUAL! You cannot keep the Sabbath the way it was ment to be kept by the letter of the law which is the only way you know how to keep it. We walk in the Spirit Mrs we keep the Sabbath IN THAT SPIRIT.
Therefore MRS their remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. I am VERY sorry that you cannot seem to shake the teachings that you received from the WWCG.
And I sorry that no one could ever reach you in the matter of the Sabbath I pray that may be someone else will.
I'm sorry that you feel that I'm self righteous for sharing the truth about God's forth commandment that you refuse to keep.
God bless and help you ,
Ken
Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 28 2007,02:52) Here is a question for some of you. I have a regular secular job from Monday to Friday. What if I were to volunteer my time to a local mission or something similar on Saturday? Or if I participated in a prison ministry? This would be “work” per se, but I think we can see that Yeshua “worked” in a similar fashion on the Sabbath. That is, he was doing good on the Sabbath. By volunteering my time to one of these efforts, I can serve others and potentially share the Good News of Christ with them. Just a thought.
I agree with you kejonn.Yeshua saved people on the Sabbath and we are to be like him.
Yeshua was also a carpenter, but I would imagine that he didn't make a table for example on the Sabbath.Yeshua said that his burden is light and not heavy. So his burden on the Sabbath shouldn't be considered as work in the traditional sense or a violation of the Sabbath.
Anyway what is greater, Christ's burden or the Sabbath Day?
We labour for Christ now, but in the Millennium, we will probably rest from that too.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 02 2007,08:53) Quote (kejonn @ Sep. 28 2007,02:52) Here is a question for some of you. I have a regular secular job from Monday to Friday. What if I were to volunteer my time to a local mission or something similar on Saturday? Or if I participated in a prison ministry? This would be “work” per se, but I think we can see that Yeshua “worked” in a similar fashion on the Sabbath. That is, he was doing good on the Sabbath. By volunteering my time to one of these efforts, I can serve others and potentially share the Good News of Christ with them. Just a thought.
I agree with you kejonn.Yeshua saved people on the Sabbath and we are to be like him.
Yeshua was also a carpenter, but I would imagine that he didn't make a table for example on the Sabbath.Yeshua said that his burden is light and not heavy. So his burden on the Sabbath shouldn't be considered as work in the traditional sense or a violation of the Sabbath.
Anyway what is greater, Christ's burden or the Sabbath Day?
We labour for Christ now, but in the Millennium, we will probably rest from that too.
Hi Kejohn & t8:In the book of Genesis, God rested on the seventh day having seen the end result from the beginning.
I believe that I am learning that we are in God's sixth day from the creation of mankind even unto the present, and those who have died in faith have entered into the Sabbath day rest and we who continue in faith and are alive when Jesus comes for the church will enter into the Seventh Day Sabbath at that time.
In the following scripture, Jesus is healing the sick on the Sabbath day, and he indicates that God His Father is working and he is also working. The work saving God's children from the consequence of sin in ongoing until the Lord comes for the church.
Quote John 5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. 3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. 4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. 5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? 7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. 8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. 10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed. 11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. 12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? 13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude F12 being in that place. 14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. 15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole. 16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
God Bless
Good radio show, heard it this morning. Check it out for more info on the Sabbath in the NT Church.
http://www.borntowin.net/radioprograms/christian_holidays_21.mp3
The 10 Commandments were written in stone (not to ever be changed). That is what is meant by “written in stone.”
But they were changed, weren't they? Jesus changed the regulations of the Sabbath Day. He also changed the qualifications for adultery and so on. Some Commandments, therefore, became “spiritual” while other's remained in stone. For instance, you cannot make not stealing “spiritual”.
Why is this? Why are some changed while other's remain the same?
The OT and the 10 Commandments give regulations to the Sabbath (the Seventh Day and other rules for work, meal prep, and so on).
The NT changes the regulations for the Sabbath (you can work, heal and so on).If the regulations are changed and become spiritual, why does the exact day have to be inforced?
If you want to follow the 10 Commandments……then you would have to include all the requirments for the Sabbath as well as keeping it on the correct day. Right?Mandy What most do not understand is that God made different COVENANTS with different people. Each time He has done that He has included different Commandments. Now if you study the Covenants I think you will understand what God expects of us right now! I really believe that OUR road is steep for us AND FEW WILL FIND IT IT SAYS.
Peace AND Love Irene
Were these last 2 reactions to the link I provided? Did you all listen to the whole recording? Mr. Dart brought up some certain aspects that have not even been covered in the multitude of pages in this thread.
Here's a follow-up: http://www.borntowin.net/radioprograms/christian_holidays_22.mp3
Here's an important verse from the broadcast
Exo 31:13 “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
Quote (kejonn @ Oct. 02 2007,22:56) Were these last 2 reactions to the link I provided? Did you all listen to the whole recording? Mr. Dart brought up some certain aspects that have not even been covered in the multitude of pages in this thread. Here's a follow-up: http://www.borntowin.net/radioprograms/christian_holidays_22.mp3
Here's an important verse from the broadcast
Exo 31:13 “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.
Yeap! That's what the Sabbath does I've said it many times that the Sabbath says that Jehovah IS your Creator which is why Satan HATES the Sabbath and is why Satan changed it.As far as the feast days you will have to talk to Laurel. As far as I know Jesus fulfilled all the laws concerning Himself, Luke 22:26-27, 44.
As the broadcast says Paul taught the Gentiles on the Sabbath. The RCC (Harlot) changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week.
Again the law was made spiritual …not done away with.
Thanks kejonn God bless,
Ken
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