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Quote (t8 @ April 01 2013,09:12) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2013,08:57) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,10:25) T8, Scripture states we are Jesus' children as well as his brothers.
Hebrews 2:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Jesus refers to the children OF GOD that God gave to him out of this world:John 17:6
I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.Your scripture does not say these children of God who were given to Jesus out of the world became the CHILDREN of Jesus.
As t8 aptly pointed out, one cannot be both a brother and a child to the same person. We are to be BROTHERS of Christ, and SONS of God. Not brothers to God, nor sons to Jesus.
Correct Mike.The children are not children of Jesus. He gave Jesus the children of God and Jesus calls them brothers.
T8True, agree
Mike and T8,
I posted this to terraricca previously.
Quote John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
According to the definition Jesus uses in verse 39 are his obedient students his children?
Hi,
Gal.4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
After the marriage, I wonder what Jesus new name IS?
Peace brothers.
Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,21:31) Mike and T8, I posted this to terraricca previously.
Quote John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
According to the definition Jesus uses in verse 39 are his obedient students his children?
KThe brothers of CHRIST are those who have a heavenly call,and are numbered to 144k,
But all at one point were children of God given to Christ for redemption and so they were perfected in him ,by following him in his work,and so became his brothers,
But not all will be his heavenly brothers some will be his earthly brothers ,after all he his the son of God and the son of man ,
And so it is how we have to apply your scripture words that Christ Said to the Pharesees in,John8:39
And as t8 and Mike said we are all children of God but refined through his son ,to be presented righteous into the eyes of his father ,being reconciled ,
To all,
Galatians 4:26-31
King James Version (KJV)26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
To all,
Ephesians 1:5
King James Version (KJV)5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,02:32) To all, Ephesians 1:5
King James Version (KJV)5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
KEph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
KJV
Eph 1:5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—
NIVthe “HE” his God almighty
Ephesians 1:5
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He did this by predestining 1 us to adoption as his 2 sons 3 through Jesus Christ, according to the pleasure 4 of his will –
NIV ©
he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—
NASB ©
He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
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His unchanging plan has always been to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. And this gave him great pleasure.
MSG ©
Long, long ago he decided to adopt us into his family through Jesus Christ. (What pleasure he took in planning this!)
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As we were designed before by him for the position of sons to himself, through Jesus Christ, in the good pleasure of his purpose,
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He destined us for adoption as his children through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will,
NKJV ©
having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,so we are children of God ,that God give to his son so we may becomes sons of God almighty
Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2013,21:31) Mike and T8, I posted this to terraricca previously.
Quote John 8:39
King James Version (KJV)39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does. The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.
According to the definition Jesus uses in verse 39 are his obedient students his children?
Kallegorically the Pharisees,claim to have for a father Abraham according to the flesh (meant offspring of )but Christ takes it in a same way in his answer to them ,saying BUT changes to the spiritual view or application; If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
That's close to how I understand it, Pierre. But the fact is that the Pharisees WERE INDEED literal children of Abraham. They were literally the descendants of Abraham, and therefore his children.
Jesus' point was, You guys sure don't act like righteous Abraham, so how do you have the audacity to claim him as your father?
Of course, Jesus said it in better words.
But there is nothing in Jesus' words to imply that anyone is HIS child.
Quote (terraricca @ April 01 2013,14:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,02:32) To all, Ephesians 1:5
King James Version (KJV)5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
KEph 1:5 NIV
he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—the “HE” is God almighty
Correct, Pierre.Kerwin, do you see this?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2013,07:00) That's close to how I understand it, Pierre. But the fact is that the Pharisees WERE INDEED literal children of Abraham. They were literally the descendants of Abraham, and therefore his children. Jesus' point was, You guys sure don't act like righteous Abraham, so how do you have the audacity to claim him as your father?
Of course, Jesus said it in better words.
But there is nothing in Jesus' words to imply that anyone is HIS child.
I can agree with that ,it means the same to me
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:17) David is a root and branch of Jesse.
Show me in scripture that David is a root of Jesse. In fact, show me from ANY WRITING that a son is the “root OF” his own father.Kerwin?
To all,
Isaiah 9:6
King James Version (KJV)6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
To all,
Galatians 4:19
King James Version (KJV)19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
1 John 2:1
King James Version (KJV)2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
To all,
Isaiah 53:10
King James Version (KJV)10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
To all,
Galatians 3:7
King James Version (KJV)7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2013,07:07) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:17) David is a root and branch of Jesse.
Show me in scripture that David is a root of Jesse. In fact, show me from ANY WRITING that a son is the “root OF” his own father.Kerwin?
Mike,Do you understand the way of speech where you call a family group by the name of its patriarch?
Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,12:12) To all, Isaiah 53:10
King James Version (KJV)10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
K
This is talking about Jesus ,Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2013,00:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 02 2013,07:07) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,14:17) David is a root and branch of Jesse.
Show me in scripture that David is a root of Jesse. In fact, show me from ANY WRITING that a son is the “root OF” his own father.Kerwin?
Mike,Do you understand the way of speech where you call a family group by the name of its patriarch?
KYes ,but I never seen were the patriarch is the seed of the group
Yes patriarch are the ROOT of their descend people ,
Root being origin and seed being FROM the origin
Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2013,12:00) To all, Galatians 4:19
King James Version (KJV)19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
1 John 2:1
King James Version (KJV)2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
KIt seems you do not understand those scriptures ,if you would ,you would not have used them to justifie or answer our question,
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