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Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 10 2011,12:56) Yes Ed, It was not included in the cannon. It was written in 70ad, about the same exact time of the destruction of the temple, 30 years before the book of Revelation. I do not depend on it as “sacred” scripture, but as I read it , it rang true to my spirit as “inspired”, much like when I found the book of Enoch here and got involved in heaven net. The book, to me, filled in the blanks from the bible that Enoch didn't. I do not use deuterocanical books in a discussion of theology, but refer to them in their decriptions of last events, much like Jude did. Peace-Mark
Mark! Ezra is in my Bible, but it does not say what you quote it says……How come…..is there another Book of Ezra? If there is, I would not use it as prove of anything…..1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Peace and love Irene
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 10 2011,12:56) Yes Ed, It was not included in the cannon. It was written in 70ad, about the same exact time of the destruction of the temple, 30 years before the book of Revelation. I do not depend on it as “sacred” scripture, but as I read it , it rang true to my spirit as “inspired”, much like when I found the book of Enoch here and got involved in heaven net. The book, to me, filled in the blanks from the bible that Enoch didn't. I do not use deuterocanical books in a discussion of theology, but refer to them in their decriptions of last events, much like Jude did. Peace-Mark
Hi Mark,II Esdras was 'rejected' from being considered “Canon”;
I wouldn't put any trust in non-Biblical writings.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDoes that mean that the book of Enoch here should be removed? It's the way I found H-net. Why is it here? Who wanted it? Who deemed it worthy to post? When Jude quotes it in the book of Jude, is that erred too?Peace-Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 16 2011,08:36) Does that mean that the book of Enoch here should be removed? It's the way I found H-net. Why is it here? Who wanted it? Who deemed it worthy to post? When Jude quotes it in the book of Jude, is that erred too?Peace-Mark
Hi Mark,Both the “Book of Enoch” and the “Book of Jasher” are mentioned in
“The Bible”. (Jude 1:14 / Josh.10:13 / 2Sam:1:18)
While II Esdras is NOT!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2011,20:26) Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 10 2011,12:56) Yes Ed, It was not included in the cannon. It was written in 70ad, about the same exact time of the destruction of the temple, 30 years before the book of Revelation. I do not depend on it as “sacred” scripture, but as I read it , it rang true to my spirit as “inspired”, much like when I found the book of Enoch here and got involved in heaven net. The book, to me, filled in the blanks from the bible that Enoch didn't. I do not use deuterocanical books in a discussion of theology, but refer to them in their decriptions of last events, much like Jude did. Peace-Mark
Hi Mark,II Esdras was 'rejected' from being considered “Canon”;
I wouldn't put any trust in non-Biblical writings.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you say rejected from the cannon, as were these books.Also, I do not depend on them, but I read them to glean what my spirit tells me is useful information.
One thing that I think of, it seemed to me that any writings that described the son of God in detail, were left out of the cannon. The Jews did not want anything that gave obvious glory to Jesus.
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 16 2011,23:18) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 15 2011,20:26) Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 10 2011,12:56) Yes Ed, It was not included in the cannon. It was written in 70ad, about the same exact time of the destruction of the temple, 30 years before the book of Revelation. I do not depend on it as “sacred” scripture, but as I read it , it rang true to my spirit as “inspired”, much like when I found the book of Enoch here and got involved in heaven net. The book, to me, filled in the blanks from the bible that Enoch didn't. I do not use deuterocanical books in a discussion of theology, but refer to them in their decriptions of last events, much like Jude did. Peace-Mark
Hi Mark,II Esdras was 'rejected' from being considered “Canon”;
I wouldn't put any trust in non-Biblical writings.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
you say rejected from the cannon, as were these books.
Hi Mark,When a person is not well grounded in what the Scriptures say,
they can be confused by any writing that is outside of Biblical “Canon”.
Heb.5:11,13 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered,
seeing ye are dull of hearing. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word
of righteousness: for he is a babe. (they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they
do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.) (II Peter 3:13) (Isaiah 28:10-12)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,00:26) One thing that I think of, it seemed to me that any writings that described the son of God in detail, were left out of the cannon. The Jews did not want anything that gave obvious glory to Jesus.
Hi Mark,“The Jews” were NOT the ones who decided what was Biblical Canon, but “Christians”!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgOld testament bro,
“In the several centurys before the coming of Christ, the JEWS in palistine re-examined and eliminated some of the books from the existing collection as not in harmony with the law of moses and as of doubtful inspiration. The PHARISEES set up four criteria 1-They had to be in harmony with the Tora, 2-they had to be written before the time of Ezra 3-they had to be written in hebrew and 4They had to be written in Palestine. That eliminated Judith,Wisdom, 2 Maccabees, Tobit, and parts of Daniel and Ester.From the earliest times, the Christian Church recognized the Alexandrine canon. Jesus himself quoted from this bible. It was not until the Reformation was this canon seriously challenged. Luther rejected the deuterocanonical books, Hebrews, James, Jude, and the apocalypse, but protestants later reinserted them.”
“Those books accepted by the Septuagint or Greek version of the Hebrew bible but which the JEWS rejected after the time of Christ are called “Deutero-Canonical” books. They , together with parts of Daniel and Ester, are not accepted as part of the bible by Protestants or Jews.”
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,01:27) Old testament bro, “In the several centurys before the coming of Christ, the JEWS in palistine re-examined and eliminated some of the books from the existing collection as not in harmony with the law of moses and as of doubtful inspiration. The PHARISEES set up four criteria 1-They had to be in harmony with the Tora, 2-they had to be written before the time of Ezra 3-they had to be written in hebrew and 4They had to be written in Palestine. That eliminated Judith,Wisdom, 2 Maccabees, Tobit, and parts of Daniel and Ester.From the earliest times, the Christian Church recognized the Alexandrine canon. Jesus himself quoted from this bible. It was not until the Reformation was this canon seriously challenged. Luther rejected the deuterocanonical books, Hebrews, James, Jude, and the apocalypse, but protestants later reinserted them.”
“Those books accepted by the Septuagint or Greek version of the Hebrew bible but which the JEWS rejected after the time of Christ are called “Deutero-Canonical” books. They , together with parts of Daniel and Ester, are not accepted as part of the bible by Protestants or Jews.”
Hi Mark,“The Jews” reject any writings that were not written in “Hebrew”, so your point is 'MOOT”!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You said christians decided what was in the old testament. I showed you where Jews determined it. Whats Moot?But are you saying that whoever determined it, I should not give credence to it, if it is not canon?
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,12:08) You said christians decided what was in the old testament. I showed you where Jews determined it. Whats Moot?
Hi Mark,No, I said: “Christians” determined the 66 books that are in “The Bible”!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,12:11) But are you saying that whoever determined it, I should not give credence to it, if it is not canon?
Hi Mark,Christians that are not well grounded in what the Scriptures say,
can get confused by writings that are outside of Biblical “Canon”.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,15:11) But are you saying that whoever determined it, I should not give credence to it, if it is not canon?
Mark, I have the Jerusalem Bible which has what you mention, such as wisdom. I also learnt a lot from the sheppard of hermas. I dont understand why some people seem to want to avoid these books. There has to be a reason?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2011,12:37) Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,12:11) But are you saying that whoever determined it, I should not give credence to it, if it is not canon?
Hi Mark,Christians that are not well grounded in what the Scriptures say,
can get confused by writings that are outside of Biblical “Canon”.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
But Ed,Don't take offense to this- As you your very self just posted, Isn't that the very reason why your own book should be avoided? It definately is not canon. That seems VERY contradictory to me coming from you. Case in point-The bible says that Jesus will come on the clouds in some places. In other places it states he will come in Judgement. Revalations 22:20 “Yes, I am coming soon!”, which was absolutely after pentecost, yet you claim he came at pentacost in your book. Aren't you one of the confusing sources in light of what you just posted? Why separate “flesh” and “spirit” with Jesus? What purpose does it serve? But the main question-Why should anyone give credence to your book since it is no doubt not canonical? Peace-Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,22:28) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2011,12:37) Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,12:11) But are you saying that whoever determined it, I should not give credence to it, if it is not canon?
Hi Mark,Christians that are not well grounded in what the Scriptures say,
can get confused by writings that are outside of Biblical “Canon”.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
But Ed,Don't take offense to this- As you your very self just posted, Isn't that the very reason why your own book should be avoided? It definately is not canon. That seems VERY contradictory to me coming from you. Case in point-The bible says that Jesus will come on the clouds in some places. In other places it states he will come in Judgement. Revalations 22:20 “Yes, I am coming soon!”, which was absolutely after pentecost, yet you claim he came at pentacost in your book. Aren't you one of the confusing sources in light of what you just posted? Why separate “flesh” and “spirit” with Jesus? What purpose does it serve? But the main question-Why should anyone give credence to your book since it is no doubt not canonical? Peace-Mark
Hi Mark,“HolyCityBibleCode” was written for teachers of God's word,
which are well grounded in Scripture; and for 'Atheists',
who need documented “Proof” of God's existence.
There is “NO hypocrisy” in any of my words.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Feb. 17 2011,22:28) Why separate “flesh” and “spirit” with Jesus? What purpose does it serve?
Hi Mark,Heb.4:12 For “The Word” of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the
joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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