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Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:31) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,21:59) if you reject the Pope, you reject Paul. How can that be when the popes didn't even come on the scene until well after the days of paul, and them teachings different things. The very title of Pope itself contradicts Christ's teaching. Pope means Papa, or father…
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Quote (karmarie @ Aug. 04 2009,22:44) Quote I have to agree there are people who do give etc to look good, but there are also people who do good for others just out of compassion and feeling for others. God looks on the heart. The only ones who truly do good are already part of God's church, and have God's love flowing through them. It is God's spirit in them that does the good, it is not the nature of the people themselves.
Here's a simple question: If somebody goes around doing good deeds, but fails to obey God, will they receive eternal life?
Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,23:46) Here's a simple question: If somebody goes around doing good deeds, but fails to obey God, will they receive eternal life? I do not know the answer to that question only God does.
Obeying God means not sinning. I know that God cannot dwell with sin. Sin can be lust, anger, adultery, coveting etc, or even filling your mind with bad tv programs, if you sin then Gods spirit cant dwell in you for long, without Gods spirit, I personally never felt the desire to help others as in strangers, only those I knew in my circle of friends which is completly different.
Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,23:41) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:31) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,21:59) if you reject the Pope, you reject Paul. How can that be when the popes didn't even come on the scene until well after the days of paul, and them teachings different things. The very title of Pope itself contradicts Christ's teaching. Pope means Papa, or father…
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
It is totally wrong to say that anyone is like Paul, except our own Father and to even get away from that we can call Him Dad.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (karmarie @ Aug. 05 2009,00:18) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,23:46) Here's a simple question: If somebody goes around doing good deeds, but fails to obey God, will they receive eternal life? I do not know the answer to that question only God does.
God gives you that answer in his word, and the answer is that you have to obey God.
Quote Obeying God means not sinning. I know that God cannot dwell with sin. Sin can be lust, anger, adultery, coveting etc, or even filling your mind with bad tv programs, if you sin then Gods spirit cant dwell in you for long, without Gods spirit, I personally never felt the desire to help others as in strangers, only those I knew in my circle of friends which is completly different. Yes we are to strive not to sin, but we will sin, and that is why Jesus had to die. We can ask for forgiveness in his name, but repentance is more than that. Repentance is turning from your sin, and striving to continue to do so.
Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 05 2009,01:58) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,23:41) Quote (Cindy @ Aug. 04 2009,22:31) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,21:59) if you reject the Pope, you reject Paul. How can that be when the popes didn't even come on the scene until well after the days of paul, and them teachings different things. The very title of Pope itself contradicts Christ's teaching. Pope means Papa, or father…
Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
It is totally wrong to say that anyone is like Pal, except our own Father and to even get away from that we can call Him Dad.
Peace and Love Irene
Matthew 5:19
Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Hi all,
Ptr775 – you do not know me personally. The only ones who could attest to that is Wayne & Chris Matthews, Nathan and Sharna. None of them would be on a forum like this, being obedient to Ron's 'suggestion'.
Just to raise a few issues. Ron stated that the first timing WAS given to him by God – but when everything FAILED, he then said he 'misunderstood'.
Ie. GFW: Page 24, first para : “God has given to Jesus Christ the timing for the seals to be opened, and Jesus Christ in turn has given the timing to me.”
Ron also claims that the books were written to the 3 main relegions of the World – so it would be obvious to whom God was working. Ptr775 claims that this 'testing' was to separate the sheeps from the goats.
GFW Page 24, para 3: “However, God is going to begin removing the skepticism of the WORLD, especially once the seventh seal is opened.”
GFW Page 51: 3rd Para: “God is about to prove that this book is telling the truth! He will do so with power unleashed beyond any that He has ever used to reveal to man that He is their Creator.” – OK, by a failed first timeline, which Ron stated was given to him by God, by not proving his final witness and ALL his other failed prophecies (no new president etc).
Remember, Ron stated that the very VALIDITY of his 2 books would be proven by the TIMING coming to pass EXACTLY as he stated, and the EVENTS as stated EXACTLY would come to pass.
GFW : Page 4, first paragraph: “The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the TIMING and the destruction that follows, EXACTLY as both books describe.”
So, then this book is a lie if instead the purpose was to separate the sheep from the goats.
If Ron's book is true, and things need to happen EXACTLY as the books state, then why was the second witness revealed OUTSIDE the tribulation? (She was revealed during the first 'wrong' or 'misunderstood' timeline).
GFW: Page 16, Para 2: “The other witness will be revealed to the world DURING the time of the great tribulation – WITHIN the final the and one-half years of man’s era.”
GFW Page 51, “This book is the truth!” – Ok, so it is the 'truth', but nothing it says has come to pass. mmmmmm.
GFW: Page 5, Last para: “NOW is the time God has chosen to begin revealing himself fully to this world.” But again, Ptr775 believes all this is to seperate the sheep from the goats.
So which is it? Is God NOW beginning to reveal himself to the world, by using is most FORMIDABLE prophets of all time, by GIVING Ron a WRONG first timeline (Ptr775 I have shown above that Ron said he WAS GIVEN the first timeline) then giving the CORRECT 2nd timeline to another COG group first, then allowing Ron to make other false prophecies, then not proving Ron by 'delaying' the start of the Tribulation? OR, is all this just to seperate the sheep from the goats in a tiny COG-PKG group?
GFW: Page 11, para 3: “These two witnesses will be the most FORMIDABLE prophets God has ever used in all 6,000 years of human history.”
GFW: Page 57, para 3: “God’s 2 end time prophets will exercise great power, both in power DISPLAYED on the earth and in power of the revelation of God – more than all other prophets combined.”
GFW: Page 57, para 4: “As I have stated, I am one of those prophets, and I am also the spokesman of both. That which I am telling you is NOT OF ME, IT IS FROM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM.” (Ptr775 : how could Ron then turn around and say he 'misunderstood', that he calculated the time himself? He says here he was GIVEN IT. Again, wasn't until it FAILED that he turned around and said he had calculated it for himself.
Ron says that God will PROVE who he sends.
GFW: Page 58, Para 4: “God will PROVE whom He sends. Just as prophetic events will unfold with increasing power and frequency, so will I increase in power and recognition by others because of the job God has placed before me. It is Gods purpose, and He will do it.”
Ron states in his book that the opening of the 7th Seal (for the SECOND time in Nov 08) would be a warning to the WORLD (not just for a warning to the scattered, or those in PKG).
GFW: Page 60, Para 1: “The opening of the seventh seal will serve as a warning to the world that the final end time tribulation has come…”
Ron states that God will humble the CHURCH AND THE WORLD and do this through events described in the book and by this very means PROVE through whom he is working (by a 'misunderstood' first timeline, failed prophecies etc). Ron also states that no signs will be used in the form of healing.
GFW: Page 104, last paragraph : “God will humble the Church, and He will humble the WORLD through end time events described in this book. It is by this very means that God will reveal through whom He is now working. Specifically regarding his two end time witnesses, it will be by the power given to them for destruction and plagues, NOT HEALING.”
GFW: Page 104 last paragraph: “Escalating deaths in the leadership of the scattered groups will serve as a witness of who it is through whom God is working. It will not be done through miraculous signs of healing.”
So escalating DEATHS of scattered groups is also to serve as a WITNESS to whom God is working through. Well over 7 months into the Second Tribulation, and no deaths yet. I'm glad you have been healed 3 times though Ptr775.
GFW: Page 107, Paragraph 3: (Note – this is written after the book went to great length to describe Elijah’s petition of God to let the people know he was His servant – and God answered by burning the sacrifice.) “I have also made a petition to the Eternal God of Abraham. My petition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder (note: of the 6th Seal) be fulfilled exactly as it is written here.” – FAILED. Twice now we have been in the fifth thunder of the 6th Seal – we are now in the 7th, (for the second time) – petition NOT GRANTED.
Ron also states that the 7 thunders are a PRELUDE to the tribulation. PRELUDE means TO COME BEFORE.
GFW: Page 110, Para 2: (NOTE: Ron has stated in the past that the thunders will continue on into the great tribulation and increase in intensity – but..) “The Seven Thunders have much to do with how God will reveal his two witnesses. These thunders serve as a PRELUDE to the final tribulation, and the greater manifestation of those 2 witnesses.”
GFW: Page 111, Para 2: “The answer that I am who I say I am will be given by the events described in both books coming true EXACTLY has I have described. THIS WILL BE THE PROOF THAT I AM God’s end time witness and spokesman. But before great power is given to me to perform miraculous events similar to those of Moses (but with far greater power), once the seventh seal is opened (note – not delayed until the 5th trumpet of the seventh seal!) and the final three and one half years of worldwide tribulation, God has reserved these seven thunders for me to declare.”
Page 115, last para: “BEFORE the seventh (and final) seal is opened (opened for the 2nd time Nov 08), the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth.” (again, Ron’s petition was that the fifth thunder of the 6th seal be fulfilled exactly as written, to prove he is God’s servant – so this thunder at least should have occurred BEFORE the seventh seal was opened – for the second time. For those who argue that I may not be willing to admit the truth, well I did follow Ron for the first 2 timelines – I think that proves I was willing to admit the truth – shame it turned out to be, yes FALSE.)
GFW: Page 118, para 1 (speaking of the first trumpet) : “When we are told that a third of all plant life will be de
stroyed, that is exactly what it means.”Ron then changed the meaning of this to something spiritual, after of course insinuating that it was the green american currency burning.
GFW: Page 118, para 1 “It should also be noted, that in the first trumpet there is fire mingled with blood. Blood means there will be much death when this event occurs. Most of it will be the death of animals and birds, but also a large number of people will die – into the tens of thousands.”
I don't know who you are Ptr775, may have met you at the Feast briefly – but please do not claim to know me personally.
Please also do not insult my intelligence by suggesting that I am a goat.
I believed Ron, and I believed his Truths, I believed his BOOK – which above, on just a few items (there are many more) – HAS PROVEN FALSE.
I leave you all with this to consider, and it has been a pleasure visiting with you all. I trust many of you can learn from my experiences which I share over on Mike's blog at Don't Drink the Flavour Aid.
Take care,
KirrilyHI Kirrily
And welcome!
All I can say is “WOW”! Sorry you went through all of that. But your post is tremendously enlightening and is proof that this guy is a false prophet, simply by the failed multitude of his claims in his books!
It is sad that so many believe him and what is sadder is it could possibly lead to another Jim Jones situation if this guy continues to be believed. IMO
Anyway thanks again for your testimony and keep fighting the good fight of faith!
Blessings Keith!
Hi Ptr
Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 04 2009,04:10) By the way, the term prophet means more than simply a fortune teller, it also means inspired speaking, or teaching. If you can find fault with Ron's doctrine, I'd like to hear it.
I think Kirrily just did!WJ
ptr775 How sad that you still want to believe in Ron. When I first heard of him, I said are you kidding me! I know Mr. Weinland personal. He was the Assistant Minister in the W.W. Church of God here in Cincinnati for 10 years, were my Husband and I were members. When in 1994-95 everything went bad and the Church went back to believe in the mainstream Christianity, we stayed Home and did not attend any Church since then. God has been very good to us, and Hew has revealed may truth's to us, since then. I really am sorry for all the misery the Mr. Weinland caused. I guess he wanted to built an Empire like Mr. Armstrong did.
I am happy tho that all is over for all involved, and you all are on the way back to God.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (ptr775 @ Aug. 05 2009,19:17) So Kirrily, you have become Antichrist.
I continue to pray for you.
NO, I think she has become anti-Ron, and that is a good thing.Georg
Kirrily, You say Ron was wrong about the “timing”, but you yourself told me you understood and believed the timing of the 50th truth before it even came from Ron, months before. You know WHY you understood it! It was because of God's spirit! The framework of the timing was correct, and deep down you know that. You say that because Laura was revealed before the tribulation started, that Ron is false, but you know you knew who the second witness was before it was even revealed by Ron!
I can't tell you how much it pains me to see you posting such things, especially calling the church of God the whore. You know that everything you learned that was true came through the church of God. We miss you Kirrily, more than you will ever know. I am on the verge of tears witting this. These people are using you to spread their hate of the truth, only a 8 months ago you would have understood this. I won't say anything else on this forum out of respect and love for you.
Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 05 2009,20:07) She has rejected the message, not the messenger.
Greetings ptr……I have read RWs books twice,I have given money to his ministry and had occasion to meet him personally. I cannot say that I know him but,I did get a sense of his conviction and belief in what he is doing…I have no doubt that he believes he and his wife are the end time witnesses..I also concur with your observation as far as the finances involved with running his church….RW is living modestly when we look at some of the so called super churches ….I find no fault with his doctrinal teaching and in fact I have been enlightened….The one issue Iam not sure of and I have not been able to satisfy, is he a true prophet of God.
Perhaps I have overlooked some obvious signs…If you can help please fill in the voids…I find his timeline correction and all his prophesy attached explanation to be honest and humble,however,at the time RW was teaching with the same conviction and he was wrong…What has changed??Hi all,
Thought I would share another piece I posted on Mike's blog:-
I know I said this last week, but again, why does God’s most formidable prophet of all time feel the need to look at what his critics are saying? Why does he care?
Yes Ron, I will admit I have been miserable – let me explain……
You see, on the 17 April, 2008 (USA time) – I was sick to the stomach as I turned on the Television expecting some ‘powerful event’ that was newsworthy, beginning the process of destruction of 1/3 plant life and tens of thousands of deaths over a period of 45-90 days.
I had handed out your business cards and warned as many loved ones as I could. I had handed out your books, as you told us too, as possible. People had asked me about the ‘truths’ and I shared with them God’s plan of salvation, His love toward us, His correction toward us, and how to prepare as best as possible – both physically and spiritually for what was about to hit this planet.
I told them of the Sabbath, His Holy Days, that Christmas was nothing but a pagan festival. People were very respectful of my beliefs, and had the attitude of ‘wait and see’ if you turned out to be true – by what you were saying coming to pass exactly as stated by you. They were not laughing at you – at least, not then.
When questioned, I always turned them to your books or to your sermons (or both) as you taught us.
Your prophesy of Tribulation Timeline Number One did not occur. Then you told us we should take a good hard long look at ourselves for being disappointed this destruction did not take place. (We weren’t disappointed about that Ron, we were beginning to be disappointed that perhaps we were following false prophet).
I waited until the specified 45-90 days for continuing destruction of the effects of the first trumpet blown, and ‘if by Pentecost’ 2008 these things did not come to pass, well, you would declare yourself a false prophet.
Up until this time, EVERY DAY I lived, I did not know what destructive event would take place – believing it was imminent. This creates a lot of internal stress. All the while, trying to grow in your knowledge of Godly behaviour, and desire to learn of His ways, so you can be obedient. Your very survival depending on it, but looking at yourself through a microscope hoping that was not your only reason for being obedient. Wanting with all your heart to be open to God, and allow Him to mold and fashion you (whilst watching TV with your heart pounding waiting for the Thunders to increase their destructive power, or nukes to be detonated in the USA). You told us it would be like the show ‘Jericho’ – and we wanted to prepare our minds for human suffering, burnt bodies and thinking of how to deal with our pets humanely when the time came. This is only natural, when believing the events you prophesied were going to come to pass.
This is how we lived each day – whilst still trying to function normally in society – work, eat, sleep and for me, trying to be a good wife to my unbelieving husband (who was also waiting and watching).
My friends and family by this time, were extremely concerned. You see Ron, they were watching and waiting too – the ‘worldly’ people were waiting to see if what you had said would come to pass. The thing is Ron, is that these people lumped EVERYTHING taught by you in the one box. The Sabbath and your failed prophecies – both FALSE. The Holy Days, and your failed prophecies – both FALSE. Christmas being pagan, and your failed prophecies – both FALSE. They asked if I was going to go to the Christmas parties now, and would I start to work on Saturdays. What I am saying, is that they believed EVERYTHING you said – was FALSE. Are you beginning to see the damage now Ron? I feel this was especially sad, as you had written the books for the WORLD – so they could see who God was working through. All they could see, was that He was not working through you.
Then however, the 50th truth was ‘revealed’ and I felt a lot better – thinking we had a little more time – my full belief in you, in your position and job was restored. I repented from my unbelief and bad attitude immediately.
December 2008 came and went however, with yet another uneventful blowing of the first trumpet – and now the second timeline did not include the 45-90 day window for the second trumpet.
My whole life revolved around you and your ministry for nearly 2 years. I lived every day with the ‘knowledge’ that was ‘given to me’ that indeed, the end time was here. I decided not to try for a child. I tithed up to 20% of my income, and gave offerings beyond my means to show my ‘Total Resolve’ whilst you were on a cruise (after all, the dollar would be worthless ‘not too far from now’). Meanwhile, Laura was on a shopping spree buying things on 3 years interest free no money down “You won’t have to pay it off after all – it’ll have all crashed by January (2009)”. (I guess Laura made a prophecy too – that also, failed – she said this to me personally during the feast of 2008).
I wanted to be obedient to God’s true end time witness, and I loved you and I loved Laura. I loved Wayne, Chris, Nathan and Sharna and the other members of our little group.
I emailed Wayne constantly, seeking help to overcome my wicked nature – wanting with all my heart to be right with God. I wanted to be the student you told us to be, eager for not only knowledge, but also understanding. I was told this was the way to save myself and all of my family (at least a chance) to surviving through the tribulation, and hopefully with God’s help, grace and guidance enter the millennial reign. I wanted to be the best I could be, so I could love God and show this by obeying Him – hungry for His truth – which I believed was coming from you.
I felt truly blessed that God had ‘called’ me to you and to your knowledge.
I still had the 3 months supply of food, water, warm clothing for the coming nuclear winter (which I purchased before timeline number one) – and I felt I was as prepared as I could be.
My world however, fell apart in late January 2009 when I finally admitted to myself that you were false – one of the most hard decisions of my life. Your book states many things that have not come to pass – not even close. (NB. The economic ‘thunder’ is probably the only thing you could claim – however, this was one of the main things that attracted me to you – I believed, and still do believe the financial crash is yet to happen – and so do MANY, MANY other people – so what makes you any different?) The Bible warns me about false prophets – the Bible tells us to test the prophets – by what they say/prophesy coming to pass EXACTLY as they have stated. If not, they are FALSE and we should NOT be afraid of them (or of their curses!). When we asked you and your ministry about this Scripture, we were told they ‘did not have the truth’ that ‘God was not giving it to them’.
Your own book Ron, says that the timing will be one of the things that validates you as His Witness – nothing of what you have prophesied had come to pass. You are false.
So yes, I have been miserable – my heart has been lost, my mind dismayed, and my bank account a lot smaller – because you have called yourself God’s Final Witness and Prophet for the end time – and I believed you.
I was crushed when it turned out you were false. I had believed God was leading me. I had believed God had led me to you. I believed you were God’s Final Witness, and I believed all your truths – but NOTHING you said would happen, happened. No lie is of the truth – therefore, the truth was not in you. What was I to do now?
7 months after leaving PKG – I am gradually putting my life back together – learning many things of myself, my own nature – and things I need to work towards.
I am turning this whol
e experience into a positive one – one that has resulted in greater depth of knowledge of myself, both good and bad. A greater empathy and love for my fellow mankind. Greater ability to enter into friendships and other relationships, and a greater desire to learn of God’s ways and be obedient to those ways. I also now have a great desire for a child, to which I hope will be granted. I am now beginning to be able to watch the news without my heart leaping into my mouth!I have a lot of learning to do – and I am now building my foundation properly, for the first time in my life.
I am preparing my heart, mind and spirit for such learning, and in time – yes, in time – I will learn to trust again.
This is what you call bitter.
This is what you call sick.
This is what you call turning away from God.
This is what you call turning away from the truth.I will let the readers decide.
Ron, sometimes when people mock you, it is out of hurt – as is the case with me. The course of events and my beliefs during the last 2 odd years of my life, have caused me great distress – and most of this was because I believed you, I believed your claims – I believed in your work. Turns out however, that I was wrong – and you are wrong.
I admitted my error, you will not.
Sometimes I do mock you Ron, because your claims now, after the passing of time – 2 failed timelines, numerous failed specified prophecies (no new US President will take office etc, etc, etc) are becoming laughable (but inside I am shocked and deeply saddened). I guess the reason I personally mock you from time to time is therapy – it helps me work through things in some ways.
You see, if someone hurts you, or more so, if your beliefs about someone hurt you – as my beliefs about you have hurt me – sometimes human nature lashes out. I have lashed out – and I think to a great degree, I have had the right to.
My journey continues, and so does yours.
In the end, I am sure I will have the bigger bowl of good fruit – and, in the end Ron, I will be happy to share my bowl with you.
…..
On another matter, PKG always taught us to be STUDENTS, and not TEACHERS (thereby placing yourself above God's ministry as Ptr775 is doing).
I was a sponge, and devoured everything Ron taught me.
I have rejected the messenger, as by Ron's own words – he is false.
He promised to quit by Pentecost 2008 if 'no evidence of clear destruction of 1/3 plant and animal life in USA and into Canda'. He broke his promise, but I kept following him.
(NB. There is an interesting compilation of Ron's contradictions on a site called 'Radio Free – PKG' – definately worth a look)
It is important to note that I was ignorant to Deut. in the Bible where it says how to test a prophet – by what they say coming to pass. I willfilling ignored this scripture for months – putting it out of my mind on purpose, as I WANTED to believe Ron SO BADLY. I WANTED to believe his message, and that Jesus would soon be returning. It was absolutely heartbreaking to finally admit he was false.
Ron prophesied in Gods name, and said it WAS from God, as I have shown. It did not come to pass. Again, by Ron's own standards, and the test that the Bible provides in Duet – he is a false prophet.
For those who ignore the EVIDENCE of his failures, well, I wonder if they will suffer the same curses as the actual false prophet?
I like to share my journey through all this, and be very open – as people can see and learn from my mistakes.
It is also vital to understand the absolute arrogance in the group.
We can see that Ptr775 (I still do not know who is he is) likes to feel he can TEACH (when Ron says not to).
You see, PKG teaches that ONLY GOD CAN MAKE SOMEONE SEE. But the arrogance in the group makes one want to try THEMSELVES to make someone see. Again, Pride – the very aspect PKG teaches against, is the one they themselves are held captive to.
I should know – I had the same attitude of Pride (but you do not recognise it until you leave).
I believe people like Ptr775 refuse to acknowledge the EVIDENCE that Ron is false, because:-
* Where would they go from there?
* It would mean God was never leading them anywhere (Ouch!!)
* They would be WRONG (when Pride MUST be RIGHT!!).I am sure that everyone here can see those characteristics playing out here.
To be brought to nought, as I have (ie. admitting I was WRONG to follow Ron, that God was never leading me, and having the courage to LEAVE even though I did not know what was next – and still don't!) – well, that suddenly brings TRUE humility.
Very important lessons here.
Thank you all for allowing me the opportunity to share my very longwinded story!!
Ptr775 – I did not continue reading your posts after you said I was AntiChrist – I have been hurt enough thankyou.
BTW – does Wayne know you are on this forum? You are not meant to be talking with me anyway, as I am an X Member. If Wayne found out, you would probably be disfellowshipped.
When CH was disfellowshipped from our group in QLD Australia, I have a copy of an email stating we were not to have ANY contact with him whatsoever, which is standard practice I believe in many COG's.
Ptr775, I have noticed you 'bag' people here for giving Ron any attention at all if they don't believe him – well I put to you, why do you give any of us 'blind AntiChrists' any attention? Or are you trying to prove something?
I understand, because over 7 months ago, I was the same.
Food for thought for all I am sure.
Take care all
Hi Kirrily
Quote (Kirrily @ Aug. 06 2009,00:25) Ptr775 – I did not continue reading your posts after you said I was AntiChrist – I have been hurt enough thankyou. BTW – does Wayne know you are on this forum? You are not meant to be talking with me anyway, as I am an X Member. If Wayne found out, you would probably be disfellowshipped.
When CH was disfellowshipped from our group in QLD Australia, I have a copy of an email stating we were not to have ANY contact with him whatsoever, which is standard practice I believe in many COG's.
Ptr775, I have noticed you 'bag' people here for giving Ron any attention at all if they don't believe him – well I put to you, why do you give any of us 'blind AntiChrists' any attention? Or are you trying to prove something?
Usually these kinds of practices are cultic in nature. The enemys tactic is to isolate believers from being able to recieve any outside teachings or eventually from having any friends.
What you have revealed here Kirrily is worse than I thought, and scary for those who are caught up in following this guy.
These are the same practices that Jim Jones and David Koresh were teaching their people. My prayer goes out to them that they will be free from this guy.
This is probably why Ptr will not show up here again until he to is free from them because of fear of disfellowship. Sad!
Thanks again for sharing, I see you as a true woman of God seeking the Truth, and may his Love and healing power continue to work in you and lead you and yours.
Blessings Keith
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