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Quote (t8 @ Aug. 02 2008,00:30) Quote (ptr775 @ July 31 2008,22:57) It is you who believes he is a false prophet, not me, I have no need to apologize. I am sharing what I believe to be correct, if that is a crime then everyone on this board is a criminal. The word prophet has more meaning than simply talking of the future, is also means a speaker. It may turn out that you yourself are a false prophet, since you also speak of what you believe, and since Irene agrees with you, she may be promoting a false prophet. I believe that you are both incorrect, can I please get an apology? If you do not wish to do that, then that is your choice.
If Ron turns out to be one of the last day prophets I will publicly apologize in this discussion to show up my error. If I make any such error then I think an apology is the right thing to do to make amends and set the record straight.Will you apologize if his prophecies do not come to pass? And when will you know that he is speaking falsely if his words do not come true. What is the deadline for you according to what Ron has said? 2009/1/1? Or what?
Greetings t8….RWs book 2008 Gods final witness fortels of catastophic events in the US….There are five months to go…The one prediction RW has made that has a chance of taking place is the failure of the american people to seat a president in 09….This could happen as a result of very close election resulting in a legal challenge in the supreme court over the constitutionality of the electoral college…..So in Jan 2009 we can say without a doubt that Ron was either right or wrong?
Also I remember having this conversation earlier in this discussion and I am sure that the date was way before then to proving his words.
I hope that the dates just don't get extended all the time.
Can we draw a line in the sand by taking one of Ron's predictions that is to happen before the others?
I mean if extensions are just going to be added then Ron may turn out to be right because it is just a matter of time before we see some nukes and the like. But it doesn't take a prophet to see that. Even many non-believers will tell you the same thing.
This is what Mr. Weinland said before.
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ptr775 Mr. Weinland prophesied that Nukes were going to go off starting in April, that did not happen. He says that He is one of the Witnesses and His Wife is the other. Neither one is dead are they? and lying in the street are they?
You and your friends came on here like gang busters and proclaimed Him to be one of the Witnesses. Not I, I do not need to apologize to no one. I did not say that He was one of the Witnesses. You did.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (t8 @ Aug. 02 2008,00:30) If Ron turns out to be one of the last day prophets I will publicly apologize in this discussion to show up my error. If I make any such error then I think an apology is the right thing to do to make amends and set the record straight. If Ron turns out to be right, the over 90% of the people on this forum are wrong, and by your logic, you should also be asking an apology of them for promoting lies.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 02 2008,00:30) Will you apologize if his prophecies do not come to pass? And when will you know that he is speaking falsely if his words do not come true. What is the deadline for you according to what Ron has said? 2009/1/1? Or what? Ron's book is 2008 – God's final witness. If it is clear to me that Ron is a fase prophet by then, I will apologise, but you have to understand, the understanding I have already gained from God through RW, proves to me already he is who is says he is. Do you know why the dates were changed, and why he gave the original dates in the first place (the dates were not in the book by the way)? That itself is quite amazing. The first dates were not given to him from God, he calculated them himself from the information he had from God at the time. More peices of that puzzel have now been given that make these new dates fit like a glove. What are the odds that the 1335 days of Daniel would fit perfectly between Trumpets and Pentecost, when it won't do it all for the next 100 years, nor 100 years in past? The thunders prophesied by Rw are coming to pass in greater number and intensity. Ron says in his book that the proof of him being a prophet is that things will come to pass exactly as is written in the book, because what was written was from God, and so far, nothing written in that book has been wrong.
You also have to remember, that even as the two witness are being killed in Jerusalem, the majority of people are still going to doubt they are who they say they are. Proof for some is not proof for others. So if you are waiting for absolute proof RW is who he says he is, you'll get that in a few years time as he rises from the dead in the streets of Jerusalem, if you're still alive to see it. I however already have my proof in my heart of hearts.
So, no, I seriously doubt you will get that apology. I'm not playing a wait and see game. I am already convinced. It is like asking me if I am going to apologise if I run naked through the centre of town next week, when I know for certain that is not going to happen.
Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,02:19) This is what Mr. Weinland said before. Group: Regular Members
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ptr775 Mr. Weinland prophesied that Nukes were going to go off starting in April, that did not happen. He says that He is one of the Witnesses and His Wife is the other. Neither one is dead are they? and lying in the street are they?
You and your friends came on here like gang busters and proclaimed Him to be one of the Witnesses. Not I, I do not need to apologize to no one. I did not say that He was one of the Witnesses. You did.
Peace and Love Irene
No, you probably heard someone else say that Ron said that nukes were going to go off in April. Ron himself never said that.As for asking if Ron was currently dead in the streets of Jerusalem, how can that be? That takes place at the end of the tribulation, something that Ron says hasn't even started yet.
Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10) Posted by Ronald Weinland
“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,000 years to this earth; the last one was our Messiah…if someone says something and it doesn’t come to pass, they’re false. That’s what is referred to as a false prophet.”
(Source: Radio interview KCOL 600, Loveland, Colorado, April 2, 2007)
This is quoted by David. I did not say so, but Mr. Weinland did according to David.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10) Posted by Ronald Weinland
“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,000 years to this earth; the last one was our Messiah…if someone says something and it doesn’t come to pass, they’re false. That’s what is referred to as a false prophet.”
(Source: Radio interview KCOL 600, Loveland, Colorado, April 2, 2007)
This is quoted by David. I did not say so, but Mr. Weinland did according to David.
Peace and Love Irene
Notice all the gaps (…..) in that quote?Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 02 2008,14:50) Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10) Posted by Ronald Weinland
“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,000 years to this earth; the last one was our Messiah…if someone says something and it doesn’t come to pass, they’re false. That’s what is referred to as a false prophet.”
(Source: Radio interview KCOL 600, Loveland, Colorado, April 2, 2007)
This is quoted by David. I did not say so, but Mr. Weinland did according to David.
Peace and Love Irene
Notice all the gaps (…..) in that quote?
Greetings ptr…..You bring up an interesting point with respect to the likelyhood of 1335 day period fitting between Trumpets and Pentecost…..I would think that if you consider the repeatative nature of the time cycle all you would have to do is reference the sacred calander and examine how many times this could have ocurred in perhaps 19 years…or even 2000 years…Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 03 2008,00:14) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 02 2008,14:50) Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10) Posted by Ronald Weinland
“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,000 years to this earth; the last one was our Messiah…if someone says something and it doesn’t come to pass, they’re false. That’s what is referred to as a false prophet.”
(Source: Radio interview KCOL 600, Loveland, Colorado, April 2, 2007)
This is quoted by David. I did not say so, but Mr. Weinland did according to David.
Peace and Love Irene
Notice all the gaps (…..) in that quote?
Greetings ptr…..You bring up an interesting point with respect to the likelyhood of 1335 day period fitting between Trumpets and Pentecost…..I would think that if you consider the repeatative nature of the time cycle all you would have to do is reference the sacred calander and examine how many times this could have ocurred in perhaps 19 years…or even 2000 years…
Hasn't happened in the last 100, nor will it happen during the next 100.Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 03 2008,00:21) Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 03 2008,00:14) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 02 2008,14:50) Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10) Posted by Ronald Weinland
“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,000 years to this earth; the last one was our Messiah…if someone says something and it doesn’t come to pass, they’re false. That’s what is referred to as a false prophet.”
(Source: Radio interview KCOL 600, Loveland, Colorado, April 2, 2007)
This is quoted by David. I did not say so, but Mr. Weinland did according to David.
Peace and Love Irene
Notice all the gaps (…..) in that quote?
Greetings ptr…..You bring up an interesting point with respect to the likelyhood of 1335 day period fitting between Trumpets and Pentecost…..I would think that if you consider the repeatative nature of the time cycle all you would have to do is reference the sacred calander and examine how many times this could have ocurred in perhaps 19 years…or even 2000 years…
Hasn't happened in the last 100, nor will it happen during the next 100.
ptr775….How do you know that,have you referenced the calander with respect to time cycles…(eg.how many times did the passover occur on a wednesday and so on…)Iam not questioning that the time frame fits, just whether it has taken place before…..perhaps 1335 years ago…curious??Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 03 2008,00:31)
There are websites you can use, can't find the one I used last time, but here are a couple of others…http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html
http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/Quote (t8 @ Aug. 02 2008,01:28) So in Jan 2009 we can say without a doubt that Ron was either right or wrong? Also I remember having this conversation earlier in this discussion and I am sure that the date was way before then to proving his words.
I hope that the dates just don't get extended all the time.
Can we draw a line in the sand by taking one of Ron's predictions that is to happen before the others?
I mean if extensions are just going to be added then Ron may turn out to be right because it is just a matter of time before we see some nukes and the like. But it doesn't take a prophet to see that. Even many non-believers will tell you the same thing.
Greetings t8….I agree …I think,by virtrue of the boldness of the title of his book….His predictions were to take place in 2008….He has already admitted his mistake in calculations,however his book is still for sale and his loyal followers are willing to concede he was mistaken and inturn have decided to give him another chance….He has stated that none of what he predicted is going to come to past in the here and now….instead,and I could be mistaken,the 31/2 year period is at hand….Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 04 2008,01:02) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 02 2008,01:28) So in Jan 2009 we can say without a doubt that Ron was either right or wrong? Also I remember having this conversation earlier in this discussion and I am sure that the date was way before then to proving his words.
I hope that the dates just don't get extended all the time.
Can we draw a line in the sand by taking one of Ron's predictions that is to happen before the others?
I mean if extensions are just going to be added then Ron may turn out to be right because it is just a matter of time before we see some nukes and the like. But it doesn't take a prophet to see that. Even many non-believers will tell you the same thing.
Greetings t8….I agree …I think,by virtrue of the boldness of the title of his book….His predictions were to take place in 2008….He has already admitted his mistake in calculations,however his book is still for sale and his loyal followers are willing to concede he was mistaken and inturn have decided to give him another chance….He has stated that none of what he predicted is going to come to past in the here and now….instead,and I could be mistaken,the 31/2 year period is at hand….
You know it really amazes me, how someone like Mr. Weinland can blind so many people. Just like Mr. Armstrong did.
All I can say to that is that it shows us, that God is doing the calling, not men. Those that follow that calling will come out of Her my people like it states in Revelation. The whole world has been deceived. We do live in the end time, all signs are present. And that is the only way we can say, that we are in the end time period. But as far as getting an apology?
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Peace and Love IreneSo there is an admission to date changing. The so-called last day prophet worked out the dates himself and got it wrong and then amended them to fit a prophecy in Daniel. At best all that proves is Daniel was a prophet and Ron uttered a false prophecy.
If a prophet gives a false prophecy, then what kind of prophet is he?
Matthew 24:11
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.Quote (ptr775 @ July 31 2008,18:13) Quote (Hanoch @ July 31 2008,16:09) Quote (discipleelohim @ Feb. 21 2008,02:41) Ronald Weinland Predicts Large Attack On US & Opening of the Seventh Seal of Revelation & Begining of World War III APRIL 2008 IS THE BEGINING OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION ACCORDING TOO RONALD WEINLAND
Has anybody heard of this guy? I stumbled accross him the other day at his websites:
http://www.the-end.com
http://www.ronaldweinland.comHe seems too be a reputable member of the Church Of God and claims he is one of the Last Two Witnesses of which is stated in the Book Of revelation of the Bible.
After listening too some of the interviews he has done in the interview section apperently by 2009 the US will not have a president?
and in APRIL 2008 sees the opening of the Seventh Seal of Revelation as stated in the Bible (The Great Tribulation) where it starts with a massive attack on the US and Other Countrys which will lead too WW3.
This then leads too the last three and half years of the great tribulation period and Christ return in fall 2011… KINDA WEIRD HOW IT ALL ENDS BY 2012? IN 2012 onward Gods Kingdom will supposbly Governing the Earth and will be Gods Time Too Rule.
I suggest peeps should go check his websites out and start listening too some of his interviews, the are very concerning.
EXTRACT FROM HIS WEBSITE BELOW
2008 – God’s Final WitnessFrom now until the latter part of 2008, many prophecies are going to begin to be fulfilled, especially the Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation, which the apostle John saw but was restricted from recording. Those thunders are revealed in this book, as well as detailed accounts of the final three and one-half years of man’s self-rule on earth, which are recorded in the account of the Seventh Seal of Revelation.
Some of these prophecies concern the demise of the United States over the next two years, which will be followed by man’s final world war. This last war will be the result of clashing religions and the governments they sway. Billions will die! This time will far exceed even the very worst times in all human history.
As these events unfold, the world will increasingly become aware of the authenticity of the words in this book and realize that Ronald Weinland has been sent by God as His end-time prophet.
This book is primarily directed to the people of the three major religions of the world (Islam, Judaism and Christianity), whose roots are in the God of Abraham. Ronald Weinland has been sent to all three.
Book WebsiteOriginally posted by: TruthSeekers (ats)
It is a false prophet. He doesn't understand that the two witnesses in the book of revelation is actually a symbol symbolizing the entire church. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
And how would that be? Why would there be two of them when there is only one church? Is the whole church going to move to Jerusalem and be killed after 1260 days? The whole church would have to die, yet other prophecies talk of some being still alive and changed to spirit at the return of Christ.
Read the fine print: it also says that “all who are not written in the book of life” will worship the beast – and that all who worship the beast will have torment (spiritually — basically, they are judged). So, this means that ALL people are going to be wiped out when Jesus returns, except Christians? Daniel 7:11, 12 clears this up for us, showing us that there will be some who are left alive on the earth. It also speaks about how the son of perdition/little horn will have many enemies (meaning, they do not follow the beast).Scripture must be understood in the light of Scripture.
The fact that the church is symbolized by the two prophets and that they die, doesn't mean necessarily that ALL will die — though MANY will.
The two prophets are Moses and Elijah, symbolizing the law and the prophets.
Zech 4; Mark 9:4 (Mt. of Transfiguration) and these are the two witnesses to the “love” commandment:“On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
We wrote about this in another place…. maybe Nick or t8 can guide you as to where precisely?
I read part of the book, and in it, he says,
“…it is with great clarity…” that he puts forth these ideas of his.
Anytime a man has to say that “it is with great clarity” it means that he has had a time of NO clarity, and he THINKS he is experiencing a time when he has some sort of clarity, no?
The book is utterly untrustworthy.
Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 03 2008,00:21) Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 03 2008,00:14) Quote (ptr775 @ Aug. 02 2008,14:50) Quote (Irene @ Aug. 02 2008,11:59) Quote (david @ Feb. 21 2008,19:10) Posted by Ronald Weinland
“2008…beginning in the spring time, things are going to begin happening here in the United States, and there’ll be about at six-month period of time that brings us to our demise…with nuclear weapons…I am a prophet…God has not sent a prophet for nearly 2,000 years to this earth; the last one was our Messiah…if someone says something and it doesn’t come to pass, they’re false. That’s what is referred to as a false prophet.”
(Source: Radio interview KCOL 600, Loveland, Colorado, April 2, 2007)
This is quoted by David. I did not say so, but Mr. Weinland did according to David.
Peace and Love Irene
Notice all the gaps (…..) in that quote?
Greetings ptr…..You bring up an interesting point with respect to the likelyhood of 1335 day period fitting between Trumpets and Pentecost…..I would think that if you consider the repeatative nature of the time cycle all you would have to do is reference the sacred calander and examine how many times this could have ocurred in perhaps 19 years…or even 2000 years…
Hasn't happened in the last 100, nor will it happen during the next 100.
RW is completely deceived. Was it not written that prophets were given to the body of Christ for administration?“He gave some apostles, some prophets …for the building up of the body…”
and one such case is found in Agabus, who prophesied in Acts that there would be a great earthquake?? Jesus was NOT the last prophet – and there have been MANY prophets since.
“The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.”
He needs to get a spiritual covering and renounce to the spirits of vainglory and pride.
Quote (t8 @ Aug. 04 2008,14:11) So there is an admission to date changing. The so-called last day prophet worked out the dates himself and got it wrong and then amended them to fit a prophecy in Daniel.
No, that is not what happened.Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 04 2008,01:02) Greetings t8….I agree …I think,by virtrue of the boldness of the title of his book….His predictions were to take place in 2008….He has already admitted his mistake in calculations,however his book is still for sale and his loyal followers are willing to concede he was mistaken and inturn have decided to give him another chance….He has stated that none of what he predicted is going to come to past in the here and now….instead,and I could be mistaken,the 31/2 year period is at hand….
Thanks for that.Just as we thought.
I wrote earlier on in this discussion about what excuses he would come up with and why some would still follow him even after the mistakes. The JWs were given as an example. They prophesied the coming of Christ and when it didn't happen, it was said that he returned invisibly, even though scripture says that “every eye shall see him”. The JWs are still going to this day and still hold to the false prophecy. So I would say that even if Ron is wrong again, some maybe out of pride will still hold onto him as being the last day prophet and he may have a following even till the end of this age.
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