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Quote (theodorej @ June 24 2008,07:33) Quote (Irene @ June 24 2008,05:21) Quote (stosh64 @ June 24 2008,05:00) Have you been to RW`s site? http://www.ronaldweinland.com/ His latest entry appears to backing down from previous “predictions”. He appears to be a little confused and has said maybe things wont happen now till Nov. or Dec. lol. All we can do is pray for the man.
Quote Although there is a marked increase in the thunders, there is still no physical evidence in the trumpets. And even though I have stated July 16 as a kind of deadline for the Second Trumpet, I am now deeply convinced that nothing concerning the trumpets will have occurred by that time. This is not pleasant to have to address, as all of us have planned our lives on such timing. If the second trumpet sounds, with nuclear explosions in port cities, then everything will indeed be fully in line with what I’ve stated in the last interviews and in some sermons. But I do want to state again, I no longer believe that to be the case.
The bottom line is, I must follow what I believe God is showing me. If I have jumped the gun in a couple of interviews and interjected my own understanding into the timing of events, and have thereby been presumptuous, then I will repent and move forward.
Seems a little “foggy” in his thinking for one of the 2 witnesses.Praying we all find the Truth,
God Bless,
Stosh
I am really concerned for all those that fell for Him and have payed dearly for it. They don't even come here any more. Do you or see them?
We should all pray especially for Mr. Weinland, He has certainly gone over the edge. Prophesying falsely is not a good thing. May God have mercy on Him, I pray.
Peace and Love Irene
Greetings Irene….RW will fade into obscurity,unless for some reason God sees fit to raise him up by bringing to fruition his prophecies….My feeling is he remains convinced that his task will be to witness until the end….His book is 2008 Gods final witness….As I see it,by virtrue of the title of his book he has 6 months at best…All those who are still following him should put their tithes in escrow until January 2009….Brethren God will provide for RW until then….
Hello! That is a good Idea to put their money into escrow. But how can you contact them? And will they listen to you?
I hope they will.
In Christian Love IreneI would wait before you pass judgment. It may well be that Ron was given the correct pattern of counting by God, but because of a certain long held church belief, he began counting on/from the wrong day, but it may be that this new truth corrects that. Trust me, wait and see
Hey I wonder if Ron got some inspiration from Nostradamus?
http://www.nostradamusonline.com/sample_chapter.php
I am not encouraging anyone to buy this book, but that Ron's prophecies look similar.
Quote (ptr775 @ June 24 2008,22:08) but because of a certain long held church belief, he began counting on/from the wrong day
I said earlier on in this discussion that excuses will start to appear. Of course once a false prophecy is given, one can cover their tracks by blaming the faulty time system, but then again if a man trusted in that to begin with, then that doesn't sound like a man hearing from God. Anyway, there are plenty of excuses that can be used. The JWs did it too. 1914 was their year that the Messiah was to return. When he didn't show up, it was taught that he came invisibly. Of course this contradicts scripture which says that every eye shall see him.Anyway, has anything Ron said suppose have come to pass yet?
Quote (ptr775 @ June 24 2008,22:08) I would wait before you pass judgment. It may well be that Ron was given the correct pattern of counting by God, but because of a certain long held church belief, he began counting on/from the wrong day, but it may be that this new truth corrects that. Trust me, wait and see
Greetings 775…..I eagerly await new truths and at the same time we are obliged to prove all things….Iam not passing judgement on RW,but please allow me to make my position crystal clear…Iam not here to prove RW wrong Iam here to say that to date nothing he has prophesised has come to past,and I do realize that it is Gods perogative to tary if he sees fit and I thank him for that ( GOD )..Having said that,God has promised to forwarn sinfull man through his prophets and Iam forever in search of his true prophets,somehow,RW does not meet the criterior….The closest likeness to RW would be that of a watchman(Ezekiel)whose reponsibility is to warn the sinfull world of impending danger or be responsible for their demise if he does not…The weighty title of End Time Witness is a task that God will bestow on two individuals,of which the entire world will not have a problem hearing from them and witnessing their supernatural power…Somehow I feel RW has not met the requisites to qualify as one of these witnesses and I can't comment on the second witness because we have not heard any thing from her…To all! If you ask any Christian today “are we in the end times?” I have always gotten a ” Yes ” answer. I truly believe that it is common knowledge that Christ will return in this Generation. He has said that after the Jewish people returned to Israel and became a Nation again, that that Generation would not pass away. That happened in 1948. Since a Generation is 70 years, that would bring us to 2018. I believe that Birth pains have started. I believe that we are in that period right before Christ returns.
In Christian Love IreneT8, you're thinking along the wrong lines, it doesn't have to do with a certain calendar, but a certain day, and I get the feeling this will be more than simply an excuse, but will make more sense than ever, and the “coincidental” timing of it and other aspects are, frankly, to much to be a coincidence.
Quote (ptr775 @ June 24 2008,22:08) I would wait before you pass judgment. It may well be that Ron was given the correct pattern of counting by God, but because of a certain long held church belief, he began counting on/from the wrong day, but it may be that this new truth corrects that. Trust me, wait and see
ptr 775Trust you? We dont trust the self proclaimed Prophet. Why should we trust you?
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct thy paths. Prov 3
Well I really do not care who you trust, it has nothing to do with me, that is between you and God. It was simply a figure of speech.
ptr775
If Ron's prophecies are false, could you please make an apology on this website (in this discussion) to anyone you might have help lead astray?
Also, when will we know that he is speaking falsely? What month/year according to you will Ron's words be tested to the point that if they do not come to pass, then his words can only be false?
t8 As I recall Mr. Weinland stated that between starting on April 17 we would have Nuke's going off. We'll that did not happen. Can we trust in someone that changes His mind all the time. Giving the excuse that He did not count right, is no excuse.
In Christian Love IreneQuote (t8 @ June 25 2008,21:16) ptr775 If Ron's prophecies are false, could you please make an apology on this website (in this discussion) to anyone you might have help lead astray?
Also, when will we know that he is speaking falsely? What month/year according to you will Ron's words be tested to the point that if they do not come to pass, then his words can only be false?
Exactly who have I lead astray, and how?Quote (ptr775 @ June 26 2008,07:50) Quote (t8 @ June 25 2008,21:16) ptr775 If Ron's prophecies are false, could you please make an apology on this website (in this discussion) to anyone you might have help lead astray?
Also, when will we know that he is speaking falsely? What month/year according to you will Ron's words be tested to the point that if they do not come to pass, then his words can only be false?
Exactly who have I lead astray, and how?
ptr775Everyone else that you have encouraged to trust this guy!
Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe
Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around
Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,01:08) Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around
Greetings ptr775…..No apologies needed here….Take all the time it takes to prove all things and in the process go before God and ask him to make you wise…He gives wisdom freely along with mercy and love…To date RW has not been able to act in the capacity he assumed was appointed to him by God….And this is for a good reason….Perhaps he is not Gods final witness but merely a watchman….I have heard alot of freightening predictions from RW with scenerios that have to make you stop and think….And I must say that Iam sure someday they very well could become reality….Stay alert that no one may deceive you….There are many prophets out there the wisdom God will give you will allow you to descern…Quote (theodorej @ June 27 2008,03:02) Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,01:08) Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around
Greetings ptr775…..No apologies needed here….Take all the time it takes to prove all things and in the process go before God and ask him to make you wise…He gives wisdom freely along with mercy and love…To date RW has not been able to act in the capacity he assumed was appointed to him by God….And this is for a good reason….Perhaps he is not Gods final witness but merely a watchman….I have heard alot of freightening predictions from RW with scenerios that have to make you stop and think….And I must say that Iam sure someday they very well could become reality….Stay alert that no one may deceive you….There are many prophets out there the wisdom God will give you will allow you to descern…
I did ask God for wisdom and truth, and I believe he answered that prayer, since he revealed to me what I believe will be addressed by RW this coming Sabbath. There is a little matter with timing, that I believe cannot be a coincidence, and will make things make more sense than ever. It answered every question I had concerning what RW had said, and why certain things had/hadn't taken place, and I couldn't get the grin off my face for hoursGod bless.
Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,01:08) Yeah, like anyone listened to what I believe Does this mean that everyone here who disagrees and says what they believe contrary to anyone else, has to apologise to them for “leading them astray”? If so, then I expect to see a lot of apologies get handed around
ptr775There are quite a few people who read here that you never hear about. A public apology would be useful to anyone who reads here now and in the future.
A public apology in this public discussion will suffice and I think it would be the right thing to do and serve as a lesson for others who may trust in self-proclaimed prophets.
So will you make an apology if Ron's words do not come to pass?
I think it would be the right thing to do in that case. What do you think?
In the case of Ron's prophecies coming to pass in the time he has said, then I think people should apologise if they said his prophecies were wrong. However I think that most can agree that there will be nuclear accidents/war and there will be many of the terrible things that he said come to pass, because most Christians already expect to see that the Tribulation will be a time like no other. But believing and preaching such doesn't make one a prophet. But Ron is saying that he is not just a prophet, but one of the 2 witnesses. In that case apologies from me and I hope anyone else who doesn't believe him in this, if indeed he turns out to be that guy.
So I am willing to apologize, are you?
Quote (ptr775 @ June 27 2008,07:44) I did ask God for wisdom and truth, and I believe he answered that prayer, since he revealed to me what I believe will be addressed by RW this coming Sabbath. There is a little matter with timing, that I believe cannot be a coincidence, and will make things make more sense than ever. It answered every question I had concerning what RW had said, and why certain things had/hadn't taken place, and I couldn't get the grin off my face for hours
Please explain.Quote (Irene @ June 26 2008,06:32) t8 As I recall Mr. Weinland stated that between starting on April 17 we would have Nuke's going off. We'll that did not happen. Can we trust in someone that changes His mind all the time. Giving the excuse that He did not count right, is no excuse.
In Christian Love Irene
OK, so in April, nukes didn't go off. That would make his words false. But what does the small print say?Did he say that this would be the start of the period but not necessarily the day. Or why hasn't he been condemned as a false prophet. He must be being protected by the small print so to speak.
What is the small print?
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