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Greetings Gene……I see no arrogants in your post,what Iam able to gleen from your post is….I would think that some physical proof would be before us had the sixth seal truly been opened…..As for the financial strength of this economy I would think it is tenuous at best….What makes a colapse iminent is our conspicous consumption using credit….And you do not have to be a financial wizard to see that…The cosequences of a colapse will most definately thunder around the world….The timing of this event given the general state of our economy this could be any time…food riots….marshall law….sounds scary…Given the division in this country,it is possible to have our impending election tied up in litigation (eg.2000 ) that could cause a vacancy in the white house ,which would leave the speaker of the house at the helm…
Greetings Broncs453…..Gathered sensitive security information….Passing it on to the Euro Military….Blueprints for WT…..Security Breach ??…..Sounds to me that, all the Pope had to do to effect such an elaborate spy mission…would be to go on the INTERNET…
Quote (theodorej @ May 05 2008,02:38) Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,21:59) Quote (theodorej @ May 04 2008,00:57) Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,00:27) April 17 is gone and the 7th seal is opened? If not, then is Ron a false prophet?
Or does he still have some days left before he is found to be false?
In New Zealand it is the 4th of May from the date of this post.
Nothing happened in April and the 5th of May starts tomorrow in NZ.
I wonder when 2009 come round if the explanation will be similar to the JWs explanation by saying it happened invisibly and the visible happens in the future. Either that or they could just admit they were wrong/false/duped
Greetings t8….RW feels that things are going to happen on gradual basis within 45 to 90 days something of a noticable nature will take place perhaps catastrophic….Which will bring us up to some time in July….Hang in there !!
What happens when July comes and goes without such a catastrophe?Will it be extended for a few months?
Have a look at the JWs history. History is a teacher too.
Greetings t8…..I cannot see to many more extensions after all the title of the book is 2008 Gods Final Witness…And there are no extensions into 09….One of RWs base prophecies that has no wiggle room is that although the US election might take place,there will be no ocupant in the white house….in 09
thanks for the infoOK, so there will hopefully be apologies from some in 2009 at the latest.
Feel free to apologise earlier (2008). This is directed at any person who has promoted this false prophet.
And finally remember the JWs. One of their prophets said that Christ would return in 1914. When he didn't show up, they said that he came invisibly. The problem was that Christ said that every eye would see him when he came. That wasn't much comfort to the JWs who gave their houses and possessions away.
So the way out of a false prophecy is to spirtualise it. This is what will most likely happen in this case. If this man (Ron) has any morals, he should just simply apologise and teach others where he went wrong. But most just cover up their false prophecies with more lies. It will at least be interesting to see what he does.
Will he apologise or carry on telling lies?
We await the verdict.
Quote (t8 @ May 12 2008,22:00) Quote (theodorej @ May 05 2008,02:38) Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,21:59) Quote (theodorej @ May 04 2008,00:57) Quote (t8 @ May 04 2008,00:27) April 17 is gone and the 7th seal is opened? If not, then is Ron a false prophet?
Or does he still have some days left before he is found to be false?
In New Zealand it is the 4th of May from the date of this post.
Nothing happened in April and the 5th of May starts tomorrow in NZ.
I wonder when 2009 come round if the explanation will be similar to the JWs explanation by saying it happened invisibly and the visible happens in the future. Either that or they could just admit they were wrong/false/duped
Greetings t8….RW feels that things are going to happen on gradual basis within 45 to 90 days something of a noticable nature will take place perhaps catastrophic….Which will bring us up to some time in July….Hang in there !!
What happens when July comes and goes without such a catastrophe?Will it be extended for a few months?
Have a look at the JWs history. History is a teacher too.
Greetings t8…..I cannot see to many more extensions after all the title of the book is 2008 Gods Final Witness…And there are no extensions into 09….One of RWs base prophecies that has no wiggle room is that although the US election might take place,there will be no ocupant in the white house….in 09
thanks for the infoOK, so there will hopefully be apologies from some in 2009 at the latest.
Feel free to apologise earlier (2008). This is directed at any person who has promoted this false prophet.
And finally remember the JWs. One of their prophets said that Christ would return in 1914. When he didn't show up, they said that he came invisibly. The problem was that Christ said that every eye would see him when he came. That wasn't much comfort to the JWs who gave their houses and possessions away.
So the way out of a false prophecy is to spirtualise it. This is what will most likely happen in this case. If this man (Ron) has any morals, he should just simply apologise and teach others where he went wrong. But most just cover up their false prophecies with more lies. It will at least be interesting to see what he does.
Will he apologise or carry on telling lies?
We await the verdict.
You're kidding, right? Do you pay any attention to the news? Let's see…cyclone in Myanmar killing at least 100,000 people, multiple tornados in 3 states killing at least 22 people, 7.9 earthquake in China killing at least 8,600 people, multiple fires now burning in central Florida, ALL WITHIN THE LAST WEEK.Wake up. The tribulation has already begun. It will continue to get much worse over the summer. By the fall, no apology will be necessary. I think you'll be convinced by then.
Peace,
Hi Broncs,
You might have more credibility if you got at least close on your facts.
The earthquake in CHina has killed somewhere between 107 and 150 peop;e.
this was not even a bad one compared to some that China has had.The last serious earthquake in China was in 2003, when a 6.8-magnitude quake killed 268 people in Bachu county in the west of Xinjiang.
China's deadliest earthquake in modern history struck the northeastern city of Tangshan on July 28, 1976, killing 240,000 people.
Tim
Quote (TimothyVI @ May 13 2008,11:05) Hi Broncs,
You might have more credibility if you got at least close on your facts.
The earthquake in CHina has killed somewhere between 107 and 150 peop;e.
this was not even a bad one compared to some that China has had.The last serious earthquake in China was in 2003, when a 6.8-magnitude quake killed 268 people in Bachu county in the west of Xinjiang.
China's deadliest earthquake in modern history struck the northeastern city of Tangshan on July 28, 1976, killing 240,000 people.
Tim
Tim,Unfortunately it is you that is wrong my friend. I just saw the death total from the China quake on tonight's news, verified by more than one source. It was at least 8,600 KNOWN deaths, not including the 900 children trapped in a collapsed school. Where you get 107 to 150 people I have no idea – from what news source?
If you are going to post suggesting I don't have the facts, please post a link to your source(s).
Peace,
Quote (TimothyVI @ May 13 2008,11:05) Hi Broncs,
You might have more credibility if you got at least close on your facts.
The earthquake in CHina has killed somewhere between 107 and 150 peop;e.
this was not even a bad one compared to some that China has had.The last serious earthquake in China was in 2003, when a 6.8-magnitude quake killed 268 people in Bachu county in the west of Xinjiang.
China's deadliest earthquake in modern history struck the northeastern city of Tangshan on July 28, 1976, killing 240,000 people.
Tim
PROOF RIGHT HERE FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS. ARE THEY LYING???China quake death toll rises to nearly 10,000
May 12, 8:01 PM (ET)
By WILLIAM FOREMAN
(AP) In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, a wounded resident, center, lies on a bed..
CHENGDU, China (AP) – The death toll from a powerful earthquake that toppled buildings, schools and chemical plants climbed to nearly 10,000 in the worst-hit province Tuesday, while untold numbers remain trapped after the worst quake in three decades.
The 7.9-magnitude quake Monday devastated a region of small cities and towns set amid steep hills north of Sichuan's provincial capital of Chengdu. Striking in mid-afternoon, it emptied office buildings across the country in Beijing, could be felt as far away as Vietnam and in Chengdu crashed telephone networks and hours later left parts of the city of 10 million in darkness.
The official Xinhua News Agency reported nearly 10,000 people died in central China's Sichuan province alone and 216 others in three other provinces and the mega-city of Chongqing.
Worst affected were four counties including the quake's epicenter in Wenchuan, 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Chengdu. Landslides blocked the roads early Tuesday, causing the government to order soldiers into the area on foot, state television said, while heavy rains prevented four military helicopters from landing.
Quote (Broncs453 @ May 13 2008,12:27) Quote (TimothyVI @ May 13 2008,11:05) Hi Broncs,
You might have more credibility if you got at least close on your facts.
The earthquake in CHina has killed somewhere between 107 and 150 peop;e.
this was not even a bad one compared to some that China has had.The last serious earthquake in China was in 2003, when a 6.8-magnitude quake killed 268 people in Bachu county in the west of Xinjiang.
China's deadliest earthquake in modern history struck the northeastern city of Tangshan on July 28, 1976, killing 240,000 people.
Tim
PROOF RIGHT HERE FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS. ARE THEY LYING???China quake death toll rises to nearly 10,000
May 12, 8:01 PM (ET)
By WILLIAM FOREMAN
(AP) In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, a wounded resident, center, lies on a bed..
CHENGDU, China (AP) – The death toll from a powerful earthquake that toppled buildings, schools and chemical plants climbed to nearly 10,000 in the worst-hit province Tuesday, while untold numbers remain trapped after the worst quake in three decades.
The 7.9-magnitude quake Monday devastated a region of small cities and towns set amid steep hills north of Sichuan's provincial capital of Chengdu. Striking in mid-afternoon, it emptied office buildings across the country in Beijing, could be felt as far away as Vietnam and in Chengdu crashed telephone networks and hours later left parts of the city of 10 million in darkness.
The official Xinhua News Agency reported nearly 10,000 people died in central China's Sichuan province alone and 216 others in three other provinces and the mega-city of Chongqing.
Worst affected were four counties including the quake's epicenter in Wenchuan, 60 miles (100 kilometers) northwest of Chengdu. Landslides blocked the roads early Tuesday, causing the government to order soldiers into the area on foot, state television said, while heavy rains prevented four military helicopters from landing.
My appologies broncs,
It appears that I read a really bad news report on the China quake. My heart goes out to the survivors of all of those lost in the quake.Thanks for bringing me up to date on the news.
Tim
Broncs,
With all due respect, at any given time you may pull major news stories to support your belief that the trib has started. At any given time there are major events happening throughout the world – planes fall from the sky – and all sorts of bad news can be clustered on any given day/week. There have been earthquakes from the beginning…….. I'm not so easily convinced.
Take care,
MandyBroncs……There will be wars and rumors of wars as well as earthquakes,famines in diverse places…These Will be the BEGINNING of sorrows…..As I see it …we are definetaly in the End times…whether or not the tribulation period has started is a big question mark to me….simply because there has not been any announcements on a global scale from either of the witnesses….there has been alot of projections for the coming months but nothing of substance….
Greetings Tim/TJ/Mandy,
Thanks for your responses. Most will not be convinced, and I am not surprised. The Bible states that many will deny until the very end. If most believed that “the end is near”, I would think that it wasn’t. I expect to be in the vast minority.
Maybe it would help if you knew what I do for a living. I trade the Tbond and Russell 2000 stock index futures. In order to have any long-term success, you must be willing to sell when others are buying and buy when others are selling. It’s the masses who always lose in the stock market, because they follow the crowd that is led to slaughter by the professionals. For example, if you get a hot stock tip from your barber or anybody else like that, you can be sure it’s time to sell.
So perhaps you can see why I expect most to be unconvinced of what is happening. If they were, I would not be.
While true there have always been natural disasters, they have not been of quite the magnitude and frequency we have been seeing lately. They are just increasing, that’s all. And yes tj, this is just the beginning. Don’t expect any “announcements on a global scale” as I don’t believe there will ever be any. You’ll hear from many who will wonder what in the heck is going on, but it will be a small minority that will know and understand. Like a frog in water slowly being brought to a boil – by the time he finally realizes he’s cooked it’s too late.
China death toll now over 12,000 and counting. Heard on the news there were over 900 tornadoes in the first three months of this year. Find me a historical time frame where that has ever happened before.
Peace,
Greetings Bronc…..The essense of trading is simply this Iam selling because my feeling is a stock is going down….your buying because you think it is going up….Iam in the business of liquidating technology….And I must say Iam having a field day on wall street….The securities industry is replete with folks who are ethically challenged (present company not included)and for that reason our foreign investors eg.Treasury Bond buyers et al.are nervous…..Junk Bonds ,Dirivitives,ETFs and hedge funds will be our undoing…..Oh lets not forget the lack of liquidity… (Tsunami 290,000…4 mil.displaced) Lets talk about China…
Quote (theodorej @ May 14 2008,04:00) Greetings Bronc…..The essense of trading is simply this Iam selling because my feeling is a stock is going down….your buying because you think it is going up….Iam in the business of liquidating technology….And I must say Iam having a field day on wall street….The securities industry is replete with folks who are ethically challenged (present company not included)and for that reason our foreign investors eg.Treasury Bond buyers et al.are nervous…..Junk Bonds ,Dirivitives,ETFs and hedge funds will be our undoing…..Oh lets not forget the lack of liquidity… (Tsunami 290,000…4 mil.displaced) Lets talk about China…
Theo,It sounds like you are speaking in tounges!
All this lingo for buying and selling…..Bronc,
I understand your wanting to believe the end is near because you are convinced by this Weinland fellow. However the bible itself tells us that even Jesus doesn't know when the end will come! How do you pretend to predict it?
Bronc…..The last time I bought a hot stock on a tip, it was because some slick was talking it up so he could get out….Where do you think that kind of business tactic eminates from….The spirit of integrity that was once Wall Street is long gone….There are some firms that are making Herculean efforts to overcome that image….However they are outnumbered by the preditory nature of those whose greed will be the demise of a system that made this country great….
Quote (Not3in1 @ May 14 2008,04:13) Quote (theodorej @ May 14 2008,04:00) Greetings Bronc…..The essense of trading is simply this Iam selling because my feeling is a stock is going down….your buying because you think it is going up….Iam in the business of liquidating technology….And I must say Iam having a field day on wall street….The securities industry is replete with folks who are ethically challenged (present company not included)and for that reason our foreign investors eg.Treasury Bond buyers et al.are nervous…..Junk Bonds ,Dirivitives,ETFs and hedge funds will be our undoing…..Oh lets not forget the lack of liquidity… (Tsunami 290,000…4 mil.displaced) Lets talk about China…
Theo,It sounds like you are speaking in tounges!
All this lingo for buying and selling…..Bronc,
I understand your wanting to believe the end is near because you are convinced by this Weinland fellow. However the bible itself tells us that even Jesus doesn't know when the end will come! How do you pretend to predict it?
Mandy….It is always a pleasure,speaking in tongues,I don't think so,Iam making an effort to relate to bronc with respect to his chosen profession….Since he went through the trouble to relate to us why he is better informed as result of his profession and how it relates to RW…I simply related to him what will cause the end on Wall street….And RW has nothing to do with that….Hi TJ! Broncs!
It's been awhile and I haven't felt the need to post, but for some reason I am compelled just to say hello!
Mandy, we've been over that a million times. Christ has to know the timing because he is the one who opens the seals. Not to mention Amos 3:7 reminds us that God will warn us before He does anything.
Things never change with people! They will be the ones that will go thru the hardest and still not repent. I pray for all those who don't want to listen to God and His word as that is where all the answers are found!
Oh well, I repeated myself again
SO, how are you guys doing? It's been awhile, how are you 2 doing?
Mandy….A exercise in simple logic…..seven seals….who is worthy to open them….(THIS is not a trick question) I feel it is safe to assume it is Jesus who will open the seven seals…..Here is the question….IF Jesus is the one to open the first seal,would it be presumtuous to think he would know when the seventh seal would be opened and his subsequent return….
Quote (Anticipation of Peace @ May 14 2008,04:30) Hi TJ! Broncs! It's been awhile and I haven't felt the need to post, but for some reason I am compelled just to say hello!
Mandy, we've been over that a million times. Christ has to know the timing because he is the one who opens the seals. Not to mention Amos 3:7 reminds us that God will warn us before He does anything.
Things never change with people! They will be the ones that will go thru the hardest and still not repent. I pray for all those who don't want to listen to God and His word as that is where all the answers are found!
Oh well, I repeated myself again
SO, how are you guys doing? It's been awhile, how are you 2 doing?
Greetings Angie…..It has been awhile….Hope all is well….Of course Jesus may open them, I don't deny that. However, according to scripture he doesn't know WHEN he will get that opportunity.
I image that at the moment he needs to know, he will know it and not a second before.
Anticipation – I'm glad that you have the truth for you and that you believe it fully. For the sake of your children I hope something does come of this or I fear they will need therapy!
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