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Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2010,10:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,10:11) Hi T,
So you say.
But does scripture?
nickwhat you think does scriptures support what i quote or i invented
Hi T,
No.
You must be born again of water and the Spirit and become a true worshiper.
Then you can worship God with the help of His Spirit in your bodily templeNick……….You saying FEAR is not TERROR, is a false statement, Even Terrorist Know that causing FEAR produces terror and panic and and all kinds of Phobias.
Nick, i wish people would Just say respect and reverence for our Heavenly FATHER and grow in LOVE for HIM and Jesus our Lord. Why should we portray our Heavenly Father as the CARNAL Portray HIM. A God who loved us so much that He gave His uniquely Begotten Son for Us , is not a GOD of FEAR but of LOVE. Now if we were still carnal minded then we had better fear HIM and Tremble, that is until
they have worked out their salvation . I once feared and trembled like that, but i have come to see His Loving Kindness on me in my life. The Joy of His closeness to me, He has never denied me access to him even though i have sinned at times I still go back and ask for forgiveness and Help in my times of need. I don't know maybe it just a different mindset.peace and love to you and yours…………………….gene
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,10:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2010,10:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,10:11) Hi T,
So you say.
But does scripture?
nickwhat you think does scriptures support what i quote or i invented
Hi T,
No.
You must be born again of water and the Spirit and become a true worshiper.
Then you can worship God with the help of His Spirit in your bodily temple
nickso this is not scriptural;;if you respect the word of God ,you are giving him glory,you also honor him,and if you recognize him as your creator and master this is worshiping him,this is all what he ever ask all of us to do
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts,Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evilJn 7:18 He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
Jn 7:38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him.”
Jn 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.Hi T,
To accept that God's Spirit wrote the scriptures through men has nothing to do with relationship.
It is a simple fact upon which you need to actQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,13:00) Hi T,
To accept that God's Spirit wrote the scriptures through men has nothing to do with relationship.
It is a simple fact upon which you need to act
nickyou running in circles in your meaning.
Hi T,
If you read Rom 1 you will see that observing that there is a God does not save you but simply removes your excuses for not obeying HimGeorge wrote:
Quote We can never be righteous by our self; when we except Jesus as our Lord and savior, his blood will cleanse us from all “unrighteousness”, …
To this point I agree with you.
George wrote:
Quote … and the white rope he will clothe us in is “HIS” righteousness.
This is not what scripture states. Perhaps you accidently miswrote what you intended. Jesus does not clothe us with his righteousness but rather he clothes us with his spirit as we are still called to be righteous as God is righteous. We do that by walking according to the ways of the spirit and that is accomplished through faith.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,14:39) Hi T,
If you read Rom 1 you will see that observing that there is a God does not save you but simply removes your excuses for not obeying Him
nickstill can not see it Roman 1 talk about many thing and don't know which you want me to understand so go strait to the verse
Hi T,
Rom 1 shows God reveals Himself through His creation.
We need to respond to that discovery.
Repentance and birthQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,17:16) Hi T,
Rom 1 shows God reveals Himself through His creation.
We need to respond to that discovery.
Repentance and birth
nicknow you skating on ice,
were en wen did i not recognize God and do you know if i have repent or not ? remember the widow gived more than all
even only 2 pennysbirth???
Gene Balthrop,
I am not sure your listening to what I am writing.
First is that I agree that in fear of damnation does not fear God. If they feared God then they would change their ways so they would have no reason to fear damnation.
To demonstrate this type of fear I used a demon as one who fears damnation since scriptures declare that demons know God and yet tremble.
Second is that I state that the fear to sin is the same of fear of God since you know God's commands are loving and just. This type of fear causes you to resist temptation when you cannot avoid it and avoid it when you can.
From what I have read you seem unwilling or unable to conceive that these two types of fear are different. Until you are able and willing to admit that we are at a dead end.
If my perception is mistaken then please let me know. Thank you!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,18:00) Hi T,
The message to all is the same.
Such is the gospel.
Jn3
nickyes;Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
Gene Balthrop,
God set my mind to considering this issue after my last post and placed some new thoughts into my head.
Do you look at sin as if it were a mistake?
I do not since even when we sin unknowingly it comes from our own evil desires.
I would also conclude that if you are in doubt whether an action is sinful or not then you are not being guided by the spirit of righteousness that knows what is sinful and what is not.
Now the next part of what I write can be falsely used by ignorant and corrupt people to justify their sins. I see no way to prevent that but by this warning.
If you fear God then if you do sin you will confess your sins and God is merciful and forgiving and will cleanse you of all unrighteousness. In doing so those that fear God remember that a broken spirit and a contrite heart are pleasing to God.
Kerwin………Your perception is indeed mistaken. As your think Fear can change a person or prevent him from sinning. if that were that case the (ALL) of ISREAL would not have sinned any longer after Ex20:20. As i said FEAR can be a Deterrent BUT it can (NEVER) Change our Hearts and MINDS. “FOR NOTHING IS PERFECTED (IN) FEAR”.
I will leave you this scripture and think about it…… Jer 13:23….> Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.“Unless the LORD build the House the weary builder toil in vain, unless the LORD is the cities Shield the guards maintain a useless watch”.
Fear has no place in our LOVE for our GOD, But i will say this is a fearful thought, Knowing that our eternal life and future existence is all in the hands of ONE GOD. If When we die and He were decide to leave us in the grave we will no longer exist for eternity. Because He can destory our body and Spirit which is our SOULS composition in the grave. When we die our thoughts (PARISH), we no longer exist. WE will remain that way unless GOD creates us a new BODY and Adds Spirit back into it and we then will become a living SOUL again. If you really understand this, it does give you a sense of fear of death, knowing that our very life thread is held by GOD ALONE> That is why the resurrection of Jesus from the grave gives us such HOPE> You may not understand this, but that is what give a sense of fear and probably will until i receive my complete change and a new Body and Spirit from GOD in it, if he so decides to. IMO
Kerwin i really think you should use the word reverence and respect when drawing a relationship With GOD the FATHER. If a person LOVES someone GOD or Man or Animal they will RESPECT them and care for them. LOVE is the goal for all, especially those of the house hold of GOD. IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (terraricca @ April 24 2010,15:59) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2010,18:00) Hi T,
The message to all is the same.
Such is the gospel.
Jn3
nickyes;Jn 3:21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.”
Hi T,
The truth is that you must be born again of water and the Spirit.Gene Balthrop,
Do believe what these scriptures state about God?
Exodus 20:5(KJV) reads:
Quote Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
and
Exodus 34:7(KJV) reads:
Quote maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.”
What characteristics of God are they teaching us about?
Kerwin……….God is can be made Jealous as we can also, He gave Israel their Land and Prospered all the works of their hands and they became rich and prosperous, then they they bowed down to Idols and attributed all their wealth to them. Naturally that would make Him Jealous to see them give their affections to some things else when it was Him who gave them these things. God only did what anyone of Us would do also.
But you are trying to attribute this to a FEAR Obedience and Worship is in Error . IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Nick……….I started their about 50 years ago , but it did not remain there , how about you are you still trying to figure out your salvation with fear and trembling, By Now you should have already figured that out . It is time to grow and mature some, and not remain in the elementary teachings as some seem to. IMO
peace and love………………..gene
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