Righteous in gods eyes

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The law apples to those to whom it was given.
Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3]
Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,10:55)

Hi KW, The law apples to those to whom it was given. Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3] Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them.

nick

what that mean come to Christ;is it not take knowledge about him? and his father?

and now by doing so ,was not the Talmud available in there time to consult it??and were they no preachers to help them?
and was not God s spirit more abounded in those day s than today?
now all were under the law knowing or not,but understand it comes from God not men that was different,being a gentile and do good deeds is a asset wen the word of god is known,

as soon you are a believer and stopped doing the works of the sinful nature of the flesh,you now fallow Christ teachings so in the spirit.and clean your heart and mind to bring it in line with Gods will.

[kerwin]

Gene,

I read the rest of your post and it seems to me you fail to understand that fearing God and loving him are part and parcel of serving the Lord. Perhaps if you mediate on Deuteronomy 6 and ask God to grant you understanding it will make you more knowledgeable.

[NickHassan]

Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2010,13:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,10:55) Hi KW, The law apples to those to whom it was given. Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3] Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them. nick what that mean come to Christ;is it not take knowledge about him? and his father? and now by doing so ,was not the Talmud available in there time to consult it??and were they no preachers to help them? and was not God s spirit more abounded in those day s than today? now all were under the law knowing or not,but understand it comes from God not men that  was different,being a gentile and do good deeds is a asset wen the word of god is known, as soon you are a believer and stopped doing the works of the sinful nature of the flesh,you now fallow Christ teachings so in the spirit.and clean your heart and mind to bring it in line with Gods will.

Hi T,
No Jesus was not a philosopher and neither should we be.
Nothing has changed since Peter made the promise in Acts 2.39.
God's power has not decreased nor become less available.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,16:31)

Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2010,13:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,10:55) Hi KW, The law apples to those to whom it was given. Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3] Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them. nick what that mean come to Christ;is it not take knowledge about him? and his father? and now by doing so ,was not the Talmud available in there time to consult it??and were they no preachers to help them? and was not God s spirit more abounded in those day s than today? now all were under the law knowing or not,but understand it comes from God not men that  was different,being a gentile and do good deeds is a asset wen the word of god is known, as soon you are a believer and stopped doing the works of the sinful nature of the flesh,you now fallow Christ teachings so in the spirit.and clean your heart and mind to bring it in line with Gods will. Hi T, No Jesus was not a philosopher and neither should we be. Nothing has changed since Peter made the promise in Acts 2.39. God's power has not decreased nor become less available.

nick

you do not answering to what is said,

and i never talked about Gods power,we know that is power as no limit.

[kerwin]

Nick,

Jesus did establish the central ideas of a movement which means he is a philosopher.  Perhaps you are speaking of another definition for the word philospher though they all seem to fit Jesus to some degree.  The exception being he may not be well versed in the field of philosophy.

Here are the definitions.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,05:55)

Hi KW, The law apples to those to whom it was given. Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3] Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them.

Nick Hassan,

I am not sure of what you are stating since the Law makes one aware of their sin and those Gentiles who did not live in the land God gave to the children of Isreal did not have the law. Even though they did not have the law they still died for their sins even though they were unaware of those sins. In fact we are instructed that Jonah in carying the word of God to one such Gentile nation saved that nation from bearing the wrath of God when it chose to repent.

It is true that a Gentile who did not have the law but did not sin would show that the requirements of the law are written on his heart with his concious also bearing witness to their innocence.

All of this Paul teaches us in Romans 2:12-16.

The Law would still be for the lawbreakers and not for those who walk according to the ways of the spirit of obedience, Galatians 5:18-23.

[GeneBalthrop]

Kerwin ………you still have not answered my question So to me being under something means it is what is controlling you, how ever you may have a different meaning. Pleas answer the question what does it mean to be (UNDER) The LAW.

You say if a person obeys the Law (COMPLETELY) tell us do you, obey it (COMPLETELY)? What does this mean to you “For they have (all) gone away backward , there is (NONE) that does GOOD not NOT EVEN ONE”. Trying to attain the kingdom of GOD by WORKS of LAW does not work, it did not work then and it does not work NOW, It just gives an appearance of righteousness a righteousnesses of self. (self righteousness). We inter in to the Kingdom by the GRACE of GOD and HIS WORK (IN) US and Nothing MORE.

Law pushers are those who worship GOD with their mouth , but their Hearts are far from HIM. The laws of GOd are HOLY JUST and GOOD, but you see that is not the point is it. The point is HOW are WE MADE RIGHT?.

peace and love to you and your……………….gene

[942767]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 21 2010,02:50)

Kerwin ………you still have not answered my question So to me being under something means it is what is controlling you, how ever you may have a different meaning. Pleas answer the question what does it mean to be (UNDER) The LAW. You say if a person obeys the Law (COMPLETELY) tell us do you, obey it (COMPLETELY)? What does this mean to you “For they have (all) gone away backward , there is (NONE) that does GOOD not NOT EVEN ONE”.  Trying to attain the kingdom of GOD by WORKS of LAW does not work, it did not work then and it does not work NOW, It just gives an appearance of righteousness  a righteousnesses of self. (self righteousness). We inter in to the Kingdom by the GRACE of GOD and HIS WORK (IN) US and Nothing MORE. Law pushers are those who worship GOD with their mouth , but their Hearts are far from HIM. The laws of GOd are HOLY JUST and GOOD, but you see that is not the point is it. The point is HOW are WE MADE RIGHT?. peace and love to you and your……………….gene

Hi Gene:

Under the law the people offered the blood of an animal to atone for their sin, and on the day of atonement the high priest entered into the holy of holies every year with blood for his own sins and the sins of the nation of Israel. This was repeated each year because the blood of the animal was only symoblic of the perfect sacrifice that God would offer through his Son and His Christ. The blood of the the animal did not wash away the sins.

This is the picture of those who were under the Law. The Law does not control anyone. You can obey it or not. By the Law was knowledge of sin, and so, if you had this knowledge, you knew to repent. Of course, there are consequences to breaking the Law. In any society there are laws by which we are governed. The Laws of God are good principles by which we should live our lives. (Study Romans 7)

Under grace, when we sin in the body of Christ, we we can also repent, but the difference here, is the blood of Jesus washes away our sin completely when we repent. This does not have to be repeated every year as was done under the Law.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2010,20:24)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,05:55) Hi KW, The law apples to those to whom it was given. Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3] Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them. Nick Hassan, I am not sure of what you are stating since the Law makes one aware of their sin and those Gentiles who did not live in the land God gave to the children of Isreal did not have the law.   Even though they did not have the law they still died for their sins even though they were unaware of those sins. In fact we are instructed that Jonah in carying the word of God to one such Gentile nation saved that nation from bearing the wrath of God when it chose to repent. It is true that a Gentile who did not have the law but did not sin would show that the requirements of the law are written on his heart with his concious also bearing witness to their innocence.   All of this Paul teaches us in Romans 2:12-16. The Law would still be for the lawbreakers and not for those who walk according to the ways of the spirit of obedience, Galatians 5:18-23.

Hi KW,
All have sinned.[Rom3]
We know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law.[Rom3]
For all who sin without the law will perish without the Law.[Rom2]

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2010,17:18)

Nick, Jesus did establish the central ideas of a movement which means he is a philosopher.  Perhaps you are speaking of another definition for the word philospher though they all seem to fit Jesus to some degree.  The exception being he may not be well versed in the field of philosophy. Here are the definitions.

Hi KW,
If you think Jesus was a shallow philosopher then clearly you do not believe his words were from God….unless you believe God is too?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,16:31)

Quote (terraricca @ April 20 2010,13:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2010,10:55) Hi KW, The law apples to those to whom it was given. Gentiles perish without reference to the law.[Rom2-3] Gentiles need to come to Jesus as the law cannot help them. nick what that mean come to Christ;is it not take knowledge about him? and his father? and now by doing so ,was not the Talmud available in there time to consult it??and were they no preachers to help them? and was not God s spirit more abounded in those day s than today? now all were under the law knowing or not,but understand it comes from God not men that  was different,being a gentile and do good deeds is a asset wen the word of god is known, as soon you are a believer and stopped doing the works of the sinful nature of the flesh,you now fallow Christ teachings so in the spirit.and clean your heart and mind to bring it in line with Gods will. Hi T, No Jesus was not a philosopher and neither should we be. Nothing has changed since Peter made the promise in Acts 2.39. God's power has not decreased nor become less available.

nick

all who were present were Jews, in Act 2

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Yes they were.
The invitation was first taken to God's chosen people.
The same Peter was shown in Acts 10 that now gentiles were to be offered salvation.
Even though the Spirit manifested in them when they heard the word they were still ordered to be baptised in water

The promise of Acts 2.39 is for all.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,08:29)

Hi T, Yes they were. The invitation was first taken to God's chosen people. The same Peter was shown in Acts 10 that now gentiles were to be offered salvation. Even though the Spirit manifested in them when they heard the word they were still ordered to be baptised in water The promise of Acts 2.39 is for all.

nick

i quoted you Act 15,and you deny all of it ,and that was addressed to the gentiles,

you are have sectarian views ,to protect the group,not the truth,

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
What was said in Acts 15 was not another new way of salvation for them but rather guidelines for those saved gentiles in working out their salvation.

The way of Acts 2.38 has never changed but everyone finds excuses not to listen.

'I have bought new oxen and need to try them out'

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,09:18)

Hi T, What was said in Acts 15 was not another new way of salvation for them but rather guidelines for those saved gentiles in working out their salvation. The way of Acts 2.38 has never changed but everyone finds excuses not to listen. 'I have bought new oxen and need to try them out'

nick

i have given you ,1)the thief–2)Act 15–3)Cornnelius.
and the fact that john the baptist was send only to nation of Israel.for there repentance

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
While do you need to look for exceptions?
Best to simply obey.

Wisdom is justified by her children.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,09:51)

Hi T, While do you need to look for exceptions? Best to simply obey. Wisdom is justified by her children.

nick

show me scriptures were it says water baptism,……how many

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Have you read the book of Acts lately?
How many responded and were not water baptised immediately?

Has anything changed?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2010,11:09)

Hi T, Have you read the book of Acts lately? How many responded and were not water baptised immediately? Has anything changed?

nick

i read the bible on a daily base.

you did not answer the question,
in Act 2 they were all Jews and john the baptist came to the Nation of Israel not to the gentiles.

same discussion then the circoncision,no gentiles do not have to be circumcised,no gentiles do not need to be baptised,

but it is good for proselytism.1Co 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas’”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co 1:15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
1Co 1:16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)
1Co 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

was not Paul send to the gentiles??

[Author]

Posts