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Gene,
If Rome is not the sixth Empire (one is) according to what John saw and wrote then it is back to the drawing board.
Do you have Rome as the sixth Empire with five already fallen when John gave the prophecy?
Yes / No?
Hi to all
God through prophecy tries to warn us against the enemy of our souls: Satan.
Satan has used 6, soon 7 forms of government
on the earth to try to bring as many people as possible to worship him at his feet.
If we cannot identify his forms of government, what good is prophecy? especially one in which we live and the seventh coming very soon which will last a short time and prepare the eighth.
The fifth who has fallen will be the EIGHT: THE BAPACY UNITED WITH DRAGON AND FALSE PROPHET (USA).SEE
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
T8. ….that’s were the mind of wisdom come in, John was transported in time to the day of Lord , that’s the one that “is” it is speaking from that day, not the day John was given the prophesy. GET IT? that’s the trick in understanding it. John was transported into the time of the SIXTH KINGDOM PERIOD, which was infact right before the rise of the Seventh Kingdom at the end of the Sixth. Unless you come to understand that, you can never get the correct understanding of revelations. IT IS A KEY NEEDED TO UNLOCK REVELATIONS.
It is very important you understand this or you simply can not get the timeline right. In fact that is where all the false teachings come from.
Please let me know, if you can see this, perhaps I am not explaining it right, once you understand it everything falls in line, and if it does not fit this understanding it simply is not true. You must come to understand this if you want to understand revelation.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Berean, the Sixth kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s hasn’t ever started yet. We are still in the Fifth kingdom period, and what Daniel Said about it fit this world today perfectly. INFACT WE ARE AT THE END OF THE FIFTH KINGDOM. I think Jesus might return within about 13 years.
It will take you and the whole world by suprise because you and they don’t understand Rev 17 properly, nor what Jesus said in Luke about his comming. It will be a CELESTIAL EVENT. and catch you and all the other false prophets by suprise. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi to all
The period when JOHN was transported is ours (the one is…6th head)
It is the time of the Great whore’s judgment(REV.17)
THE ANGELS SHOW TO JOHN THE JUDGMENT OF THE WHORE .
AT THIS MOMENT “Five are fallen”
1-Babylon
2-Medo Persia
3-Greece
4-Rome …ironleg/terrible beast
5-Rome divided (papal) /10 crowned horns + small dominant horn (538-1798)Time of the beginning of the investigative judgment (AD1844) REVELATION 14:7)
which corresponds to the end of the 2300 days/years of Daniel 8:14
457BC>>>>2300days/years>>AD1844OUR TIME
6- “One is head” >>>10 uncrowned dominant horns /small horn is wounded(Rev.13:3 /Rev.17:3)
7- the beast rising from the earth(Rev.13:11)
8- 8 th king (papacy revived)+ 10 horns crowned(Rev.17: 11,12) ONE HOUR
The fifth to the eighth head
matches the foot of the statue.END OF THE TIME OF GRACE(Rev.8:5/ Rev.22:11)
9- TIME OF THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES
(DANIEL 12:1 -/REVELATION 16)10- SECOND COMING OF CHRIST( REV.19-/MATTHEW 24
11- MILLENIUM IN HEAVEN FOR THE CHOSEN ONES. …SATAN IS BOUND…EVIL DESTRUCTION. …JUDGMENT OF THE LOST IN HEAVEN (REV.20)
12- DESTRUCTION OF THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE
13- CREATION OF NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH WHERE JUSTICE WILL DWELL. (REV.21/ESAIE 65)
65:17For I will create new heavens and a new earth: the former things shall not be remembered, neither shall they be remembered any more, neither shall they come to mind.
AT THIS MOMENT “Five are fallen”
1-Babylon
2-Medo Persia
3-Greece
4-Rome …ironleg/terrible beast
5-Rome divided (papal) /10 crowned horns + small dominant horn (538-1798)Time of the beginning of the investigative judgment (AD1844) REVELATION 14:7)
which corresponds to the end of the 2300 days/years of Daniel 8:14
457BC>>>>2300days/years>>AD18446- “One is head” >>>10 uncrowned dominant horns/small wounded horn(Rev.13:3 /Rev.17:3)
7- the beast rising from the earth(Rev.13:11)
8- 8 th king (papacy revived)+ 10 horns crowned(Rev.17: 11,12) ONE HOUR
The fifth to the eighth head
matches the foot of the statue.END OF THE TIME OF GRACE(Rev.8:5/ Rev.22:11)
9- TIME OF THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES
(DANIEL 12:1 -/REVELATION 16)10- SECOND COMING OF CHRIST( REV.19-/MATTHEW 24
11- MILLENIUM IN HEAVEN FOR THE CHOSEN ONES. …SATAN IS BOUND…EVIL DESTRUCTION. …JUDGMENT OF THE LOST IN HEAVEN (REV.20)
12- DESTRUCTION OF THE LOST IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE
13- CREATION OF NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH WHERE JUSTICE WILL DWELL. (REV.21/ESAIE 65)
65:17For I will create new heavens and a new earth: the former things shall not be remembered, neither shall they be remembered any more, neither shall they come to mind.
T8…… please go to my response on 2/19/2020, post #, 850244 , it is absolutely crucial you understand it or you will never get revelations right. Please take the time and read it and see how it fit perfectly.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Berean…….We are not in the fourth time period of the Roman Empire , the legs of Iron, Neither does Rome or the papacy rule the world, or has any milatary or economic power , that it had in the fourth time period , the only nations that have any real power and economic control are the present nations of this world which is mixed with the seed of men , just as Daniel said. , this world is exactly as Daniel described the “feet of Iron and clay” it fits “exactly” and the next world rulling kingdom to come on this earth is the ‘SIXTH” world rulling kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s.
You have clouded your understanding by adding the papacy as world rulling kingdom , pure false teaching, they were never ever a world rulling kingdom, even though they tried. If you can’t see Rev 17 as i explained and how it ties into what Dan says , you simply can’t come to a right conclusion.
Another thing you are not understanding , there are two future commings, one is the return of Jesus and the first resurrection, then at the end the return of all mighty God himself, and the second resurection takes place and the final judgement takes place. When he comes he will destroy the seventh and eighth kingdoms and Satan will go into Predition, just as it say.
Your not understanding that there is a future comming of Jesus christ and another future comming of Almighty GOD. There are also two seperate resurections the first at Jesus’ return and the second resurection at the return of Almighty GOD.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
You can’t understand what I’m trying to show you through the bible alone because you are obsessed with your NON-BIBLICAL theory that you think is infallible.
Don’t you see that we have to compare Daniel 2 with Daniel 7 and 8.
and Revelation 13 and 17…
If you want me to at least understand what you’re saying, you have to use the bible to explain the bible, which you don’t do.4 UNITED SAP KINGDOMS
1)BABYLON
2)MEDO PERSE
3)GRECIA
4)ROME
ROME DIVIDED Born of the Fourth Empire
Daniel 2
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
[42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
[43] And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.Daniel 7 explains the four world empires in more detail, especially the fourth and future empires.
of the fourth that would become Roman Catholic Europe.Explanation of the angel to Daniel
Chap.7
[23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
[24] And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise>>(THE FEET OF DANIEL 2)and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
[25] And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.[26] But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
[27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
[28] Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.ROME NUMBER 4 (end AD 476)
Rome divided : number 5
Divided by the 10 horns in AD 476 to 330.
After that
from 330 to 508 >>Rise in power of
the Bishop of Rome(LITTLE HORN)and he shall subdue three kings.
The Vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli are the horns subdued (they are now extinct )
508 to 538>>>>>Beginning of papal supremacy>>>>1798 (end)
6th KINGDOM FROM THE 4TH
THE 10 HORNS IN THE TIME
OF THE LITTLE HORN WOUNDED
7 TH UNITED STATE OF AMERICA
8 TH PAPACY REVIVED
FOR THE NEW WORLD ORDER
DRAGON / BEAST/ FALSE PROPHET
Berean……Wrong , you are right until you reach the fourth kingdom and you from that point are totally wrong . There is no world rulling papacy, not then nor now or ever will be. We are “NOW” IN THE FIFTH WORLD RULING EMPIRES, THE ONES MIXED WITH IRON AND CLAY. WE MATCH EXACTLY WHAT Daniels said .
The out line of Revelations 17 and Daniel 2 fit perfectly , and the next kingdom to come on this earth will be the ‘SIXTH KINGDOM, Of Jesus christ and the Saint’s.
What you are doing is simply mudding the water. What I have written is “exactly right” all your Predition must meet that frame work or they are simply false . You need to reexamine them and drop the papacy thing and try to get the sequence of events as I have shown you. You must understand what revelation 17 meant , when it said now here is the mind that has wisdom. “five are fallen, one “IS” and and another shall arise. That puts the prophesy time “IN” the “sixth” kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s, and after that comes the Seventh and combines with the eight and makes war with Jesus Christ and the Saint’s, and they retreat back to Jerusalem, and the Armies of the seventh and come to destroy Jesus and the Saint’s at Jerusalem, and God the Father rains down fire from heaven and destroys them and Satan goes to Predition , the lake of fire .
If you are unable to see that John was transported into the Sixth kingdom and was speaking from that time line, then you do not have the mind of wisdom. Just that simple. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
If you cannot see that John was transported to the sixth kingdom and spoke from this timeline, then you do not have the spirit of wisdom. It’s that simple.
In Revelation 17 we read
Then one of the seven angels who held the seven bowls came, and spoke to me, saying, Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on the great waters.
the angel shows John the judgment of the prostitute at the time of the judgment when “five have already fallen”
And so we are in the time of the sixth Head …
John is shown the judgment of the whore at the time of the sixth Head.
That’s what I tell you from the start. So why are you telling me? :“If you can’t see that John was transported to the sixth kingdom and spoke from this timeline, then you don’t have the spirit of wisdom. It’s that simple.”
Do you read slowly that I post?
I wonder.
question:
What does “the little horn” of chapter 7 of Daniel mean to you?
Berean……Wrong the final Judgement of the great whore takes place at the end of the Seventh KINGDOM which takes place at the end of the SIXTH KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINT’S. You are unable to understand that because you have not applied Rev 17 with Daniel 2 correctly , Daniel only mentions five Babyloian type kingdoms and the sixth kingdom he mentions is the “STONE” that strikes the feet of Iron and Clay, which is the “SIXTH” kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s. Who crushes the Babylons world rulling systems of rule, and at the end of that Sixth world ruling kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s, Babylon will rise again as the Seventh world rulling kingdom for a short time, and Satan will be released from the bottomless pit and as the Eighth will join the Seventh Kingdom and make war against Jesus and the Saint’s,.
The Seventh “Babyloian” rise represents the one that had the “deadly wound that was heald “, that deadly wound was inflected when the Sixth kingdom of Jesus and the Saint’s struck the image on the foot of Iron and Clay,
Everything fit if you understand Rev 17 and Daniel 2. You must come to see that John was transported by the spirit of God into the “sixth WORLD RULLING kingdom” of Jesus christ and the Saint’s and from that stand point he begins speaking of the Seventh and eight kingdoms that come to exist for a short time 3 1/2 years and Almighty GOD returns to this earth and destroys them.
If you understood Rev17 CORECTLY, you could easely see this. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Wrong the final Judgement of the great whore takes place at the end of the Seventh KINGDOM which takes place at the end of the SIXTH KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINT’S.
Here again you don’t understand that the angel speaks of the judgment( v.1-5) of the whore
, not the final judgment that will take place à the second coming of Jesus Christ
but the investigative judgment.
The angel shows John what this whore has done wrong and that it will be her destiny: LOSS in the lake of fire and brimstone.
fire at the return of Jesus where all the lost will end.Again I ask you the question:
What does “the little horn” of chapter 7 of Daniel mean to you?
It wasn’t written for nothing.
Berean…… I haven’t studied about the little horn at all, but I will tell you this if it does not match what I have shown and written about Rev -7, and Daniel 2, then you are not staying within the frame work given us by in Rev 17 and Daniel 2 , so then you are interputing it wrong. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
“I have not studied the little horn at all, but I will tell you that if it does not correspond to what I have shown and written about Rev. 7 and Daniel 2, then you are not staying within the framework given by Rev. 17 and Daniel 2, then you are misinterpreting it. OMI.”
That’s the problem for you.
You neglect what God has given to discern the truth as closely as possible.
Between Daniel 2 and Revelation 17
there are Daniel 7; 8; 9; 11….
Revelation 12; 13; 14: to mention only the most important ones.
Although all chapters are important.BEREAN……So what you are trying to tell us is that, those so-called “important ones”, so how change the meanings of Rev17 and Daniel 2?
No, your inturpition of them is wrong, because it does not fit what Rev 17 and Daniel 2 says, and that is the truth. You simply do not understand what is meant by the words , “five are fallen and one “IS” as what time dates The prophesy “, to the time of the millennial kingdom of Jesus and the Saint’s. WHICH is the SIXTH kingdom on this earth, until you get that right you can not begin to understand Revelations. Nor what Daniel said. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene
Gene
If you don’t understand Daniel 7 and 8…
9; 10 11 and 12
You can’t understand Revelation 17
I wonder where you went fishing
your interpretation of prophecy that does not take into account THE ENTIRE
of the main texts of Daniel and
Revelation.
The two books are closely related
with each other
and you can’t pretend to have a proper view with just a few verses scattered here and there.
You’re ignoring the men of faith from the past who have gone before us and
which are unanimous on many
points (day/year principle among others)Proverbs 11 (Useful for all)
[14] Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellers there is safety.
Berean……Again wrong if you don’t understand what the mind that has wisdom means in Rev 17, which is the key that timedates the whole prophesy, and how it fits perfectly with Daniel 2 :17-45 . You will be taken by suprise when the kingdom of Jesus and the Saint’s comes, which is the stone the “sixth” kingdom, that strikes the feet of Iron and Clay, which is the Fifth “Babyloian ” kingdom on this earth and brings the Babyloian type kingdoms to a end from ruling this earth until the end of the millennium reign , then a Seventh Babyloian type of kingdom will arise again “the deadly wound inflected on the Fifth Babyloian kingdom when Jesus returns was healed” and will try to wear out the Saint’s, and when Satan is released from the bottomless pit he shall gather the nations of the seventh kingdom and bring them to war against Jesus and the Saint’s in Jerusalem and fire will come down from God and devours them and Satan will be cast into the lake of fire and goes into Predition. Just as it say in Rev 17:11 .
Rev 17:12…. and the ten horn which you saw , “are ten kings, which have no kingdoms (as yet); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 14 , These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he “IS” , (at the time of this prophesy) Lord of lords, and king of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithfull.
Berean , when is Jesus king of kings and Lord of lords, and when are those “with” him , the called chosen and faithful, who fight against , it is when they are with him in t h e kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saints. This all takes place at the end of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ and the Saints. Just that simple.
You can’t understand this because you don’t understand what is meant by Rev 17:9 , so you as well as many others have you times and dates of the occurrence of both Rev 17 and The book of Daniel. You must understand the John was transported into the time of Jesus’ kingdom which is the Sixth kingdom that will rise on the earth. And the Seventh kingdom and eighth rises up at the end of it. If you can’t understand that, then there is no truth in what you are saying. IMO.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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