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The whore of Revelation 17
used in the passed the power of the civil and political leg to enforce his religious doctrines.
“The vision John was carried forward to our day, the time of the judgment. From the period of the judgment he looked back in time to when the Papal church was supported by the Papal State, the whore supported by the beast. The angel, speaking from our point in time, told John that the Papal State that supported the Papal Church had been and was not, having been abolished in 1798 – i.e. received a deadly wound. However it is to arise again and be called the eighth head. Then all the corrupt powers which have apostatized from God will give their support to the Papacy for a prophetic hour in her last effort to eradicate the saints. However, when her triumph looks certain her supporters will turn on her and destroy her as described in Revelation 18.”
Then all the corrupt powers which have apostatized from God will give their support to the Papacy for a prophetic hour in her last effort to eradicate the saints. However, when her triumph looks certain her supporters will turn on her and destroy her as described in Revelation 18.”
While think it is very possible that the RCC is in prophecy, I find it very difficult to see what you are saying here as coming to pass.
I see her more as the woman arrayed is purple and scarlet than the beast she sits upon.
And we must remember that the beast has seven heads, thus the woman could well be ‘false religion’ as each head had their own pantheon.
Although many of these gods including Mary the Mother of God do originate from the Babylonian religion. Even the Trinity originates here which is the foundation of the Catholic Church.
It seems to me to be the actual religion of Babylon and all the iterations of it that were associated with each head of the beast is the woman as we are not told that she is associated with one particular head of the beast rather the whole beast.
Berean. …..the abomination of deselation took place in 70 AD , after the Messiah, Jesus Christ was cut off for the Sins of the people.
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand…
So what was standing in the holy place according to you Gene?
I give this link which I believe has good advice for us.
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel–let the reader understand…
So what was standing in the holy place according to you Gene?That’s a good question for Berean too
I also do not understand Berean’s 1160 day theory. For me, it would have some credibility if he could simplify it down to two paragraphs.
Ed J’s theory is simple and truth tends to be simple like that. 1 +1 = 2, e=mc2… 1160 days =…
T8……It is not talking about a religion at all. It’s talking about what the whole world does, by selling themselves to Gain wealth, the whole world is involved in this.
I’m not so sure about that Gene. The world is a system that yes incorporates buying and selling commerce, whereas the Kingdom of God is giving and receiving.
But you seem to be making the argument that the world is Babylon. I disagree. When you study scripture, God judged Babylon not because of her trade, but because of false gods.
Mystery Babylon has a specific meaning that you would have to assume has something to do with the original Babylon. And when you study scripture, you read about how God judged Babylon for her false gods, not for her trade.
When you subscribe or create an end-time theory, you need to study scripture and not just pull things out of thin air that sound good.
I also do not understand Berean’s 1160 day theory. For me, it would have some credibility if he could simplify it down to two paragraphs.
Ed J’s theory is simple and truth tends to be simple like that. 1 +1 = 2, e=mc2… 1160 days =…
T8
It is not a theory
God give HIS prophecy because HE LOVE US.
someday you might understand if you don’t allow yourself
not flaming up
of doctrine or theories
And know that the truth in this area (prophecy in particular) is never popular …Edj…… As i see it, the abomination of deselation was the Roman “prince Titus ” the son of Empire Vaspaszian. He was the prince spoken of there . He destroyed the Temple and the whole city of Jerusalem also and scattered all the Jews which caused them to be desperised into the whole earth.
That all took place in 70 AD. Also the Messiah was cut of for the Sins of the people, and the daily sacrifice ceased to be given. This all perty much fits what happened in 70 AD. Imo
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
To All…..please go on the Internet and read this…….“The Temple in Jerusalem over the threshing floor which is presently under the AL Kas fountain”
It tells about what took place after 70 AD, the first destruction of the temple. You should find it very enlighten.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Extraction from:
khanacademy.org/human
“the Dome of the Rock was one of the first Islamic buildings ever constructed. It was built between 685 and 691/2 by Abd al-Malik, probably the most important Umayyad caliph, as a religious focal point for his supporters, while he was fighting a civil war against Ibn Zubayr. When Abd al-Malik began construction on the Dome of the Rock, he did not have control of the Kaaba, the holiest shrine in Islam, which is located in Mecca.”
someday you might understand if you don’t allow yourself
not flaming up
of doctrine or theories
And know that the truth in this area (prophecy in particular) is never popular …In my view, if it was true and you understood it, then you should be able to explain it simply. And by the way, I’m open minded on this subject, but you need to make a compelling case if you wish for others to believe as you do. It is not unreasonable to expect this.
Ed J has put forth his case and I think that even Gene has too. Well he has at least explained that 70 AD is the date we start counting from. As for how that fits 1160 days I don’t know though.
God give HIS prophecy because HE LOVE US.
Of course prophecy is not a theory. As to what it means or what events fulfilled it, we’ll that is subjective. And given that there are a myriad of views about the true meaning, then yes people have theories. BTW, just because something is a theory, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
Your theory is centred around a pope or popes. This is a theory because scripture doesn’t actually say the Antichrist is the pope. It’s your interpretation of it. Thus a theory. You can only claim it is not a theory if you are infallible.
T8
If you reread my posts carefully you’ll find that I’ve given a lot of clues, leads…if you just wanted to search the internet for what I’ve already posted, I’m sure you’ll find your way.
T8…..please go on line and read what I last posted, I don’t know how I could post it here or I would . You all will be very enlighten by it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Extraction from:
khanacademy.org/human
“the Dome of the Rock was one of the first Islamic buildings ever constructed. It was built between 685 and 691/2 by Abd al-Malik, probably the most important Umayyad caliph, as a religious focal point for his supporters, while he was fighting a civil war against Ibn Zubayr. When Abd al-Malik began construction on the Dome of the Rock, he did not have control of the Kaaba, the holiest shrine in Islam, which is located in Mecca.”
Breean
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNSOjhrD81ZFmtnASQpBvzdawV1TuQ%3A1581201152587&ei=ADc_XrXFI8W4tQWYq7GYAQ&q=+was+the+dome+of+the+rock+built+688&oq=+was+the+dome+of+the+rock+built+688&gs_l=psy-ab.12…43235.43235..44714…0.4..0.80.80.1……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i71.7xlImpUB-5E&ved=0ahUKEwi1xZKogcPnAhVFXK0KHZhVDBMQ4dUDCAo
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQNv0NOFI6DHaGeMlxwY_Rx5US_hg%3A1581273847444&ei=91JAXvfpGs60tQW1l5rYAQ&q=dome+of+the+rock+was+built+in+688&oq=dome+of+the+rock+was+built+in+688&gs_l=psy-ab.12…24702.30832..34851…0.2..0.84.972.13……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i71.BSuqKAKWruc&ved=0ahUKEwi3weCPkMXnAhVOWq0KHbWLBhsQ4dUDCAo
Ed j
Why would your sources be more reliable?
Besides, it doesn’t matter, because the real
ISRAEL is not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
The Israel of today is the one who keeps the commandments of God.
and who have the faith of Jesus (Rev.14:12)There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.Galatians 3:28
2:9 But ye are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a settled people, that ye may declare the virtues of him that called you out of darkness into his marvellous light,
2:10 Ye who were not a people in time past, but now are the people of God, who had not obtained mercy, and now have obtained mercy.
1 Peter 2:9-10
I don’t think the return of the Jews
in the ancient territory of ancient Israel be the fulfillment of any prophecy as many assume.
Likewise 688 and 1948 have nothing to do with
with the abomination of desolation
For I repeat, the Israel of today in the land of Israel is no longer the chosen people and
God’s particular . It is the faithful church that inherits all of God’s promises given to ancient Israel.“In the new dispensation God bestows upon the converted Christians all the privileges and promises that had been made to the literal seed of Abraham (see Galatians 3:26-29). Now those that are Christ’s assume the role of Israel, and the Christian Church absorbs the status of the temple or sanctuary of God. The Scriptures make this abundantly clear in such texts as Romans 2:28-29; 9:6-8; Ephesians 2:11-13; 19-22; and 1 Peter 2:5.”
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T8…..please go on line and read what I last posted, I don’t know how I could post it here or I would . You all will be very enlighten by it.
Surely you could summarise it. What you have to realize is that people do not have time to read essays all the time which is why we never read Jodi’s posts. The way it works is you summarize it and if the readers see sense or truth in it, then they may become convinced that you might be onto something. Then they will make the time required to read the full theory. This goes for you to Berean.
Linking to an essay is not the way to teach something. You need to articulate it for two reasons.
- To show you understand it thus can teach it or in the least promote it because we should never promote a doctrine if we do not understand it.
- To not waste people’s time. A discussion is a back and forth conversation where small talk and explanations are in order. When you converse with people, does the other person speak for 20 minutes non-stop and then you do the same thing? Hardly ever if ever.
Einstein was right when he said:
If you can’t explain it simply, you don’t understand it well enough.
And of course, who is going to waste time on something that the person telling you about it doesn’t even understand it themselves.
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