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Rev 17: 10……and there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet; and when he comes, he must continue a short space.
Verse 11 …..and the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goes I to predition.
Verse 12…..And the ten horn which you saw are ten kings, which have recieved no kingdom as yet; but recieve power as kings one hour with the beast.
The key to understanding the above , is to understand who is the ONE Kingdom THAT IS. Because it time dates all the rest of what is said there.
We are told in Daniel about the FIVE progressive BABYLONIAN kingdoms, these are the “FIVE THAT ARE FALLEN”, and at the end of them at rock comes out of heaven and strikes the last or “FIFTH” kingdom, and after that there will be a SIXTH kingdom, that the God of heaven will setup on this earth, a SIXTH KINGDOM ON this earth , it is the kingdom of JESUS CHRIST and the Saints, That is the “ONE THAT ” IS” in the prophesy and dates the time of the rest of the prophesy taking place. The prophesy then shiftes to tell us what happens later but NOT YET IS, again dating the prophesy to he later end of the sixth kingdom, then there will rise another kingdom he is the seventh kingdom, and out of him will come the eight kingdom . The eight kingdom begins take place when Satan is released from the bottomless pit. And turns the world against Jesus and the saint’s.
So where are we now in prophecy? , we are in the FIFTH kingdom MENTIONED IN Daniel. WE ARE in the days of the ten toes, mixed with iron and clay, very powerful nations but are not one solid kingdom, powerful kingdoms scattered around the world. just before the stone from heaven strick and t h e SIXTH kingdom is set up, the kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s.
I would like some input of this please , TC AND ANTHONY and whoever will, please read it and commit.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
I Gene.
As usual, we are not on the same page.
These are kingdoms of the world and the stone that strikes the statue is the Kingdom of God.
T8…..yes that is the stone that stricks the image, it is sixth kingdom of JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINT’S, it is the one that “IS” in the prophesy, and dates the time of the prophesy. The seventh and eighth are what is to happen at the end of the sixth kingdom (the kingdom of Jesus christ and the Saint’s ). At the end of that kingdom, the seventh and the eight kingdoms rise for a short time 3 1/2 years, The “beast that was and is not, will come out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition after the 3 1/2 period is over.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Edj……wrong again, there are six “kingdoms” that come into existence, mentioned in DANIEL, one rep. GOLD, another rep. Silver, another rep. Bronze , another rep.iron, another rep. Iron and clay. The iron and clay are the FIFTH present kingdom on this earth, and are represent as iron mingled with clay, because they all have the strength of iron (nuclear powers) but do not agree with each other in their governance. So they are not a single kingdom , but made up of many strong but different powers, during the time of these kingdoms the God of heaven will strick these iron and clay, kingdoms and set up the kingdom of JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINT’S ruling with him for a thousand years,just as scripture “clearly” says. Thats when the first resurection takes place.
If you think JESUS ALREADY CAME and set up his kingdom on this earth already , you not even in the ball park. IMO
Remember what Jesus told Pilot, if his kingdom was of this world, his servants, would not suffered him to be taken, another words they would have fought.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene
If you think JESUS ALREADY CAME and set up his kingdom on this earth already , you not even in the ball park. IMO
Hi Gene,
What do you think happened at Pentecost?
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God bless
Ed JEdj……The holy spirit was given to those whom GOD WAS CALLING. THE SAINT’S WHO WILL rule with the man Jesus for a thousand years on this earth. We are the bearers of the holy spirit, just as Paul and Jesus said, “Know you not that YOUR BODIES are the temple of the HOLY SPIRIT,” Having the holy spirit in us does not make us a God, nordid it make The man Jesus A GOD either.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene
You said: The seventh and eighth are what is to happen at the end of the sixth kingdom (the kingdom of Jesus christ and the Saint’s ). At the end of that kingdom, the seventh and the eight kingdoms rise for a short time 3 1/2 years, The “beast that was and is not, will come out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition after the 3 1/2 period is over.
Me: I never heard it like this , It’s seems you are applying the last half week of the 70th. weeks of Daniels after the Kingdom of God. ( 1000year reign of Jesus Christ and The firstfruits.
Me: I see the last half week of Daniels ending just before the second coming of Jesus Christ.( Literally) when the Anti- Christ sets up his false kingdom for 3 1/2 years. And deceives many. So is that what our saying? After the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ with His saints.
God bless 🙏
If you think JESUS ALREADY CAME and set up his kingdom on this earth already , you not even in the ball park. IMO
Hi Gene,
What do you think happened at Pentecost?
Edj……The holy spirit was given to those whom GOD WAS CALLING. THE SAINT’S WHO WILL rule with the man Jesus for a thousand years on this earth. We are the bearers of the holy spirit, just as Paul and Jesus said, “Know you not that YOUR BODIES are the temple of the HOLY SPIRIT,” Having the holy spirit in us does not make us a God, nordid it make The man Jesus A GOD either.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene
Hi Gene,
Better smudge this verse out of your bible…
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion
by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and
speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:(Acts 1:3)____________
God bless
Ed JAnthony…….No the eight kingdoms on this earth have nothing to do with the berth of the Messiah, He was born in the fourth bablyon kingdom period, that was the ROMAN EMPIRE , that was ruling the world, the kingdom of iron.
The seventy weeks or years started from the time the decree went out to rebuild Jerusalem untill the messiah was born. AGAIN THAT PROPHESY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORLD RULING KINGDOMS, MENTIONED BY DANIEL.
The seven kingdoms are
1 …..THE BABLYONIAN EMPIRE (Nebuchadnezzar the head of gold)
2….. The Medo-Persian Empire ( Darius king ,the breast of silver)
3……The Greek Empire …………….. (Alixander the Great , belly and thiyies of brass)
4…..The Roman Empire…………….(Julis Ceasar the Roman Empire, legs of Iron)
5….The modern Empires………..(United States, Russia, China, England, France, Isreal, Iran, Pakistan , Japan, Europe ) iron mingled with clay,) these are the kingdoms we are now living in.,
6…..The kingdom of JESUS CHRIST and the Saint’s ……soon to begin, It is the SIXTH KINGDOM and rules for a thousand year rule on this earth. Satan and his evil demons are bound and put into the bottomless pit. He is the one, “that was and is not, and shall a send out of the bottomless pit” , why bottomless?, because there is no end of evil,but it can be contained.
7 and 8, kibgdoms come at the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus they last but a short time, 3 1/2 YEARS, Then after these GOD the Father comes and the Great white Judgement takes place, and all who have not yet been resurected will be and stand before the judgement seat of almighty God.
Anthony, that completes it all, and God the Father started a whole new begining , he makes all thing NEW.
Peace and love to you and yours . ………..gene
Edj……None of that has to do with the kingdom of Jesus christ ruling on this earth for a thousand years. That thousand year period hasn’t even started yet. But soon will, IMO.
Peaceand love to you and yours ………gene
I’ve never heard this theory before and chances are, you are wrong. However, I can respect that all discovered truth started somewhere, but I will prove to you in coming posts why this theory is wrong. I will give one point now.
The Beast of Revelation comes from the Great Sea. That sea is the Mediterranean Sea. Empires like the American Empire, British Empire, or Russian Empire, are not part of the Beastal kingdoms. The Beast is powered by the dragon who tried to devour a man child from a woman with 12 stars. We are not talking about the USA, China, Russia, or Britain. Israel is in the Middle East.
The Middle East has huge swathes of coastline on the Mediterranean and we already know that Satan’s throne is in the Middle East, Pergamon which is modern day Turkey to be exact.
Pay attention Gene. This one scripture shows your theory to be wrong.
Revelation 17:9
Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.As you can clearly see, the king or kingdom that was present when this book was written is the 6th king or kingdom, not the 4th as you assume. Rome is the sixth Kingdom. Here are the kingdoms:
- Egypt – 3100 to ? (Genesis 12:10)
- Assyria – 2500 BC to 605 BC (Genesis 2:14)
- Babylon – 612 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
- Medo-Persia – 539 – 331 BC (Daniel 5:28)
- Greecia – 331 – 168 BC (Daniel 10:20)
- Rome – 168-476 AD / 1453 AD – inc Byzantine period (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
T8……As usual you are wrong again, the seven mountains are (rises) of power where the woman (Bablyon) sits and are the seven kingdoms that are listed, from the time of the prophesy and as scripture “clearly’show, they start with king Nebuchadnezzar, the king of BABLYON , HE is as DANIEL “clearly” said the head of GOLD, the start point, of DANIELS prophesy, IT has NOTHING to do with EGYPT OR ASSYRIA. Those kingdoms existed before BABLYON, But only the progression of the Bablyonian empires over time is what the prophsey is taking about.
YOU ONLY MUDDY THE WATER T8….with you own additions to the progressive Bablyonian Empires . Each of these kingdoms came out of the previous ones, in secessions.
The pregressive kingdoms from the time of Daniel are as I have clearly listed , begin where DANIEL began , which history completely agrees with those progressions . ANY GOOD HISTORIAN CAN PROVE IT.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Revelation 17:9
Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.Gene,
Your ideas are all washed up.
Five are fallen…
1 Egypt
2 Assyria
3 Babylon
4 Medo-Persia
5 GreeciaOne is…
6 RomeThe other is not yet…
7.Ottoman8. And Muhammadin Islam is the eighth
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God bless
Ed JEdj…….read what I wrote in the last post, you guys are bringing in all kinds of kingdoms that have nothing to do with the progressive kingdoms of BABLYON. ANY GOOD HISTORY BOOK CAN TELL YOU WHICH KINGDOMS CAME OUT OF THE BABLYONIAN KINGDOM , IT NOT YOU 1 2 7 8 , HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. those kingdoms didn’t come “out” of the Bablyonian empire. 3 4 5 6 did.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Gene,
Muhammad is the false prophet of Revelation
And Islam is the spirit of Antichrist.All the added futurism garbage is uncalled for
Edj……To him that has an ear let him hear. I know what I have said is “exactly” right, you false belifs that Jesus has already returned and setup his kingdom is pure garbage. Because if Jesus has returned and setup his kingdom on this earth he has sure done a bad job of it.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
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