Reincarnation

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

YOUR goal seems to be against making assumptions, yet is seems
you want me to make an assumption as to what 'an evil Angel' is to YOU?
To me this is a contradiction in terms. YOU MUST define what 'an evil Angel' is!
That way we can be sure as to what we are discussing; would that not be prudent?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,15:12)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,13:44) Hi Ed, We have reverted to your word REBELLIOUS to bypass this unnecessary stumbling stone. OK? Hi Nick, So to YOU: an 'evil Angel' is a “rebellious Angel”    …do I have the definition correct then?     …if so, say so: so we can move forward in our conversation; OK? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Since ' evil angel 'was not part of your original assertion then it is not relevant directly to this thread or of so or why do yo think it is?
To continue in this diversion of how I understand the term is not helpful is it?
It is your statement we want to discuss, not ours.

You force us to think you cannot defend it and that is not your usual careful approach

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Would it be PRUDENT to seek meanings of words OUTSIDE OF THE SUBJECT?

I think you must be embarrassed by what popped out of your mouth.

Changing natures between angels and men is not of scripture.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Since such changes of nature are not written-prove me wrong please-then what led you to this assumption?

[Ed J]

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        Nick said

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To continue in  …how I understand the term is not helpful is it?

Yes, it is very helpful  as it seems to be the core of what you are wishing to discuss
by YOU starting this thread in the first place…   …which YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE MISLABELED.
So it is therefore of “Paramount” importance for you to define words which YOU CHOOSE TO USE.

That way there will be an avoidance of any possibility of miscommunication,
which the title of this thread has already established that YOU have made an error.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,14:39)

Hi ED, Man was created as a living soul [gen2]. Every soul is known by Him and must account for actions at the judgement. Men can be vessels for evil spirits or for the Holy Spirit which is how we are designed. Jesus the man remained a man and did not become God despite being indwelled by God-we follow. How can men be created from already existing and greater angelic beings – scripturally? WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT BEINGS CHANGE THEIR NATURE TO OTHERS OF A DIFFERENT NATURE?

Hi Nick,

Why did you post this post, if you you are unwilling to define the words YOU CHOOSE TO USE?  
Therefore it “IS” prudent that YOU FIRST define words that YOU are attributing meaning to!

Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,13:02)

Hi Nick, I first need to know how you define the term YOU used:  'evil Angel'.                  What is an 'evil angel'?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,15:56)

Hi ED, Would it be PRUDENT to seek meanings of words OUTSIDE OF THE SUBJECT?

Hi Nick',

The subject is:  'Reincarnation, Pagan idea'

Is this REALLY what YOU want do discuss?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
You have withdrawn support for your idea?
fair enough.

But the subject was your comment about rebellious angels.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Looks as though we must remain ignorant of why Ed showed his cards on this matter.
Stranger and stranger..

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

How can a conversation possibly progress if YOU refuse to define terms that you use?

You started this thread because you claim that you are against assumptions, yet you
want me to make an assumption as to what a term means that I have never heard before?

This is not the way to have a viable conversation, so I ask again:  
but this time putting you on “The Hot Seat“.

I do seek resolution, but we MUST be clear as to what we are talking about.
Reincarnation is NOT “Preexistence”, I hope at least that much is clear to you.

I need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Please answer my query.

Ed J

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,08:41)

Hi ED, MY definition is not any more relevant  than that of a dictionary. We need to see what is written and learn from that.

Hi Nick, Jack defines 'a rock' as a being. Do you? I don't!

So unless I know for certain what definition you are using,
how can I assume what we are speaking about is identical?

For instance: you labeled this thread 'Reincarnation' but that
is NOT what you are wanting to talk about. You instead want to
talk about “Preexistence“, so based on this fact alone there is no way
to be certain what you mean when you use the UNDEFINED TERM 'evil Angel'?
So I ask you to define this term (evil Angel) so we can proceed in our conversation.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

spin

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
Back to your idea.
You indicated that the verse in JUDE 1.12 was about the angels but offered nothing beyond your opinion.

Has it come to you yet that you need at least some scriptural evidence and witnesses to declare a truth?

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

                              'This is a dichotomy'.  
                   
You started this thread because you claim that  you are against making assumptions,  yet you
want me  to make an assumption  as to what a term means that I have never heard before?

                           End the dichotomy NOW.                  

I need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[GeneBalthrop]

ED j……..Doesn't “REINCARNATION” mean RE-INCARNATED, doesn't the perfects RE mean “AGAIN”? So would that not imply a Preexistence State? , seems pretty clear to me brother.

peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

[Ed J]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 08 2012,02:16)

ED j……..Doesn't “REINCARNATION” mean RE-INCARNATED, doesn't the perfects RE mean “AGAIN”? So would that not imply a Preexistence State? , seems pretty clear to me brother. peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

Hi Gene,

So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary
to know what “exactly” we are discussing.  Defining the terms…

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Reincarnation:  The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
                          comes back to earth in another body or form.

Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.

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They certainly are not synonymous with one an other! Did you think that they were?
How exactly do you figure that these two different words can have identical meanings?

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Gene,

So as to avoid miscommunication, which right off the bat, you are using a different definition of Reincarnation?
For us to have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary to know what exactly we are discussing.
It is for that very reason that I asked Nick to define his use of the term: 'an Evil Angel'

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
What do you mean?

You spoke of rebellious angels.
Surely these are angels who sinned.
Do you not think EVIL should be applied to them?

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