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June 30, 2013 at 6:11 am#349332

Wakeup

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Quote (carmel @ June 30 2013,06:03)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2013,20:14)

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Wakeup,June wrote:

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WHAT HAPPENED TO JESUS CHRIST'S BODY?

WASN'T IT DESTROYED COMPLETELY?UNQUOTE:
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NO; HIS BODY WAS NOT DESTROYED,AND NEITHER HIS CLOTHES. THE FLESH WAS TRANSFORMED INTO SPIRIT.(

Wakeup,

With every respect I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION!

I QUOTED SCRIPTURES!

I COMMENTED ON THEM!

YOU ONLY DO THE SAME AND CONTRADICT ME USING SCRIPTURES IF YOU WON'T DO THAT, I CONSIDER THAT MY COMMENTS STAND! NO MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION BE!

NOW READ SCRIPTURES:

John2:1919Jesus answered, and said to them:

DESTROY

this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.21But he spoke of the temple of his body.

NOW IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU!

HE SAID DESTROY THIS TEMPLE, WHICH WAS A RFERENCE TO WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM

I know also that there are different kinds of destructions, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER ARGUMENT

NOW FIND SCRIPTURES WHICH SAYS THAT JESUS' BODY WAS NOT DESTROYED!

NOT YOUR OPINION

Peace and love in Jesus

Charles

Carmel.

Jesus;the temple of God was destroyed on the cross.
But God gave him a new body;he was quickened.
He is now like the wind.(john3:8).
Do you know what quickened mean?
A spirit body is quickened;a flesh body is *not*quickened.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death **in the flesh**, *BUT QUICKENED BY THE SPIRIT*:

A flesh body is not quickened;it is not like the wind.

wakeup.

June 30, 2013 at 7:05 am#349337

Wakeup

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,06:45)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,01:52)

Ok Boditharta.

QUOTE:
Noah was a Prophet but certainly was not a Jew and neither was Abraham.UNQUOTE:

ABRAHAM WAS THE SON OF NOAH,AND ABRAHAMS 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL ARE ALL HEBREWS;UNTILL GOD GAVE THEM A NEW NAME; *ISRAEL*.

QUOTE:
Surah 2
140 Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!UNQUOTE.

THEY WERE HEBREWS, UNTILL GOD CALLED THEM ISRAEL,AND THE NAME CHISTIAN WAS NOT AT THE BEGINNING. BUT THEY WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH. CHRISTIANS/FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.
MOHAMADENS/FOLLOWERS OF MOHAMAD.
ONE CAN ONLY FOLLOW ONE OF THEM.

QUOTE:
Surah 3
65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?UNQUOTE:

THE LAW WAS INDEED NOT WRITTEN DOWN BEFORE MOSES. BUT ABRAHAM KNEW WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS EVIL; AND HE WAS GOD FEARING.THEREFORE GOD CHOSE HIM.
NO MAN CAN BE INNOCENT OF THE LAWS OF GOD,BECAUSE GOD GAVE THEM A CONSCIENCE,KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL.THE LAW IS SIMPLE *DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU DO TO YOURSELF.

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66 Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not! UNQUOTE:

ONE CAN NOT DISPUTE ABOUT KNOWLEDGE IF ONE DOES NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE;BUT HE CAN ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE
BY SEEKING.

QUOTE:
67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah. uNQUOTE:

ABRAHAM WAS A HEBREW,BUT GOD CALLED HIS CHILDREN JEWS(ISRAEL),SO WE CAN SEE ABRAHAM AS A JEWS.
THEY ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE.

QUOTE:
68 Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.UNQUOTE:

I DONT RECALL ABRAHAM TEACHING ANYBODY,AND THAT HE HAD ANY FOLLOWERS.

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2.Jesus came to feed his people israel.

Agreed

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3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.

QUOTE:
Yet, you cannot believe God had Muhammad in mind?UNQUOTE:

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS SEND MORE PROPHETS
AFTER JOHN THE BABTIST. FOR HE SAID ; *AND THE PROPHETS ARE UNTILL JOHN*. NOW WE HAVE SHEPHERDS AND APOSTLES.

THE PROPHETS WERE THEN FOR ISRAEL,BUT SINCE THEY HAVE REJECTED HIM; NOW GOD IS IN TOUCH WITH THE GENTILES;THROUGH APOSTLES, AND SHEPHERDS. NO MORE PROPHETS.

QUOTE:
Surah 3

187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! UNQUOTE:

1. THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE OBVIOUSLY THE JEWS.
BUT THEY DID NOT THROW IT AWAY, BUT THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE BOOK.

LETS FACE IT; THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN WILL NEVER AGREE,FOR THEY ARE OF DIFFERENT SPIRITS.
TWO DIFFERENT BLOOD TYPES DONT MIX.
MUSLEMS WILL NEVER CARRY THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN TO THE MOSQUE.TRUE OR FALSE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OF THE SAME SPIRIT.
AND SO ARE THEIR PROPHETS;NOT THE SAME.

wakeup.

You really do not understand do you? Noah was not the Father of Abraham. The Father of Abraham was Terah:
Also Abraham did not have twelve tribes come from him they came through Jacob:

Genesis 32:28
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Genesis 11:26
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.

The Father of Abraham was a Polytheist and worshipped Idols.

Remember Noah had 3 sons and none were hebrew an he was a prophet for the entire world, aftr the flood God gave the message to Noah which was for all mankind not to Hebrews or Jews. You simply do not understand the facts.

So once again all the prophets were not Jews nor were they Christians so the Prophets were sent throughout time to whom God pleased. This was also the case with Muhammad who being Arab was a descendent of Abraham i.e. Isaac and Ishmael were the seeds of Abraham.

In Islam there is no such thing as Mohamedans there areonly Muslims which mean “Submitter” which is what Abraham did “Submitted” himself to God, which is also what Jesus Christ did “submitted” himself to God.

ALL MEN ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE because ALL men came from ADAM every single human

Luke 3

…the son of Abraham,

the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,

35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,

the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,

the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,

the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,

the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,

the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,

the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,

the son of Seth, the son of Adam,

the son of God.

Boditharta.

Yes of course Abrahams father was Terah,but he was of Noah and so are we.
But Noah had three sons. Shem, Japeth, and ham.
Abraham was of shem.(shemite).

Abraham beget Isaac,and Isaac beget Jacob,an Jacob beget 12 sons which became the 12 tribes of israel.

Concerning Ishmail;he and his mother an egytian servant,was sent away by Abraham.
Ishmail was *not born* by propmise,he was born by the will of Sarah Abrahams wife,for she could not wait for the promise any longer.

Abraham lived in the land of the chaldeans in a city called Ur,along the euphrates river.

You accept Jesus ;you also need to believe in his words.
Or reject him.

FOR HE SAID* THE PROPHETS ARE UNTILL JOHN*
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. YOUR CHOICE.
YOU BELIEVE MOHAMADS WORDS, OR JESUS WORDS.

The name muslem(submit) is wisely chosen, to deceive.
Submit to whom? To allah you say. The God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob,you say.

But they have this hatred for the jews;Jesus is a jew.
The apostles are jews,Abraham,Isaac,jacob are the father of the jews. Here again; muslems dont mean what they say.
How can one submit to God, and have hatred in his heart?
This is impossible.This is a great lie.

They dont do what they preach;this is everywhere the same with muslems.They preach God and submission to God with a sword in their hearts.You can see them by their fruits,Jesus words.

wakeup.

June 30, 2013 at 7:47 am#349342

carmel

Participant

bodhitharta,June wrote:

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ALL MEN ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE because ALL men came from ADAM every single human

BD!

You are more interested in the BLOODLINE than the SPIRITLINE!

The bloodline is Satan's line! MATTER! EARTHLY! AFTER ADAM ( EX LUCIFER) SINNED AND RETURNED TO ( EX LUCIFER'S DEAD SPIRIT) SATAN'S EARTH DEU TO HIS OWN STUBBORNESS TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH GOD!

the spirit line is the WORD WHICH WAS IN ADAM AS THE FIRST LIVING SOUL!WHEN HE WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD!

ALL THE ENTIRE CREATION WAS CREATED BY THE WORD, IN THE WORD, AND FOR THE WORD!

AND THE WORD IS THE TRIUNE GOD 'S SPIRIT, THEN THIS SPIRIT WAS MADE FLESH IN JESUS CHRIST!

THE SECOND ADAM!DIRECTLY FROM GOD!

AND AS ADAM THROUGH SIN,WAS THE FATHER OF ALL THE DEAD SPIRIT LINE, SATAN'S

JESUS IS THE FATHER OF ALL THE LIVING SPIRIT LINE! GOD'S

SO SINCE JESUS WAS BORN ALSO FROM ADAM'S DEAD SPIRIT BLOODLINE , THERE WAS NOT JUST ONE DEAD SPIRIT BLOOD LINE WITHIN ADAM! BUT ALSO A LIFE SPIRIT BLOOD LINE

THIS SPIRIT BLOOD LINE WAS THE WORD HIDDEN, BURIED IN THAT DEAD BLOODLINE!

OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED SINCE ALL IN HIM, AND ALL BY HIM!

READ SCRIPTURE NOW:

John 1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.

4In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

5And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness DID NOT COMPREHEND IT

LIKE I'M AFRAID WHAT YOU'RE DOING! UNAWARE, COMPLETELY BLIND IN THE BLOODLINE! AND IGNORING THE SPIRIT LINE! JESUS CHRIST

NOW THESE TWO SPIRIT BLOODLINES, WERE BORN IN JESUS CHRIST!

THEY WERE BOTH ON THE CROSS AT ONE PARTICULAR TIME!

IN THAT INSTANT THESE TWO SPIRITS, THE DEAD SPIRIT, AND THE LIFE SPIRIT, BECAME ONE THE LIFE SPIRIT OVERPOWERED THE DEAD SPIRIT

THIS LIFE SPIRIT RESURRECTED BOTH AS FLESH AND AS SPIRIT MAN THE PERFECT MAN!

THIS MEANS THAT THE DEAD SPIRIT BLOOD LINE THE FLESH IS NO MORE IN ANYWAY PART OF MAN, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT JESUS CHRIST OWNS BOTH THE FLESH, AND THE SPIRIT HE RECONCILED ALL CREATION IN HIMSELF !

TODAY, THIS PERFECT MAN, IS BEING BORN AGAIN IN ALL THE ENTIRE HUMANS!

AGAIN HIDDEN, IN FLESH AND SPIRIT NO MATTER WHO!

ALL HUMANS INTERIORLY ARE BORN CLEAN, WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL SIN!

ALL EVIL IS BEING DONE BY HUMANS THEMSELVES NOW BUT EXTERNALLY VISIBLY, SINCE THE EVIL SPIRITS ARE IN THE AIR, EXTERNALLY, IT IS NOT COMING FROM WITHIN ANYMORE!

SATAN IS LOCKED, HE HAS NO KIND OF AUTOMATCAL FUNCTION, ONLY IF WE CONTACT HIM DIRECTLY!

IT ALL DEPENDS ON US TO MANIFEST THE TRUTH!

THAT WE ARE ALL IN CHRIST, AND WE SHOULD LIVE IN THIS LAST MILLENIUM IN CHRIST

THIS IS THE PERFECT UNIVERSAL CHURCH WHICH JESUS DIED FOR 2000 YEARS AGO!

56 GENERATIONS HAS PASSED FROM Abraham THE FATHER OF THESE TWO SPIRITS ISHMAEL THE DEAD SPIRIT and ISACC THE LIFE SPIRIT,

to Jesus THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, Son of GOD (good spirit)and Son of man ( dead spirit) ONLY ON BIRTH, like all humans! Adam's bloodline!

56 GENERTIONS HAS WELL PASSED FROM JESUS UP TO THIS DAY!

SO THE PERFECT CHURCH IS BEING BORN ALL IN ONE SPIRIT ENTIRELY , MYSTERIOUSLY IN BOTH FLESH AND SPIRIT! IN JESUS CHRIST! TILL THE THOUSAND YEARS FINISH!

ALL HUMANS NOW ARE ALL IN THE SECOND ADAM!

THE OPPOSITE WAY THEY WERE IN THE FIRST ADAM!

THERE ARE ENOUGH SIGNS TO CONFIRM THIS !

WE ARE IN THE PERIOD OF THE FIG TREE SO WE HAVE TO WATCH FOR ALL EXTRAORDINARIES WHICH WOULD HAPPEN AS EVIDENTLY AS THEY ARE IN THE FIG TREE !

Mark 13:28 Now of the fig tree learn ye a parable. When the branch thereof is now tender, and the leaves are come forth, you know that summer is very near. 29So you also when you shall see these things come to pass, know ye that it is very nigh, even at the doors.

Charles

June 30, 2013 at 8:34 am#349345

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,18:05)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,06:45)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,01:52)

Ok Boditharta.

QUOTE:
Noah was a Prophet but certainly was not a Jew and neither was Abraham.UNQUOTE:

ABRAHAM WAS THE SON OF NOAH,AND ABRAHAMS 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL ARE ALL HEBREWS;UNTILL GOD GAVE THEM A NEW NAME; *ISRAEL*.

QUOTE:
Surah 3
65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?UNQUOTE:

ONE CAN NOT DISPUTE ABOUT KNOWLEDGE IF ONE DOES NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE;BUT HE CAN ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE
BY SEEKING.

QUOTE:
67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah. uNQUOTE:

ABRAHAM WAS A HEBREW,BUT GOD CALLED HIS CHILDREN JEWS(ISRAEL),SO WE CAN SEE ABRAHAM AS A JEWS.
THEY ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE.

I DONT RECALL ABRAHAM TEACHING ANYBODY,AND THAT HE HAD ANY FOLLOWERS.

Quote
2.Jesus came to feed his people israel.

Agreed

Quote
3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.

QUOTE:
Yet, you cannot believe God had Muhammad in mind?UNQUOTE:

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS SEND MORE PROPHETS
AFTER JOHN THE BABTIST. FOR HE SAID ; *AND THE PROPHETS ARE UNTILL JOHN*. NOW WE HAVE SHEPHERDS AND APOSTLES.

THE PROPHETS WERE THEN FOR ISRAEL,BUT SINCE THEY HAVE REJECTED HIM; NOW GOD IS IN TOUCH WITH THE GENTILES;THROUGH APOSTLES, AND SHEPHERDS. NO MORE PROPHETS.

QUOTE:
Surah 3

1. THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE OBVIOUSLY THE JEWS.
BUT THEY DID NOT THROW IT AWAY, BUT THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE BOOK.

wakeup.

You really do not understand do you? Noah was not the Father of Abraham. The Father of Abraham was Terah:
Also Abraham did not have twelve tribes come from him they came through Jacob:

Genesis 32:28
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Genesis 11:26
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.

The Father of Abraham was a Polytheist and worshipped Idols.

ALL MEN ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE because ALL men came from ADAM every single human

Luke 3

…the son of Abraham,

the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,

35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,

the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,

the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,

the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,

the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,

the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,

the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,

the son of Seth, the son of Adam,

the son of God.

Boditharta.

Yes of course Abrahams father was Terah,but he was of Noah and so are we.
But Noah had three sons. Shem, Japeth, and ham.
Abraham was of shem.(shemite).

Abraham beget Isaac,and Isaac beget Jacob,an Jacob beget 12 sons which became the 12 tribes of israel.

Abraham lived in the land of the chaldeans in a city called Ur,along the euphrates river.

You accept Jesus ;you also need to believe in his words.
Or reject him.

FOR HE SAID* THE PROPHETS ARE UNTILL JOHN*
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. YOUR CHOICE.
YOU BELIEVE MOHAMADS WORDS, OR JESUS WORDS.

The name muslem(submit) is wisely chosen, to deceive.
Submit to whom? To allah you say. The God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob,you say.

They dont do what they preach;this is everywhere the same with muslems.They preach God and submission to God with a sword in their hearts.You can see them by their fruits,Jesus words.

wakeup.

Whatever Abraham was so was Ishmael and they were under a mutual covenant with God

Genesis 17:13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting
covenant.

Jesus was after John an he was a Prophet anPaul mentions prophets in th church of God:

1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

So is 1 Corinthians 12:28 true or false?

June 30, 2013 at 10:15 am#349354

Wakeup

Participant

Boditharta.

QUOTE:
Whatever Abraham was so was Ishmael and they were under a mutual covenant with God
Genesis 17:13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.UQUOTE:

THIS IS THE REASON ISHMAIL WAS SEND AWAY.
GOD WAS ONLY DEALING WITH ISAAC;HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM.

QUOTE:
Jesus was after John an he was a Prophet anPaul mentions prophets in th church of God:UNQUOTE:

JESUS IS THE MESSIAH,AND YOU CAN DENY IT IF YOU WANT. BUT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT.

QUOTE:
1 Corinthians 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.UNQUOTE:

JESUS CAN NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
THESE LAST DAYS SO CALLED PROPHETS ARE THEM THAT CAN INTERPRET PROPHESIES,ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN IN PRINT;OF WHICH THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THEM TODAY.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, ITS TRUE,BUT WITH CORRECTLY *DECERNING* THE SCRIPTURES.

wakeup.

June 30, 2013 at 12:28 pm#349366

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,21:15)

Boditharta.

THIS IS THE REASON ISHMAIL WAS SEND AWAY.
GOD WAS ONLY DEALING WITH ISAAC;HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM.

QUOTE:
Jesus was after John an he was a Prophet anPaul mentions prophets in th church of God:UNQUOTE:

JESUS IS THE MESSIAH,AND YOU CAN DENY IT IF YOU WANT. BUT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT.

JESUS CAN NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
THESE LAST DAYS SO CALLED PROPHETS ARE THEM THAT CAN INTERPRET PROPHESIES,ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN IN PRINT;OF WHICH THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THEM TODAY.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, ITS TRUE,BUT WITH CORRECTLY *DECERNING* THE SCRIPTURES.

wakeup.

The Messiah was also a prophet according to JESUS

Also what do you mean his words cannot be contradicted?

John 12:27
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

June 30, 2013 at 12:38 pm#349367

Wakeup

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,23:28)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,21:15)

Boditharta.

THIS IS THE REASON ISHMAIL WAS SEND AWAY.
GOD WAS ONLY DEALING WITH ISAAC;HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM.

QUOTE:
Jesus was after John an he was a Prophet anPaul mentions prophets in th church of God:UNQUOTE:

JESUS IS THE MESSIAH,AND YOU CAN DENY IT IF YOU WANT. BUT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT.

JESUS CAN NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
THESE LAST DAYS SO CALLED PROPHETS ARE THEM THAT CAN INTERPRET PROPHESIES,ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN IN PRINT;OF WHICH THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THEM TODAY.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, ITS TRUE,BUT WITH CORRECTLY *DECERNING* THE SCRIPTURES.

wakeup.

The Messiah was also a prophet according to JESUS

Also what do you mean his words cannot be contradicted?

John 12:27
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Boditharta.

That is proof that jesus is truly man.

Jesus is all. Messiah;Prophet;Mediator;The Lamb of God.
The only lamb of God; King of kings and Lord of Lords.

I am sure Mohamad can not measure up to those.

wakeup.

June 30, 2013 at 8:13 pm#349394

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,23:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,23:28)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,21:15)

Boditharta.

THIS IS THE REASON ISHMAIL WAS SEND AWAY.
GOD WAS ONLY DEALING WITH ISAAC;HIS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM.

QUOTE:
Jesus was after John an he was a Prophet anPaul mentions prophets in th church of God:UNQUOTE:

JESUS IS THE MESSIAH,AND YOU CAN DENY IT IF YOU WANT. BUT YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THAT.

JESUS CAN NOT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORDS.
THESE LAST DAYS SO CALLED PROPHETS ARE THEM THAT CAN INTERPRET PROPHESIES,ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN IN PRINT;OF WHICH THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THEM TODAY.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, ITS TRUE,BUT WITH CORRECTLY *DECERNING* THE SCRIPTURES.

wakeup.

The Messiah was also a prophet according to JESUS

Also what do you mean his words cannot be contradicted?

John 12:27
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Mark 14:36
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Boditharta.

That is proof that jesus is truly man.

Jesus is all. Messiah;Prophet;Mediator;The Lamb of God.
The only lamb of God; King of kings and Lord of Lords.

I am sure Mohamad can not measure up to those.

wakeup.

We were talking about contradictory statements in the scripture, of course Jesus was a man.

Yes, Jesus is all those titles they are all not unique to him:

Ezra 7:12
Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time

Daniel 2:36-37

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

Once again it is important for you to compare and that makes no sense:

Luke 22:24-26

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

John 15:14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

I hope you ar starting to understand

Matthew 17:2-4

New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white. 3 Suddenly there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 Then Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if you wish, I[a] will make three dwellings here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”

Notice the verse is not making distinction upon them, it mentions them equally, they are not bowing to Jesus they are talking to Jesus

I hope you stop the comparing

John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

July 1, 2013 at 8:47 am#349505

Wakeup

Participant

Boditharta.

QUOTE:
We were talking about contradictory statements in the scripture, of course Jesus was a man.
Yes, Jesus is all those titles they are all not unique to him:UNQUOTE:
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NOT ACCORDING TO MANY CHRISTIANS; TO THEM HE IS GOD.
THIS IS BECAUSE THEY DONT KNOW THE SON AND THE FATHER.
THE TRUTH IS ,HE IS THE SON OF GOD.THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
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QUOTE:
Ezra 7:12
Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time.UNQUOTE:
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THAT WAS ARTAXERXES LETTER *TO EZRA*.HE SEES HIMSELF AS KING OF KINGS.
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QUOTE:
Daniel 2:36-37
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)UNQUOTE:
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DANIEL ADDRESSED NEBUCHADNEZZAR AS KINGS OF KINGS
BECAUSE HE WAS KING OF A WORLD EMPIRE AT THAT TIME.
BUT HE ALSO SAID THAT IT WAS GIVEN TO HIM BY GOD.
JESUS ALSO WILL BE KING OF KINGS OF HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH,
BECAUSE HE WILL HAVE MANY SAINT KINGS UNDER HIM.
BUT WE CAN NOT COMPARE THE TWO.
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NEBUCHADNEZZAR IS NO MORE;BUT JESUS, KING OF KINGS WILL BE FOREVER.
****
QUOTE:
36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. 37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
Once again it is important for you to compare and that makes no sense:UNQUOTE:
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SAME AS ABOVE.
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QUOTE:
Luke 22:24-26
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.UNQUOTE:
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THERE WILL BE CHIEFS IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD; BUT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS SUPERIOR.
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QUOTE:
John 15:14
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
I hope you ar starting to understand.UNQUOTE:
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JESUS WAS SPEAKING TO HIS APOSTLES.
HE SAID: YE ARE NO SERVANT;BECAUSE A MASTER WILL NOT TELL HIS SERVANT WHAT HIS PLAN IS;BUT I AM TELLING YOU ALL THINGS. SO YOU ARE MY FRIENDS.
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QUOTE:
Matthew 17:2-4
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white. 3 Suddenly there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 Then Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if you wish, I[a] will make three dwellings here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.”
Notice the verse is not making distinction upon them, it mentions them equally, they are not bowing to Jesus they are talking to Jesus
I hope you stop the comparing.UNQUOTE:
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HOW DO YOU KNOW, HOW MOSES AND ELIJAH ADDRESSED JESUS?
IT WAS NOT WRITTEN.HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT? IT WAS NOT WRITTEN.
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QUOTE:
John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.UNQUOTE:
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NO MAN SHOULD JUDGE ANOTHER BY HIS OWN JUDGEMENT;BUT LET THE WORD OF TRUTH JUDGE HIM.
THE WORD OF GOD JUDGES, IF THE DOCTRINE IS TRUE OR FALSE.
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wakeup.

July 2, 2013 at 12:19 am#349562

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,19:47)

Boditharta.

We seem to be in agreement on the above statements.

We are wording a lot of things differently but basically

You believe that Jesus is a Unique One of a kind creation.
I believe that Jesus is a Unique one of a kind creation

You use the word begotten meaning SON
I use the term Be-gotten Meaning created Spirit

You say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh

July 2, 2013 at 12:30 am#349568

Ed J

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:19)

You(Wakeup) say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.

Hi BD,

I agree with you in this BD!

Ed J

July 2, 2013 at 12:49 am#349581

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:19)

You(Wakeup) say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.

Hi BD,

I agree with you in this BD!

Ed J

Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?

July 2, 2013 at 1:25 am#349589

Ed J

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:19)

You(Wakeup) say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.

Hi BD,

I agree with you in this BD!

Ed J

Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?

You bet!

“Jesus is Lord”
“Jesus” is “Messiah”

Lord means: owner – Jesus is owner
Messiah means: God's appointed Leader

Jesus, God's ONLY begotten, paid our sin debt. And
because of this, he is able to resurrect us on the last day.

Ed J

July 2, 2013 at 1:34 am#349594

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,12:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:19)

You(Wakeup) say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.

Hi BD,

I agree with you in this BD!

Ed J

Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?

You bet!

“Jesus is Lord”
“Jesus” is “Messiah”

Lord means: owner – Jesus is owner
Messiah means: God's appointed Leader

Jesus, God's ONLY begotten, paid our sin debt. And
because of this, he is able to resurrect us on the last day.

Ed J

So you don't mind that his name is “Ya-shu-ah”?

Then why mind if h is called “Isa”?

or perhaps Eashoa in Aramaic(his spoken language)

July 2, 2013 at 1:39 am#349598

Ed J

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,12:34)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,12:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:19)

You(Wakeup) say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.

Hi BD,

I agree with you in this BD!

Ed J

Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?

You bet!

“Jesus is Lord”
“Jesus” is “Messiah”

Lord means: owner – Jesus is owner
Messiah means: God's appointed Leader

Jesus, God's ONLY begotten, paid our sin debt. And
because of this, he is able to resurrect us on the last day.

Ed J

So you don't mind that his name is “Ya-shu-ah”?

Then why mind if h is called “Isa”?

or perhaps Eashoa in Aramaic(his spoken language)

Hi BD,

I never said I minded if you call him “Isa”.
That's why I abbreviate Isaiah to “Isa”.

July 2, 2013 at 2:01 am#349600

Wakeup

Participant

Boditharta.

QUOTE:
We seem to be in agreement on the above statements.
We are wording a lot of things differently but basically
You believe that Jesus is a Unique One of a kind creation.
I believe that Jesus is a Unique one of a kind creation
You use the word begotten meaning SON
I use the term Be-gotten Meaning created Spirit
You say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made fleshuNQUOTE.
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YOU AND I BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.
BUT YOU DONT BELIEVE, THAT HE IS THE ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN.AND YOU ALSO DONT BELIEVE THAT HE IS THE *ONE DOOR TO GOD*

YOU BELIEVE THAT ANYONE CAN COME STRAIGHT TO GOD;
BY SIMPLY *IGNORING8 THE MIDDLE MAN;THE ANOINTED.

IF YOU BELIEVE IN A PERSON; BECAUSE HIS *WORD* IS ALWAYS TRUE. DOES IT MEAN JUST ONE OF HIS WORD; OR ALL; WHATEVER HE SAYS IS TRUE.

QUOTE:
I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man” UNQUOTE:

I MYSELF CAN DO NOTHING.JESUS OWN WORDS.
THAT WAS NOT GOD SPEAKING

JOHN 12:48. HE THAT REJECTED ME,AND RECEIVE NOT MY WORDS, HATH ONE THAT JUDGED HIM: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN;THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY.(THIS IS GOD SPEAKING).

THE WORDS THAT JESUS HAS SPOKEN ARE WRITTEN IN INK ON PAPER;BUT THE POWER IS STILL THERE.

ANYONE REJECTING THE WRITTEN WORDS WILL BE JUDGED AT THE LAST DAY.(THE SECOND COMING).

QUOTE:
I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.UNQUOTE:

NO PERSON HAVE JUST ONE WORD.ONLY A NEW BORN BABY CAN UTTER ONLY ONE WORD.
THE WORD OF A PERSON ARE MANY WORDS.
JESUS DID NOT JUST UTTER ONE WORD,BUT MANY;
THEREFORE HE IS THE WORD OF GOD.(ALL OF THE WORD OF GOD).AND THAT; WAS MADE FLESH.

A KING CAN SEND HIS WORD OVERSEAS TO SOME OTHER COUNTRY, THROUGH HIS MINISTER. NOT JUST ONE WORD;
BUT MANY;A WHOLE CONVERSATION./DISCUSSION.

wakeup.

July 2, 2013 at 2:17 am#349604

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,12:39)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,12:34)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,12:25)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:49)

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2013,11:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 02 2013,11:19)

You(Wakeup) say Jesus is the Word of God made flesh
I say Jesus is a Word from God made flesh

I's funny you yourself say “the word of God judges” even though you know Jesus say “I judge no man”

I agree with you an this shows how The Word of God is distinct from Jesus who is a Word from God made Flesh.

Hi BD,

I agree with you in this BD!

Ed J

Ecellent! Then you love Jesus then?

You bet!

“Jesus is Lord”
“Jesus” is “Messiah”

Lord means: owner – Jesus is owner
Messiah means: God's appointed Leader

Jesus, God's ONLY begotten, paid our sin debt. And
because of this, he is able to resurrect us on the last day.

Ed J

So you don't mind that his name is “Ya-shu-ah”?

Then why mind if h is called “Isa”?

or perhaps Eashoa in Aramaic(his spoken language)

Hi BD,

I never said I minded if you call him “Isa”.
That's why I abbreviate Isaiah to “Isa”.

Quote

Hi BD,

God's ONLY begotten Son is named “YA-shu-a”, not Jesus, nor Isa.

Ed J

I'm glad your eyes are starting to open up

July 2, 2013 at 2:18 am#349605

bodhitharta

Participant

Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,13:01)