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Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
EDJ.Those words are in RED.
Jesus speaking.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,20:06) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
EDJ.Those words are in RED.
Jesus speaking.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The red ink was added by the printer.
Please respond to my last post (at the bottom of page 12)Ed
Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
“But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you…
…And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom ↑ the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (2 Peter 2:1…2)
I ask you Wakeup, does BD call the bible's Gospel 'evil' or no?
EDJ.I dont think that he calls the bible evil.
Because he accept the scriptures.
Its only that the qur'an is in the way;teaching him
contra scriptures,and he seems to believe in the contradictions,more than what the bible says.He also believes that the qur'an is the last book written by God for us. Not being able to decern the difference in spirit.
The qur'an sounds good,but the spirit is anti Christ.He believes that Jesus is the Messiah;but dont accept him as the Messiah,but just another prophet.
This alone is a contradiction.Many religions speaks greatly about Jesus,but not as what he really is; therefore preaching another Jesus,to deceive
with skill.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,20:42) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
“But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you…
…And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom ↑ the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (2 Peter 2:1…2)
I ask you Wakeup, does BD call the bible's Gospel 'evil' or no?
EDJ.I dont think that he calls the bible evil.
Because he accept the scriptures.
Its only that the qur'an is in the way;teaching him
contra scriptures,and he seems to believe in the contradictions,more than what the bible says.He also believes that the qur'an is the last book written by God for us. Not being able to decern the difference in spirit.
The qur'an sounds good,but the spirit is anti Christ.He believes that Jesus is the Messiah;but dont accept him as the Messiah,but just another prophet.
This alone is a contradiction.Many religions speaks greatly about Jesus,but not as what he really is; therefore preaching another Jesus,to deceive
with skill.wakeup.
The bible's “GOSPEL”, not the bible.Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,21:12) Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,20:42) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
“But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you…
…And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom ↑ the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (2 Peter 2:1…2)
I ask you Wakeup, does BD call the bible's Gospel 'evil' or no?
EDJ.I dont think that he calls the bible evil.
Because he accept the scriptures.
Its only that the qur'an is in the way;teaching him
contra scriptures,and he seems to believe in the contradictions,more than what the bible says.He also believes that the qur'an is the last book written by God for us. Not being able to decern the difference in spirit.
The qur'an sounds good,but the spirit is anti Christ.He believes that Jesus is the Messiah;but dont accept him as the Messiah,but just another prophet.
This alone is a contradiction.Many religions speaks greatly about Jesus,but not as what he really is; therefore preaching another Jesus,to deceive
with skill.wakeup.
The bible's “GOSPEL”, not the bible.
EDJ.Are you being smart?
Where can you find the gospels;but in the bible?
I mean the Holy bible.
There is only one Holy book.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,00:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,21:12) Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,20:42) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
“But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you…
…And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom ↑ the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (2 Peter 2:1…2)
I ask you Wakeup, does BD call the bible's Gospel 'evil' or no?
EDJ.I dont think that he calls the bible evil.
Because he accept the scriptures.
Its only that the qur'an is in the way;teaching him
contra scriptures,and he seems to believe in the contradictions,more than what the bible says.He also believes that the qur'an is the last book written by God for us. Not being able to decern the difference in spirit.
The qur'an sounds good,but the spirit is anti Christ.He believes that Jesus is the Messiah;but dont accept him as the Messiah,but just another prophet.
This alone is a contradiction.Many religions speaks greatly about Jesus,but not as what he really is; therefore preaching another Jesus,to deceive
with skill.wakeup.
The bible's “GOSPEL”, not the bible.
EDJ.Are you being smart?
Where can you find the gospels;but in the bible?
I mean the Holy bible.
There is only one Holy book.wakeup.
So is that a “No” then …or a “Yes'?Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,00:16) Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,00:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,21:12) Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,20:42) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,20:04) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
“But there were FALSE PROPHETS also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you…
…And many shall follow their pernicious ways;
by reason of whom ↑ the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (2 Peter 2:1…2)
I ask you Wakeup, does BD call the bible's Gospel 'evil' or no?
EDJ.I dont think that he calls the bible evil.
Because he accept the scriptures.
Its only that the qur'an is in the way;teaching him
contra scriptures,and he seems to believe in the contradictions,more than what the bible says.He also believes that the qur'an is the last book written by God for us. Not being able to decern the difference in spirit.
The qur'an sounds good,but the spirit is anti Christ.He believes that Jesus is the Messiah;but dont accept him as the Messiah,but just another prophet.
This alone is a contradiction.Many religions speaks greatly about Jesus,but not as what he really is; therefore preaching another Jesus,to deceive
with skill.wakeup.
The bible's “GOSPEL”, not the bible.
EDJ.Are you being smart?
Where can you find the gospels;but in the bible?
I mean the Holy bible.
There is only one Holy book.wakeup.
So is that a “No” then …or a “Yes'?
EDJ.No:
The bible contains more than just the four gospels.
Yes or no?wakeup.
“Gospel” means Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection; NOT Matt, Mark, Luke, and John.
Do you still say “NO” – now that you finally understand my question?
Quote (Ed J @ June 29 2013,03:54) “Gospel” means Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection; NOT Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. Do you still say “NO” – now that you finally understand my question?
EDJ.Was it a no then?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,19:08) Quote
Boditharta.Baptism is just symbolic; One goes in the water dirty,and comes out clean. But can always wallow in the mud again.
So, Jesus was symbolicaly dirty in your opinion?
Quote QUESTIONS:
1. Do muslems have babtism?No, We believe in Repentance for the Remission of sin
By The grace of GodQuote 2. Muslems believe that Jesus is the Messiah;why dont they pray through jesus? Read the prayer Jesus taught US to pray:
Matthew 6:9-13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Where do you see “In the name of Jesus”?
This is the first Chapter of the Quran:
Surah 1 (The Opening)
1 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4 Master of the Day of Judgment.
5 Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6 Show us the straight way,
7 The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Quote 3. Why instead mention the prophet mohamad only? Where do you see “In then name of Muhammad”?
**** ****Quote Christians dont mention *any of the prophets*, or apostles in their prayers; but pray *to God in Jesus name*.
Therefore recognising Gods Son also,of whom God has made him our mediator.John 16:26-27
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
The father loves you Himself Jesus is saying he doesn't need to ask the Father for you at that point why would you need a mediator? Are you not reconciled with God?
Quote Therefore hearing Gods words when he says;**NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME**;**I AM THE WAY** But you haven't went to the Father by Jesus, you are still going to Jesus so he can go to the Father for you, remember?
You don't believe that God will love you directly wth nothing between you and God, Muslims do
[Quote]YES; WHAT EVER JESUS SPEAKS;IS GOD SPEAKING THROUGH HIM; AND WE MUST LEARN TO LISTEN TO HIM.
NOT ONE JOT OF THE SCRIPTURES CAN BE *BROKEN BY MAN*[Quote]So when Jesus says “Take this cup from me, that was God speaking through him?
Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
That is very untrue. The problem is I understand a larger context than you.What I mean is I understand the statement to apply in a present context and you apply it as an eternal context
But then you will see my point clearly with a statemet such as
Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.You would never argue those verses as being permanent would you? But still the are the words of Jesus according to the scriptures.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
That is very untrue. The problem is I understand a larger context than you.What I mean is I understand the statement to apply in a present context and you apply it as an eternal context
But then you will see my point clearly with a statemet such as
Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.You would never argue those verses as being permanent would you? But still the are the words of Jesus according to the scriptures.
Boditharta.1.The prophets,are only for israel.
2.Jesus came to feed his people israel.
3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 28 2013,20:42) Quote
EDJ.I dont think that he calls the bible evil.
Because he accept the scriptures.
Its only that the qur'an is in the way;teaching him
contra scriptures,and he seems to believe in the contradictions,more than what the bible says.A revelation may seem like a contradiction but it really isn't
When Christ Jesus was revealed they found him to be inconsistent with what they thought the Messiah was
John 7:52
They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophetSo rejecting Jesus they thought it righteous
John 18:14
Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the peopleNow don't you agree with the high priest?
Quote He also believes that the qur'an is the last book written by God for us. Not being able to decern the difference in spirit.
The qur'an sounds good,but the spirit is anti Christ.John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 and he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3 and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 10:8-11
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, []Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.[/B] 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings
Quote
He believes that Jesus is the Messiah;but dont accept him as the Messiah,but just another prophet.
This alone is a contradiction.He is Prophet and Christ sent to Israel
Quote Many religions speaks greatly about Jesus,but not as what he really is; therefore preaching another Jesus,to deceive
with skill.Where am I saying Jesus is not Christ? He als referred to himself as a prophet. Theonly difference isyou beliee he was crucified and so did I until it was revealed:
Surah 4
157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,12:19) Quote Boditharta.
1.The prophets,are only for israel.
Noah was a Prophet but certainly was not a Jew and neither was Abraham.
Surah 2
140 Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
Surah 3
65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?
66 Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not!
67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
68 Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
Quote 2.Jesus came to feed his people israel. Agreed
Quote 3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.Yet, you cannot believe God had Muhammad in mind?
Surah 3
187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
Comelet me share with you great things!Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,12:19)
Comelet me share with you great things!Quote Boditharta.
1.The prophets,are only for israel.
Noah was a Prophet but certainly was not a Jew and neither was Abraham.
Surah 2
140 Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
Surah 3
65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?
66 Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not!
67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.
68 Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.
Quote 2.Jesus came to feed his people israel. Agreed
Quote 3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.Yet, you cannot believe God had Muhammad in mind?
Surah 3
187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!
Ok Boditharta.
QUOTE:
Noah was a Prophet but certainly was not a Jew and neither was Abraham.UNQUOTE:ABRAHAM WAS THE SON OF NOAH,AND ABRAHAMS 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL ARE ALL HEBREWS;UNTILL GOD GAVE THEM A NEW NAME; *ISRAEL*.
QUOTE:
Surah 2
140 Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!UNQUOTE.THEY WERE HEBREWS, UNTILL GOD CALLED THEM ISRAEL,AND THE NAME CHISTIAN WAS NOT AT THE BEGINNING. BUT THEY WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH. CHRISTIANS/FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.
MOHAMADENS/FOLLOWERS OF MOHAMAD.
ONE CAN ONLY FOLLOW ONE OF THEM.QUOTE:
Surah 3
65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?UNQUOTE:THE LAW WAS INDEED NOT WRITTEN DOWN BEFORE MOSES. BUT ABRAHAM KNEW WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS EVIL; AND HE WAS GOD FEARING.THEREFORE GOD CHOSE HIM.
NO MAN CAN BE INNOCENT OF THE LAWS OF GOD,BECAUSE GOD GAVE THEM A CONSCIENCE,KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL.THE LAW IS SIMPLE *DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU DO TO YOURSELF.QUOTE:
66 Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not! UNQUOTE:ONE CAN NOT DISPUTE ABOUT KNOWLEDGE IF ONE DOES NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE;BUT HE CAN ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE
BY SEEKING.QUOTE:
67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah. uNQUOTE:ABRAHAM WAS A HEBREW,BUT GOD CALLED HIS CHILDREN JEWS(ISRAEL),SO WE CAN SEE ABRAHAM AS A JEWS.
THEY ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE.QUOTE:
68 Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.UNQUOTE:I DONT RECALL ABRAHAM TEACHING ANYBODY,AND THAT HE HAD ANY FOLLOWERS.
Quote
2.Jesus came to feed his people israel.Agreed
Quote
3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.QUOTE:
Yet, you cannot believe God had Muhammad in mind?UNQUOTE:I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS SEND MORE PROPHETS
AFTER JOHN THE BABTIST. FOR HE SAID ; *AND THE PROPHETS ARE UNTILL JOHN*. NOW WE HAVE SHEPHERDS AND APOSTLES.THE PROPHETS WERE THEN FOR ISRAEL,BUT SINCE THEY HAVE REJECTED HIM; NOW GOD IS IN TOUCH WITH THE GENTILES;THROUGH APOSTLES, AND SHEPHERDS. NO MORE PROPHETS.
QUOTE:
Surah 3187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! UNQUOTE:
1. THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE OBVIOUSLY THE JEWS.
BUT THEY DID NOT THROW IT AWAY, BUT THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE BOOK.LETS FACE IT; THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN WILL NEVER AGREE,FOR THEY ARE OF DIFFERENT SPIRITS.
TWO DIFFERENT BLOOD TYPES DONT MIX.
MUSLEMS WILL NEVER CARRY THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN TO THE MOSQUE.TRUE OR FALSE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OF THE SAME SPIRIT.
AND SO ARE THEIR PROPHETS;NOT THE SAME.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 26 2013,20:14) [/quote] Wakeup,June wrote:Quote WHAT HAPPENED TO JESUS CHRIST'S BODY? WASN'T IT DESTROYED COMPLETELY?UNQUOTE:
——————————————————————
NO; HIS BODY WAS NOT DESTROYED,AND NEITHER HIS CLOTHES. THE FLESH WAS TRANSFORMED INTO SPIRIT.(Wakeup,
With every respect I AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION!
I QUOTED SCRIPTURES!
I COMMENTED ON THEM!
YOU ONLY DO THE SAME AND CONTRADICT ME USING SCRIPTURES IF YOU WON'T DO THAT, I CONSIDER THAT MY COMMENTS STAND! NO MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION BE!
NOW READ SCRIPTURES:
John2:1919Jesus answered, and said to them:
DESTROY
this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.21But he spoke of the temple of his body.
NOW IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU!
HE SAID DESTROY THIS TEMPLE, WHICH WAS A RFERENCE TO WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HIM
I know also that there are different kinds of destructions, BUT THAT IS ANOTHER ARGUMENT
NOW FIND SCRIPTURES WHICH SAYS THAT JESUS' BODY WAS NOT DESTROYED!
NOT YOUR OPINION
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,01:52) Ok Boditharta. QUOTE:
Noah was a Prophet but certainly was not a Jew and neither was Abraham.UNQUOTE:ABRAHAM WAS THE SON OF NOAH,AND ABRAHAMS 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL ARE ALL HEBREWS;UNTILL GOD GAVE THEM A NEW NAME; *ISRAEL*.
QUOTE:
Surah 2
140 Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!UNQUOTE.THEY WERE HEBREWS, UNTILL GOD CALLED THEM ISRAEL,AND THE NAME CHISTIAN WAS NOT AT THE BEGINNING. BUT THEY WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH. CHRISTIANS/FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST.
MOHAMADENS/FOLLOWERS OF MOHAMAD.
ONE CAN ONLY FOLLOW ONE OF THEM.QUOTE:
Surah 3
65 Ye People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel Were not revealed Till after him? Have ye no understanding?UNQUOTE:THE LAW WAS INDEED NOT WRITTEN DOWN BEFORE MOSES. BUT ABRAHAM KNEW WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS EVIL; AND HE WAS GOD FEARING.THEREFORE GOD CHOSE HIM.
NO MAN CAN BE INNOCENT OF THE LAWS OF GOD,BECAUSE GOD GAVE THEM A CONSCIENCE,KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL.THE LAW IS SIMPLE *DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU DO TO YOURSELF.
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66 Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (Even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! but why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and ye who know not! UNQUOTE:ONE CAN NOT DISPUTE ABOUT KNOWLEDGE IF ONE DOES NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE;BUT HE CAN ACQUIRE KNOWLEDGE
BY SEEKING.QUOTE:
67 Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah. uNQUOTE:ABRAHAM WAS A HEBREW,BUT GOD CALLED HIS CHILDREN JEWS(ISRAEL),SO WE CAN SEE ABRAHAM AS A JEWS.
THEY ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE.QUOTE:
68 Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him, as are also this Prophet and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have faith.UNQUOTE:I DONT RECALL ABRAHAM TEACHING ANYBODY,AND THAT HE HAD ANY FOLLOWERS.
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2.Jesus came to feed his people israel.Agreed
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3.The apostles are not to go to the gentiles,
because God has Paul in mind.
Paul later was send to the gentiles, because he was learned, and he spoke more than on language.QUOTE:
Yet, you cannot believe God had Muhammad in mind?UNQUOTE:I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT GOD HAS SEND MORE PROPHETS
AFTER JOHN THE BABTIST. FOR HE SAID ; *AND THE PROPHETS ARE UNTILL JOHN*. NOW WE HAVE SHEPHERDS AND APOSTLES.THE PROPHETS WERE THEN FOR ISRAEL,BUT SINCE THEY HAVE REJECTED HIM; NOW GOD IS IN TOUCH WITH THE GENTILES;THROUGH APOSTLES, AND SHEPHERDS. NO MORE PROPHETS.
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Surah 3187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! UNQUOTE:
1. THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK ARE OBVIOUSLY THE JEWS.
BUT THEY DID NOT THROW IT AWAY, BUT THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE BOOK.LETS FACE IT; THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN WILL NEVER AGREE,FOR THEY ARE OF DIFFERENT SPIRITS.
TWO DIFFERENT BLOOD TYPES DONT MIX.
MUSLEMS WILL NEVER CARRY THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN TO THE MOSQUE.TRUE OR FALSE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OF THE SAME SPIRIT.
AND SO ARE THEIR PROPHETS;NOT THE SAME.wakeup.
You really do not understand do you? Noah was not the Father of Abraham. The Father of Abraham was Terah:
Also Abraham did not have twelve tribes come from him they came through Jacob:Genesis 32:28
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”Genesis 11:26
After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.The Father of Abraham was a Polytheist and worshipped Idols.
Remember Noah had 3 sons and none were hebrew an he was a prophet for the entire world, aftr the flood God gave the message to Noah which was for all mankind not to Hebrews or Jews. You simply do not understand the facts.
So once again all the prophets were not Jews nor were they Christians so the Prophets were sent throughout time to whom God pleased. This was also the case with Muhammad who being Arab was a descendent of Abraham i.e. Isaac and Ishmael were the seeds of Abraham.
In Islam there is no such thing as Mohamedans there areonly Muslims which mean “Submitter” which is what Abraham did “Submitted” himself to God, which is also what Jesus Christ did “submitted” himself to God.
ALL MEN ARE OF THE SAME BLOODLINE because ALL men came from ADAM every single human
Luke 3
…the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2013,11:54) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,19:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2013,18:49) If no one can com to God except through Jesus why did Jesus say:
BD, Wakeup did not say that, the Apostle John (who recorded Jesus own words) said it.Hi Wakeup,
Whenever there is something in the bible that BD disagrees with,
he just ignores it – pretending it isn't there. Only what is written
in the 'book of fraud' is what he considers truth, not the bible.“no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
Your brother
in Christ,
Ed J
That is very untrue. The problem is I understand a larger context than you.What I mean is I understand the statement to apply in a present context and you apply it as an eternal context
But then you will see my point clearly with a statemet such as
Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.You would never argue those verses as being permanent would you? But still the are the words of Jesus according to the scriptures.
Hi BD,See you don't believe the bible's “Gospel” message, and you also speak evil of it.
The bible's Gospel is: the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord.This is what you do not believe, right?
Ed
Quote =Wakeup,June 26 2013,20:14 Quote THERE IS NO RESURRECTION EVERYTIME SOMEONE DIES. Wakeup,
YES DEFINITELY
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE SOUL,WHILE ON EARTH, IS ALWAYS DEAD SPIRITUALLY! AND IT IS BURIED IN THE BLOOD TILL THE FLESH AND BLOOD DIES! THEN THE SOUL RETURN TO GOD WHO GAVE IT!
That is the first resurrection OF THE SOUL! WHEN EVERY PERSON DIES!
SCRIPTURE IS A SPIRITUAL TEACHING! SOMETHING THAT WE AS CARNAL ARE POOR OF
Ecclesiastes :7And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.
Dust is matter, EARTHLY, NOT OF GOD! therefore blood! THE PRESENCE OF SATAN AS SOON AS ADAM, IN SPIRITUAL FLESH, WITHOUT BLOOD, SINNED!
GOD GAVE THE BLOOD TO ADAM BOTH AS JUSTICE, AND ALSO AS GRACE! IT HAD TO BE! ADAM WAS VERY GOOD WHEN HE WAS CREATED, BUT THAN HE HAD TO HAVE SOMETHING TO REPRESENT THE EVIL HE WAS IN! THEREFORE GOOD AND EVIL! THE SOUL IN THE BLOOD RESPECTIVELY!
NOW READ:
Leviticus 17: Because (NOW) the LIFE of the FLESH is in the BLOOD:
(NOT IN THE SOUL,THE BRIDE) SINCE SHE SINNED! AND BROUGHT DEATH TO HERSELF AUTOMATICALLY!
SO THE SOUL COMPLETELY STRANGELED,SUNKEN DEAD IN THE BLOOD, SATAN’S ELEMENT
and I have given it to you, THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THE BLOOD, WHICH WAS NEVER IN ADAM SINCE HE WAS HOLY, BUT AS SOON AS HE SINNED, HE HAD TO HAVE THE BLOOD!
CAN YOU DISCERN WHY?
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
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