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  • #353016
    bodhitharta
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    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,18:31)
    The god of the quran is a liar and we all know that the father of lies is satan the devil.


    The God i.e. ALLAH is your God and My God, you are not wise with your words.

    But never came a messenger to them but they mocked him.

    ( سورة الحجر , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #11)

    And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides allah, lest they insult allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.

    ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #108)

    This is why you never hear me insulting God as you do so much out of ignorance. In the end you will know that which you Mocked was the same God that you claimed to have loved

    #353021
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 02 2013,05:49)


    This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith – his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.

    #353022
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,07:59)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,18:31)
    The god of the quran is a liar and we all know that the father of lies is satan the devil.


    The God i.e. ALLAH is your God and My God, you are not wise with your words.

    But never came a messenger to them but they mocked him.

    (  سورة الحجر  , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #11)

    And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides allah, lest they insult allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.

    (  سورة الأنعام  , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #108)

    This is why you never hear me insulting God as you do so much out of ignorance. In the end you will know that which you Mocked was the same God that you claimed to have loved


    Satan's words do not scare me BD.

    #353023
    Ed J
    Participant

    islam, you believe, is going to take over the world; right?

    #353036
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,10:24)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,07:59)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,18:31)
    The god of the quran is a liar and we all know that the father of lies is satan the devil.


    The God i.e. ALLAH is your God and My God, you are not wise with your words.

    But never came a messenger to them but they mocked him.

    (  سورة الحجر  , Al-Hijr, Chapter #15, Verse #11)

    And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides allah, lest they insult allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.

    (  سورة الأنعام  , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #108)

    This is why you never hear me insulting God as you do so much out of ignorance. In the end you will know that which you Mocked was the same God that you claimed to have loved


    Satan's words do not scare me BD.


    Satan is not the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jesus. See how you Mock God day and night?

    #353037
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 02 2013,05:49)


    Quote

    BD,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :

    ABRAHAM SYMBOLICALLY GOD THE FATHER, HOLY ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT SPIRIT
    SARAH SYMBOLICALLY VIRGIN MARY, SPIRITUAL MOTHER
    ISAAC SYMBOLICALLY CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
    HAGAR SYMBOLICALLY EVE, EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,
    ISHMAEL SYMBOLICALLY SATAN, EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESH

    That would mean according to your logic tree

    That (Abraham) God the Father had sex with (Hagar)Eve and created (Ishmael) Satan

    Which would also mean Satan was created before Jesus and is the firstborn of God.

    Then afterwards (Abraham)God the Father had sex with (Sarah)Virgin Mary and created Jesus

    Are you really noticing what you are writing?

    You also said that the Jews(Lucifer Spirit) and Muslims(Satans) which would make Muslims “Jews” although you also said The Christians are Jesus' souls because the believe Jesus is the Messiah and since Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah as well you would be calling (Muslims)Satans who are Christians(Jesus' souls)

    You still want to stick by your Logic tree?

    Also Muslims do not have a symbol such as the cresent and star you must have not studied that correctly it is forbidden in Islam to use symbols to represent Islam

    #353072
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,12:48)

    carmel,Aug. wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote

    BD,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :

    ABRAHAM  SYMBOLICALLY     GOD THE FATHER, HOLY  ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT  SPIRIT
    SARAH SYMBOLICALLY     VIRGIN MARY,   SPIRITUAL MOTHER
    ISAAC  SYMBOLICALLY     CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
    HAGAR    SYMBOLICALLY  EVE,  EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,  
    ISHMAEL  SYMBOLICALLY   SATAN,  EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESH

    That would mean according to your logic tree

    That (Abraham) God the Father had sex with (Hagar)Eve and created (Ishmael) Satan

    Which would also mean Satan was created before Jesus and is the firstborn of God.

    Then afterwards (Abraham)God the Father had sex with (Sarah)Virgin Mary and created Jesus

    Are you really noticing what you are writing?

    You also said that the Jews(Lucifer Spirit) and Muslims(Satans) which would make Muslims “Jews” although you also said The Christians are Jesus' souls because the believe Jesus is the Messiah and since Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah as well you would be calling (Muslims)Satans who are Christians(Jesus' souls)

    You still want to stick by your Logic tree?

    Also Muslims do not have a symbol such as the cresent and star you must have not studied that correctly it is forbidden in Islam to use symbols to represent Islam


    Boditharta.

    WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK TONE THAT IS KISSED BY MUSLEMS UNTILL ITS WARN OUT?

    wakeup.

    #353073
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,12:37)
    (1)Satan is not the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jesus. (2)See how you Mock God day and night?


    Hi BD,

    1) Correct
    2) No I don't

    Ed

    #353097
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2013,17:28)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,12:48)

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 02 2013,05:49)


    Quote

    BD,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :

    ABRAHAM  SYMBOLICALLY     GOD THE FATHER, HOLY  ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT  SPIRIT
    SARAH SYMBOLICALLY     VIRGIN MARY,   SPIRITUAL MOTHER
    ISAAC  SYMBOLICALLY     CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
    HAGAR    SYMBOLICALLY  EVE,  EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,  
    ISHMAEL  SYMBOLICALLY   SATAN,  EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESH

    That would mean according to your logic tree

    That (Abraham) God the Father had sex with (Hagar)Eve and created (Ishmael) Satan

    Which would also mean Satan was created before Jesus and is the firstborn of God.

    Then afterwards (Abraham)God the Father had sex with (Sarah)Virgin Mary and created Jesus

    Are you really noticing what you are writing?

    You also said that the Jews(Lucifer Spirit) and Muslims(Satans) which would make Muslims “Jews” although you also said The Christians are Jesus' souls because the believe Jesus is the Messiah and since Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah as well you would be calling (Muslims)Satans who are Christians(Jesus' souls)

    You still want to stick by your Logic tree?

    Also Muslims do not have a symbol such as the cresent and star you must have not studied that correctly it is forbidden in Islam to use symbols to represent Islam


    Boditharta.

    WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK TONE THAT IS KISSED BY MUSLEMS UNTILL ITS WARN OUT?

    wakeup.


    The Kaaba is not a symbol it is the place where the firs house of God was made first by Adam and then again by Abraham and Ishmael.

    “Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)”

    Genesis 28:16-18
    16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it.”
    17 He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”
    18 Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.

    “I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)”

    “As they pass through the Valley of BACA, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools” [Psalm 84:6]

    “Verily, the First House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that is BACCA, Full of blessing, and guidance for all people” [Quran, 3:96]

    Bacca is the old name of Mecca….

    #353104
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,06:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2013,17:28)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,12:48)

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 02 2013,05:49)


    Quote

    BD,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :

    ABRAHAM  SYMBOLICALLY     GOD THE FATHER, HOLY  ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT  SPIRIT
    SARAH SYMBOLICALLY     VIRGIN MARY,   SPIRITUAL MOTHER
    ISAAC  SYMBOLICALLY     CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
    HAGAR    SYMBOLICALLY  EVE,  EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,  
    ISHMAEL  SYMBOLICALLY   SATAN,  EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESH

    That would mean according to your logic tree

    That (Abraham) God the Father had sex with (Hagar)Eve and created (Ishmael) Satan

    Which would also mean Satan was created before Jesus and is the firstborn of God.

    Then afterwards (Abraham)God the Father had sex with (Sarah)Virgin Mary and created Jesus

    Are you really noticing what you are writing?

    You also said that the Jews(Lucifer Spirit) and Muslims(Satans) which would make Muslims “Jews” although you also said The Christians are Jesus' souls because the believe Jesus is the Messiah and since Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah as well you would be calling (Muslims)Satans who are Christians(Jesus' souls)

    You still want to stick by your Logic tree?

    Also Muslims do not have a symbol such as the cresent and star you must have not studied that correctly it is forbidden in Islam to use symbols to represent Islam


    Boditharta.

    WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK TONE THAT IS KISSED BY MUSLEMS UNTILL ITS WARN OUT?

    wakeup.


    The Kaaba is not a symbol it is the place where the firs house of God was made first by Adam and then again by Abraham and Ishmael.

    “Behold!  We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying):  'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer).  And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;  (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)”

    Genesis 28:16-18
    16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it.”
    17 He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”
    18 Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.

    “I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)”

    “As they pass through the Valley of BACA, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools” [Psalm 84:6]

    “Verily, the First House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that is BACCA, Full of blessing, and guidance for all people” [Quran, 3:96]

    Bacca is the old name of Mecca….


    Boditharta.

    You said muslems only worsip allah and no idols.
    They **dont do** as they preach,**as always**.
    Kissing a meteorite is not worshipping an idol?
    Just because that stone came from space thats why they do it.

    To justify what they are doing;they are comparing it with the stone where Jacob lay his head on to rest.
    Jacob never kissed that stone year after year.

    But kissing mother mary's idol is wrong.
    This is staring at the splinter in someones eye;but can not see the beam in his own eye.
    Or the pot calling the kettle black.

    wakeup.

    #353105
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,10:23)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,06:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2013,17:28)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,12:48)

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 02 2013,05:49)


    Quote

    BD,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :

    ABRAHAM  SYMBOLICALLY     GOD THE FATHER, HOLY  ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT  SPIRIT
    SARAH SYMBOLICALLY     VIRGIN MARY,   SPIRITUAL MOTHER
    ISAAC  SYMBOLICALLY     CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
    HAGAR    SYMBOLICALLY  EVE,  EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,  
    ISHMAEL  SYMBOLICALLY   SATAN,  EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESH

    That would mean according to your logic tree

    That (Abraham) God the Father had sex with (Hagar)Eve and created (Ishmael) Satan

    Which would also mean Satan was created before Jesus and is the firstborn of God.

    Then afterwards (Abraham)God the Father had sex with (Sarah)Virgin Mary and created Jesus

    Are you really noticing what you are writing?

    You also said that the Jews(Lucifer Spirit) and Muslims(Satans) which would make Muslims “Jews” although you also said The Christians are Jesus' souls because the believe Jesus is the Messiah and since Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah as well you would be calling (Muslims)Satans who are Christians(Jesus' souls)

    You still want to stick by your Logic tree?

    Also Muslims do not have a symbol such as the cresent and star you must have not studied that correctly it is forbidden in Islam to use symbols to represent Islam


    Boditharta.

    WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK TONE THAT IS KISSED BY MUSLEMS UNTILL ITS WARN OUT?

    wakeup.


    The Kaaba is not a symbol it is the place where the firs house of God was made first by Adam and then again by Abraham and Ishmael.

    “Behold!  We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying):  'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer).  And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;  (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)”

    Genesis 28:16-18
    16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it.”
    17 He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”
    18 Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.

    “I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)”

    “As they pass through the Valley of BACA, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools” [Psalm 84:6]

    “Verily, the First House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that is BACCA, Full of blessing, and guidance for all people” [Quran, 3:96]

    Bacca is the old name of Mecca….


    Boditharta.

    You said muslems only worsip allah and no idols.
    They **dont do** as they preach,**as always**.
    Kissing a meteorite is not worshipping an idol?
    Just because that stone came from space thats why they do it.

    To justify what they are doing;they are comparing it with the stone where Jacob lay his head on to rest.
    Jacob never kissed that stone year after year.

    But kissing mother mary's idol is wrong.
    This is staring at the splinter in someones eye;but can not see the beam in his own eye.
    Or the pot calling the kettle black.

    wakeup.


    They are not worshipping the stone just like the Jews are not worshiping the wailing wall in Jerusalem. They don't pray to the stone or in the name of the stone or believ the ston can do anything for them whatsoever. People do pray to Mary and Christians do kiss their cross andwear it around their necks and believe it helps protect them the put crosses in their houses as well. You will not find Muslimswearing little kaabas around their neck or in their home.

    Also many of those people that reach the Kaaba have perhaps only seen it once as in Islam one is suggested to visit it once in their lifetimes if the can afford to an are healthy enough to go, so imagine finally getting to a place you have alway wanted to see, it could be overwhelming.

    Joshua 24:27
    And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the Lord which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your God.

    #353110
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,10:53)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,10:23)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 03 2013,06:13)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2013,17:28)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,12:48)

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 02 2013,05:49)


    Quote

    BD,

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :

    ABRAHAM  SYMBOLICALLY     GOD THE FATHER, HOLY  ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT  SPIRIT
    SARAH SYMBOLICALLY     VIRGIN MARY,   SPIRITUAL MOTHER
    ISAAC  SYMBOLICALLY     CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
    HAGAR    SYMBOLICALLY  EVE,  EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,  
    ISHMAEL  SYMBOLICALLY   SATAN,  EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESH

    That would mean according to your logic tree

    That (Abraham) God the Father had sex with (Hagar)Eve and created (Ishmael) Satan

    Which would also mean Satan was created before Jesus and is the firstborn of God.

    Then afterwards (Abraham)God the Father had sex with (Sarah)Virgin Mary and created Jesus

    Are you really noticing what you are writing?

    You also said that the Jews(Lucifer Spirit) and Muslims(Satans) which would make Muslims “Jews” although you also said The Christians are Jesus' souls because the believe Jesus is the Messiah and since Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah as well you would be calling (Muslims)Satans who are Christians(Jesus' souls)

    You still want to stick by your Logic tree?

    Also Muslims do not have a symbol such as the cresent and star you must have not studied that correctly it is forbidden in Islam to use symbols to represent Islam


    Boditharta.

    WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK TONE THAT IS KISSED BY MUSLEMS UNTILL ITS WARN OUT?

    wakeup.


    The Kaaba is not a symbol it is the place where the firs house of God was made first by Adam and then again by Abraham and Ishmael.

    “Behold!  We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying):  'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer).  And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;  (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)”

    Genesis 28:16-18
    16 When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it.”
    17 He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”
    18 Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it.

    “I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)”

    “As they pass through the Valley of BACA, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools” [Psalm 84:6]

    “Verily, the First House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that is BACCA, Full of blessing, and guidance for all people” [Quran, 3:96]

    Bacca is the old name of Mecca….


    Boditharta.

    You said muslems only worsip allah and no idols.
    They **dont do** as they preach,**as always**.
    Kissing a meteorite is not worshipping an idol?
    Just because that stone came from space thats why they do it.

    To justify what they are doing;they are comparing it with the stone where Jacob lay his head on to rest.
    Jacob never kissed that stone year after year.

    But kissing mother mary's idol is wrong.
    This is staring at the splinter in someones eye;but can not see the beam in his own eye.
    Or the pot calling the kettle black.

    wakeup.


    They are not worshipping the stone just like the Jews are not worshiping the wailing wall in Jerusalem. They don't pray to the stone or in the name of the stone or believ the ston can do anything for them whatsoever. People do pray to Mary and Christians do kiss their cross andwear it around their necks and believe it helps protect them the put crosses in their houses as well. You will not find Muslimswearing little kaabas around their neck or in their home.

    Also many of those people that reach the Kaaba have perhaps only seen it once as in Islam one is suggested to visit it once in their lifetimes if the can afford to an are healthy enough to go, so imagine finally getting to a place you have alway wanted to see, it could be overwhelming.

    Joshua 24:27
    And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the Lord which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, lest ye deny your God.


    Boditharta.

    Thats what the catholics also say,but the muslems still rebukes that. But its fine for them to do so. DO what you preach.

    The wailing wall is a jewish matter,for they also worship
    another god. Same with the so called christians; they say they worsip God,but in practise worship the bread that perisheth. They dont feed on the bread that came down from heaven,that give life forever. Instead worship the bread that babylon can give them. They have accepted satans bribe.

    Muslems also feed on the bread that is of the world.
    They still love the things that the mystery woman of Babylon can provide.

    The proof is when they have abandoned their country of muslems, to enjoy their lives in a country that does not worship allah; a country full of infidels in their believes. Trading their spiritual believes(TREASURE) for material pleasures. And still claiming to be in submission to allah.All dont DO what they preach.Satans bribe they can not refuse.

    All have been taken by the god of this world;but can not see with their spiritual eyes, that they have been duped.
    God is angry,because they have eaten of the wrong fruit.

    wakeup.

    #353113
    carmel
    Participant

    Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    They dont feed on the bread that came down from heaven,that give life forever. Instead worship the bread that babylon can give them. They have accepted satans bribe.

    Wakeup,

    Explain THE  BOLD ONES:

    John 12:31Now is the judgment of the world: now shall the prince of this world

    WOULD BE CAST OUT .

    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw

    ALL THINGS TO MYSELF

    all things to myself. 33(Now this he said, signifying what death he should die.)

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #353116
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 03 2013,17:07)

    Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    They dont feed on the bread that came down from heaven,that give life forever. Instead worship the bread that babylon can give them. They have accepted satans bribe.

    Wakeup,

    Explain THE  BOLD ONES:

    John 12:31Now is the judgment of the world: now shall the prince of this world

    WOULD BE CAST OUT .

    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw

    ALL THINGS TO MYSELF

    all things to myself. 33(Now this he said, signifying what death he should die.)

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    QUOTE:
    Explain THE BOLD ONES:

    John 12:31Now is the judgment of the world: now shall the prince of this world

    1).WOULD BE CAST OUT .

    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw

    2).ALL THINGS TO MYSELF

    all things to myself. 33(Now this he said, signifying what death he should die.)
    UNQUOTE:

    EXPLANATIONS:
    1). JOHN 12:31. JESUS WORDS JUST BEFORE HE IS CRUCIFIED. THAT HAPPENED IN REV.12:5–9.
    WHEN THE CHILD WAS TAKEN UP; HE STARTED CLEANING UP HEAVEN. THERE WS WAR IN HEAVEN,SATAN AND HIS ANGELS CAST OUT.

    2). HIS RESURRECTION WILL DRAW ALL THINGS TO HIMSELF. HIS SAINTS WILL BE HIS,THE KINGDOM WILL BE HIS, AND THE WORLD WILL BE UNDER HIS FEET.

    wakeup.

    #353209
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 03 2013,15:54)


    Quote

    Boditharta.

    Thats what the catholics also say,but the muslems still rebukes that. But its fine for them to do so. DO what you preach.

    The wailing wall is a jewish matter,for they also worship
    another god. Same with the so called christians; they say they worsip God,but in practise worship the bread that perisheth. They dont feed on the bread that came down from heaven,that give life forever. Instead worship the bread that babylon can give them. They have accepted satans bribe.

    Muslems also feed on the bread that is of the world.
    They still love the things that the mystery woman of Babylon can provide.

    The proof is when they have abandoned their country of muslems, to enjoy their lives in a country that does not worship allah; a country full of infidels in their believes. Trading their spiritual believes(TREASURE) for material pleasures. And still claiming to be in submission to allah.All dont DO what they preach.Satans bribe they can not refuse.

    All have been taken by the god of this world;but can not see with their spiritual eyes, that they have been duped.
    God is angry,because they have eaten of the wrong fruit.

    I don't think you understand your salvation is personal no one knows what other people are doing which is why the bible says

    Philippians 2:12
    Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling

    God is not going to ask you about Muslims or other Christians on the day of judgment. God is going to ask you about YOU and what you did or did not do.

    When you sign out I don't have any idea what type of person you are or what types of things interest you I share with you here and hope the best fo you and your life and that you may increase or maintain righteousness.

    I discuss things with you not so I could be right and you be wrong but that we might explore what pleases God and I have simply stated GoD has always been pleased with some since the beginning of time and all did not have the same requirements and likewise Paul was convinced that the Gentiles did not have to live like Jews to accept Christ but many of the disciples said you cannot know God except by way of the Law and God gave Muhammad the Quran you say a person cannot have a direct relationship with God but Jesus Christ had a Direct relationship with God anyou aresupposeto emulate Christ Jesus and that's what Pious Muslims do we BOW DOWN just like Jesus and give God praise Just like Jesus

    God said HE HATED human Sacrifice, We Believe HIM
    God said HE wants MERCY and not sacrifice WE Believe HIM
    GOD said HE hates the shedding of innocent blood WE BELIEVE HIM

    You know what I have been saying the entire Time but you will not face the truth from your own bible:

    Ezekiel 18:20
    The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

    THIS IS PROOF THAT JESUS DID NOT DIE FOR YOUR SINS

    JESUS did tell you to REPENT for the remission of sins.

    No where did Jesus give a blank check for sin this is a lie that the devil wants you to believe deeper than that i that lie has caused more sin than anything else and the reason is this
    If I gave you a blank check in real life would you spend less or more? You would spend more and so would I, but when you know you are responsible for the bill you will watch the balance and take care as much as possible

    #353211
    carmel
    Participant

    Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    .Jesus had to be pure human

    Wakeup,

    I NEVER DENIED THAT JESUS WAS HUMAN!

    BUT IT DOSEN’T MEAN THAT FOR GOD TO BE HUMAN IN FLESH AND BLOOD IN HIS SON, HE LOSES HIS FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTE

    THE SPIRITUAL ELEMENT!

    OR ISN’T IT MORE LIKELY THAT HE MAINTAINED HIS ATTRIBUTES, AND ALL HE DID SIMPLY GRANTED  MARY ALL HIS POWER  TO ACT AS A GATE FOR HIS SON TO COME FORTH WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THAT SHE BECAME HIS MOTHER! THE MOTHER OF A SPIRITUAL BEING SON OF GODIN FLESH AND BLOOD, SON OF MAN ONLY THE MOMENT  HE ENTERRED THE PLANET  OF MEN!

    WHY WOULD THE ANGEL GABRIEL ENUNCIATED WITH SUCH A HIGHLY STRUCTURED PHRASES AS:

    HAIL, FULL OF GRACE  

    BLESSED

    FEAR NOT,

    FOUND GRACE WITH GOD.

    BRING FORTH ( NOT GIVE BIRTH)

    BORN OF YOU ( NOT GIVE BIRTH)

    AND THEN PUT MARY IN ALL THAT KIND OF TERROR ESPECIALLY THOSE DAYS, WHICH EVE DESERVEDLY HAD TO EXPERIENCE DUE TO HER SIN WHICH GAVE BIRTH TO THE FIRST SON OF THE DEVIL CAIN?

    IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THE HOLY SPIRIT  FROM THE FATHER AT ALL IF MARY DIDN’T REALLY EXPERIENCE HIS UNIQUE INTERVENTION WHEN IT WAS MOSTLY NEEDED!

    NOW READ SCRIPTURES:

    Luke 2:7 – And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger;………….

    Most women, after the long, intense rigors of childbirth, are much too tired and weak to actually clothe and tend to the baby in that manner. This is why birth attendants are necessary. Yet the Bible says that Mary did all these things by herself, right after JESUS CAME OUT .

    ALSO:

    SHE CONFIRMED HERSELF WHEN SHE STATED:

    Luke 1:49 Because he that is mighty, HAD DONE GREAT THINGS TO ME; and holy is his name.

    50And his MERCY  is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

    WHAT ARE THE GREAT THINGS, IF THEY ARE NOT COMPLETE

    A GODLY SON, IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME, REQUIRED A GODLY  MOTHER, A GODLY CONCEPTION, GODLY PREGNANCY, AND A GODLY  BIRTH

    EVE HAD THE OPPOSITE ALL SATANIC!  AFTER ALL THE TREE IS OF GOOD AND EVIL!

    TO CONCLUDE READ THIS SCRIPTURE:

    Ezekiel 44:1And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and IT WAS SHUT. 2And the Lord said to me: This gate SHALL BE SHUT , IT SHALL NOT BE OPENED, AND NO MAN SHALL PASS THROUGH IT: it is clear no man shall pass through it, SO JESUS AS NOT YET MAN WHEN HE PASSED THROUGH MARY, ONLY AFTER HE BECAME MAN! CLEAR TO ME!

    because the Lord the God of Israel THE HOLY SPIRIThath entered in by it, AND IT SHALL BE SHUT. FOREVER!

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT SYMBOLICALLY ISA REFERENCE TO MARY’S PARTICULAR WOMB!

    Quote
    He would not have felt the pain and sufferings as a human does. He could have killed all his pain and sufferings.

    THAT'S ONLY YOUR MENTALITY! THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT JESUS REALLY FELT THE PAIN, ONLY FAITH!

    HE STILL COULD HAVE  ELIMINATED PAIN IF HE WANTED!
    BUT INSTEAD HE ENDURED IT SINCE HE HAD GODLY VIRTUES!

    Quote
    I can not find your explanation in scripture.

    NO RATHER YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT I CAN SEE

    Quote
    4.He had 23 of his mothers chromosomes,and one *y*
    of his Fathers.

    WHICH SCRIPTURE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

    I MYSELF BELEIVE IN A GOD THAT NEVER REQUIRED THE ELEMENTS DUE TO SIN ! WHICH ARE:

    SPERM, OVUM, AND ALL RELATED SATANIC  STUFF!

    AS I SAID HE COULD HAVE CAME DOWN FROM THE SKY IN FLESH AND BLOOD AND ALSO PURE HUMAN

    WOULD YOU DENY THIS FROM ALMIGHTY GOD!

    Quote
    Jesus said** that he is the son of man;the son of David.No one can change that with any new doctrines.

    OR RATHER HIS FLESH BODY ONLY WAS?

    SO THE ABOVEIS THE  LINEAGE OF HIS MOTHER NOT HIS!

    WHAT ABOUT THE SON OF GOD? LINEAGE, IS HE FROM DAVID AS WELL?

    HE CAME FORTH AS A SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER

    Matthew 1:18 ………………..she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost

    NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT WITH ANY DOCTRINE!

    I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE STATEMENT!

    Quote
    We; true followers are his brothers.

    ONLY FROM THE SOUL POINT OF VEIW,
    CARNAL POINT OF VEIW WE ARE EARTHLY,SATANIC!

    AGAIN THE TREE IS OF GOOD AND EVIL

    ONLY THE FLESH BECOMES DUST! THEREFORE NOT GODLY! THERFORE JESUS IS NOT OUR BROTHER FROM THE BLOOD!

    HE MADE US HIS BROTHERS AFTER REMOVING SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM OUR SOULS WHICH WAS IN THE BLOOD!

    Quote
    Jesus was born a creature just like us.

    LIKE US YES BUT NOT THE SAME AS US

    POST WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS THESE EXACT WORDS:Jesus was born a creature just like us

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #353216
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,10:26)
    islam, you believe, is going to take over the world; right?


    BD?

    #353217
    carmel
    Participant

    Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    WHEN THE CHILD WAS TAKEN UP; HE STARTED CLEANING UP HEAVEN. THERE WS WAR IN HEAVEN,SATAN AND HIS ANGELS CAST OUT.

    SCRIPTURE PLEASE FOR THE ABOVE!

    Quote
    2). HIS RESURRECTION WILL DRAW ALL THINGS TO HIMSELF. HIS SAINTS WILL BE HIS,THE KINGDOM WILL BE HIS, AND THE WORLD WILL BE UNDER HIS FEET.

    READ AGAIN:

    31Now   IT IS CLEAR: NOW!

    not as you are wrongly see things! so RESURRECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT STATEMENT!

    is the judgment of the world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. 32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all things to myself.

    SO HE WAS REFERRING TO HIS CRUCIFCTION, SO WHEN HE IS LIFTED UP FROM THE EARTH, OBVIOUS ON THE CROSS

    THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD, SATAN, WOULD BE CAST OUT FROM ALL CREATION, AND FROM ALL SOULS!

    THEREFORE JESUS'SPIRIT  WOULD BE THE ONLY SPIRIT WITHIN NATURE ENTIRELY!

    THE WORD THE SON'S SPIRIT, THE TRIUNE GOD, ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!

    HIS SPIRIT IS  MANIFESTED IN WHATEVER THERE IS VISIBLE ON EARTH!

    ALL THINGS TO MYSELF SATAN LOST ALL WHAT HE BELEIVED IT WAS HIS!

    HUMANS CAN USE ANY MATERIAL TO SIGNIFY JESUS SPIRIT! TO REPRESENTS HIS SPIRIT!

    THAT'S WHY HE STATED :

    THIS IS MY FLESH, REFERRING TO THE BREAD BUT IN REALITY IT IS A REFERENCE TO THE ENTIRE FOOD!

    AND THIS IS MY BLOOD REFERING TO THE WINE, BUT IN REALITY A REFERENCE ENTIRELY TO ALL GOOD HEALTHY DRINKS!

    SO LONG IT IS IN THANKSGIVINGS IN HIS NAME

    BEFORE JESUS TIME, THERE WAS CLEAN FOOD AND UNCLEAN FOOD, SATAN'S CREATURES AND GOD'S CREATURES SINCE THERE WAS SATAN IN NATURE!

    BUT THEN JESUS REMOVED HIM ENTIRELY AND MADE ALL GOOD.

    READ SCRIPTURE:

    Acts 11:6 Into which looking, I considered, and saw four footed creatures of the earth, and beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air: 7And I heard also a voice saying to me: Arise, Peter; kill and eat. 8And I said: Not so, Lord; for nothing common or unclean hath ever entered into my mouth.

    9And the voice answered again from heaven: What

    GOD HAD MADE CLEAN , do not thou call common

    this is also a reference to all HUMANITY SINCE ALL COULD BECOME HOLY SIMPLY BY ACCEPTING JESUS AS THE REDEEMER!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #353223
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:51)

    Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 02 2013,10:26)
    islam, you believe, is going to take over the world; right?


    BD?


    What do you mean take over? Islam is already the Largest belief in the world as of this year and it certainly didn't come through force.

    #353238
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ Aug. 04 2013,08:05)

    Wakeup,Aug. wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    .Jesus had to be pure human

    Wakeup,

    I NEVER DENIED THAT JESUS WAS HUMAN!

    BUT IT DOSEN’T MEAN THAT FOR GOD TO BE HUMAN IN FLESH AND BLOOD IN HIS SON, HE LOSES HIS FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTE

    THE SPIRITUAL ELEMENT!

    OR ISN’T IT MORE LIKELY THAT HE MAINTAINED HIS ATTRIBUTES, AND ALL HE DID SIMPLY GRANTED  MARY ALL HIS POWER  TO ACT AS A GATE FOR HIS SON TO COME FORTH WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING THAT SHE BECAME HIS MOTHER! THE MOTHER OF A SPIRITUAL BEING SON OF GODIN FLESH AND BLOOD, SON OF MAN ONLY THE MOMENT  HE ENTERRED THE PLANET  OF MEN!

    WHY WOULD THE ANGEL GABRIEL ENUNCIATED WITH SUCH A HIGHLY STRUCTURED PHRASES AS:

    HAIL, FULL OF GRACE  

    BLESSED

    FEAR NOT,

    FOUND GRACE WITH GOD.

    BRING FORTH ( NOT GIVE BIRTH)

    BORN OF YOU ( NOT GIVE BIRTH)

    AND THEN PUT MARY IN ALL THAT KIND OF TERROR ESPECIALLY THOSE DAYS, WHICH EVE DESERVEDLY HAD TO EXPERIENCE DUE TO HER SIN WHICH GAVE BIRTH TO THE FIRST SON OF THE DEVIL CAIN?

    IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THE HOLY SPIRIT  FROM THE FATHER AT ALL IF MARY DIDN’T REALLY EXPERIENCE HIS UNIQUE INTERVENTION WHEN IT WAS MOSTLY NEEDED!

    NOW READ SCRIPTURES:

    Luke 2:7 – And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger;………….

    Most women, after the long, intense rigors of childbirth, are much too tired and weak to actually clothe and tend to the baby in that manner. This is why birth attendants are necessary. Yet the Bible says that Mary did all these things by herself, right after JESUS CAME OUT .

    ALSO:

    SHE CONFIRMED HERSELF WHEN SHE STATED:

    Luke 1:49 Because he that is mighty, HAD DONE GREAT THINGS TO ME; and holy is his name.

    50And his MERCY  is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.

    WHAT ARE THE GREAT THINGS, IF THEY ARE NOT COMPLETE

    A GODLY SON, IN THAT MOMENT IN TIME, REQUIRED A GODLY  MOTHER, A GODLY CONCEPTION, GODLY PREGNANCY, AND A GODLY  BIRTH

    EVE HAD THE OPPOSITE ALL SATANIC!  AFTER ALL THE TREE IS OF GOOD AND EVIL!

    TO CONCLUDE READ THIS SCRIPTURE:

    Ezekiel 44:1And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and IT WAS SHUT. 2And the Lord said to me: This gate SHALL BE SHUT , IT SHALL NOT BE OPENED, AND NO MAN SHALL PASS THROUGH IT: it is clear no man shall pass through it, SO JESUS AS NOT YET MAN WHEN HE PASSED THROUGH MARY, ONLY AFTER HE BECAME MAN! CLEAR TO ME!

    because the Lord the God of Israel THE HOLY SPIRIThath entered in by it, AND IT SHALL BE SHUT. FOREVER!

    WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT SYMBOLICALLY ISA REFERENCE TO MARY’S PARTICULAR WOMB!

    Quote
    He would not have felt the pain and sufferings as a human does. He could have killed all his pain and sufferings.

    THAT'S ONLY YOUR MENTALITY! THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT JESUS REALLY FELT THE PAIN, ONLY FAITH!

    HE STILL COULD HAVE  ELIMINATED PAIN IF HE WANTED!
    BUT INSTEAD HE ENDURED IT SINCE HE HAD GODLY VIRTUES!

    Quote
    I can not find your explanation in scripture.

    NO RATHER YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT I CAN SEE

    Quote
    4.He had 23 of his mothers chromosomes,and one *y*
    of his Fathers.

    WHICH SCRIPTURE ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

    I MYSELF BELEIVE IN A GOD THAT NEVER REQUIRED THE ELEMENTS DUE TO SIN ! WHICH ARE:

    SPERM, OVUM, AND ALL RELATED SATANIC  STUFF!

    AS I SAID HE COULD HAVE CAME DOWN FROM THE SKY IN FLESH AND BLOOD AND ALSO PURE HUMAN

    WOULD YOU DENY THIS FROM ALMIGHTY GOD!

    Quote
    Jesus said** that he is the son of man;the son of David.No one can change that with any new doctrines.

    OR RATHER HIS FLESH BODY ONLY WAS?

    SO THE ABOVEIS THE  LINEAGE OF HIS MOTHER NOT HIS!

    WHAT ABOUT THE SON OF GOD? LINEAGE, IS HE FROM DAVID AS WELL?

    HE CAME FORTH AS A SPIRIT FROM THE FATHER

    Matthew 1:18 ………………..she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost

    NO ONE CAN CHANGE THAT WITH ANY DOCTRINE!

    I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE STATEMENT!

    Quote
    We; true followers are his brothers.

    ONLY FROM THE SOUL POINT OF VEIW,
    CARNAL POINT OF VEIW WE ARE EARTHLY,SATANIC!

    AGAIN THE TREE IS OF GOOD AND EVIL

    ONLY THE FLESH BECOMES DUST! THEREFORE NOT GODLY! THERFORE JESUS IS NOT OUR BROTHER FROM THE BLOOD!

    HE MADE US HIS BROTHERS AFTER REMOVING SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM OUR SOULS WHICH WAS IN THE BLOOD!

    Quote
    Jesus was born a creature just like us.

    LIKE US YES BUT NOT THE SAME AS US

    POST WHICH SCRIPTURE SAYS THESE EXACT WORDS:Jesus was born a creature just like us

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Carmel.

    First of all; have you watched Ron white's video that I have posted,regarding Christ's blood? He is a genuine christian archeologist.

    Paul said that jesus was the first born of **every creature**.
    I dont disagree with that statement because I could understand what he is saying.

    Instead you can not accept; because you can not understand.
    Jesus was born just like any other baby is born;
    except that he was given the Holy spirit at conception; and that he was born by *the will of God*.

    His sacrifice was genuine;his blood was genuine red human blood; his sufferings was genuine human sufferings.

    He was human;**not some hybrid creature**.
    He died as any human died. He had sorrows as any human have sorrows.He was tempted as any human are tempted. He hungers just like any human get hungry.

    It is best to stay with the scriptures,rather than making up things as you go.

    QUOTE:
    *********************************************
    AND THEN PUT MARY IN ALL THAT KIND OF TERROR ESPECIALLY THOSE DAYS, WHICH EVE DESERVEDLY HAD TO EXPERIENCE DUE TO HER SIN WHICH GAVE BIRTH TO THE FIRST SON OF THE DEVIL CAIN?UNQUOTE:
    *************************
    ********************

    CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE ABOVE QUOTE;WHAT THAT IS ALL ABOUT?
    MAKING THINGS UP IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.

    wakeup.

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