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Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:20) Carmel. 2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The HolySpirit was with John the baptist since he was conceived.
The HolySpirit conceived Jesus, since he was Jesus' Father.Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,11:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:20) Carmel. 2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The HolySpirit was with John the baptist since he was conceived.
The HolySpirit conceived Jesus, since he was Jesus' Father.Ed J
EDJ.How more worse can it get?
Mary was truly pegnant.
The holy spirit over shadowed her.THIS IS HOW ELISABETH CONCEIVED IN HER OLD AGE.
Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: ***for thy prayer is heard***; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.Luke 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was *called barren*.
Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and***Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost***:
Now;can you tell the difference?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2013,14:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,11:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:20) Carmel. 2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The HolySpirit was with John the baptist since he was conceived.
The HolySpirit conceived Jesus, since he was Jesus' Father.Ed J
EDJ.How more worse can it get?
Mary was truly pegnant.
The holy spirit over shadowed her.THIS IS HOW ELISABETH CONCEIVED IN HER OLD AGE.
Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: ***for thy prayer is heard***; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.Luke 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was *called barren*.
Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and***Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost***:
Now;can you tell the difference?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, Yep!“He(John, the Baptist) shall be filled with the HolySpirit, even from his mother's womb.” (Luke 1:15)
“She(Mary, the mother of Jesus) was found with child of the HolySpirit” (Matt 1:18)
Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,14:57) Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2013,14:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,11:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:20) Carmel. 2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The HolySpirit was with John the baptist since he was conceived.
The HolySpirit conceived Jesus, since he was Jesus' Father.Ed J
EDJ.How more worse can it get?
Mary was truly pegnant.
The holy spirit over shadowed her.THIS IS HOW ELISABETH CONCEIVED IN HER OLD AGE.
Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: ***for thy prayer is heard***; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.Luke 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was *called barren*.
Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and***Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost***:
Now;can you tell the difference?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, Yep!“He(John, the Baptist) shall be filled with the HolySpirit, even from his mother's womb.” (Luke 1:15)
“She(Mary, the mother of Jesus) was found with child of the HolySpirit” (Matt 1:18)
Ed
EDJ.So are you trying to say that john the babtist
is also born by the will of God?
Did not Zecariah had to pray for a child?wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2013,15:07) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,14:57) Hi Wakeup, Yep! “He(John, the Baptist) shall be filled with the HolySpirit, even from his mother's womb.” (Luke 1:15)
“She(Mary, the mother of Jesus) was found with child of the HolySpirit” (Matt 1:18)
Ed
EDJ.So are you trying to say that john the babtist
is also born by the will of God?
Did not Zecariah had to pray for a child?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,16:28) Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2013,15:07) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,14:57) Hi Wakeup, Yep! “He(John, the Baptist) shall be filled with the HolySpirit, even from his mother's womb.” (Luke 1:15)
“She(Mary, the mother of Jesus) was found with child of the HolySpirit” (Matt 1:18)
Ed
EDJ.So are you trying to say that john the babtist
is also born by the will of God?
Did not Zecariah had to pray for a child?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
Ed J
EDJ.That was a question.
What then are you trying to say?wakeup.
Quote =Wakeup,July 13 2013,19:20 Quote
The only difference is:
1.Jesus was born by *the will of God*.Wakeup,
WITHOUT THE WILL OF GOD NOT EVEN GOD HIMSELF WOULD HAVE EXISTED NEVER MIND THE SON!
NOW GOD’S WILL IS THE SON, THE WORD, AND WITHOUT THE SON THERE’S NO FATHER,AND VICE VERSA!
THE ONLY WAY TO BE A FATHER, IS TO HAVE A SON
THAT'S HOW JESUS IN HIS UNIQUE SIMPLICITY, MADE IT CLEAR THAT BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON, ARE INDISPENSABLE TO EACH OTHER!
I WISH YOU HAVE MORE AWARENESS REGARDING THE FUNCTION OF THE SON! HE IS THE WORD AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD!
REALIZE: WHEN GOD WAS ON HIS OWN, IN HIS GLORY, HE EXISTED ONLY FOR HIS DEITY!
BUT IN ORDER TO BE IN THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE, TO ENRICH HIMSELF,TO BE MOST POWERFUL, THE VERY FIRST THING HE DID BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,
HE HUMBLED HIMSELF AND STATIONED HIMSELF WITHIN THE SON THE OPPOSITE WAY HE WAS BEFORE!
IN HIS OWN GENUINE SUBSTANCE WHO WAS ETERNALLY IN HIM,AND WITH HIM!
THEN THE SON OBEYED HIS FATHER AND, DID ACCORDING TO HIS WILL HE HUMBLED HIMSELF AND STATIONED HIMSELF IN HIS FIRST CREATURE, HE CREATED, LUCIFER! AND BECAME THE FIRSTBORN ANGEL
AS SOON AS LUCIFER REBELLED THE SON, THE WORD THE TRIUNE /MEDIATOR/ GOD BECAME THE FIRST BORN MOST EVIL CREATURE
SO THE FATHER BECAME SATAN INDIRECTLY! BUT ONLY THROUGH THE SON THAT THIS WAS POSSIBLE!
THEREFORE THE SON WAS REALLY WITHIN THE DEVIL, BUT ONLY SINCE THE FATHER WAS WITHIN THE SON, WORD, TO FURNISH HIM WITH ALL POWERS TO CONTROL THE DEVIL, AND MAKE HIM PERFECT AGAIN!
NOW HERE THIS REVELATION
THE FATHER ALTHOUGH HE WAS IN THAT KIND OF HUMBLENESS, HE STILL WAS STATIONED IN THE SON IN THE SAME MANNER LIKE HE IS IN HEAVEN IN EVERY SENSE HE NEVER LOST THE LEAST OF HIS DIVINITY!
HE REMAINED AS HE IS IN HEAVEN IN HIS GENUINE GLORY! WITHIN THE DEVIL IN HELL, AND EVENTUALLY FROM THERE IN THE ENTIRE MATERIAL EXISTENCE!
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS!
THE PERFECT PARADOX!
SO GOD, THROUGH BEING THE LEAST HE BECAME THE MOST HIGH IN EVERY SENSE! BOTH AS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND AS FALSEHOOD!
LUCIFER WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SAID I WANT TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH
THE PROBLEM IS THAT NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT GOD MADE HIM SO, AS HE WANTED TO BE, HE IS STILL NOT AWARE OF IT!
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS, AND DARKNESS NEVER COMPREHENDED!
YES GOD IS IN YOU, WAKEUP!
YES IN YOU AND IN THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE, GOD ALMIGHTY IS IN THE SAME MANNER LIKE HE IS IN HEAVEN BUT IN THE WORD WHICH IS OUR SOUL! AND WE SILL ARE FREE!
AND WE SIMPLY ARE NOT AWARE OF IT, WE SIMPLY ARE NOT LIVING IN JESUS CHRIST IN THE TRUTH, WHEN WE DO SO, WE WOULD REALIZE AND EXPERIENCE GOD IN US
John 3:7 Wonder not, that I said to thee, you must be born again. 8The Spirit breatheth
WHERE HE WILL;( EVEN IN SATAN)
and thou hearest his voice,( EXPERIENCE HIM) but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Quote NOW YOU KNOW WHAT **BORN AGAIN** REALLY IS. THAT’S WHAT IT MEANS BORN IN THE SPIRIT
WAKEUP!
John 14:6 saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
NO MAN GOES TO THE FATHER BUT BY ME!
SO WE ARE NOT YET BORN IN JESUS'SPIRIT!
SINCE ONLY BY JESUS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO EXPERIENCE GOD THE FATHER WITHIN US !
Our Father who art in heaven, SINCE YOU ARE IN THE SON !
THAT’S WHAT JESUS MEANT IN THE ABOVE , AS LONG AS HE IS IN HIS SON, THE FATHER WOULD BE ALWAYS IN HEAVEN IN NO MATTER WHAT!
hallowed be thy name. SINCE IT IS THE SON’S!
10Thy kingdom come. SINCE IT IS THE SON’S
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. SINCE IT IS THE SON’S!
11Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. SINCE IT IS THE SON’S!
12And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. SINCE THEY ARE ALL THE SON’S!
13And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. SINCE WE ARE ALL THE SON’S BOTH GOOD AND EVIL!
John 17: 10 And all my things are YOURS, and YOURS are mine; and I am glorified in them.
BEFORE CREATION, ALL THE GLORY WAS IN THE FATHER, AFTER REDEMPTION, ALL THE GLORY IS IN THE SON! NOTICE: AND I, NOT WE, AM GLORIFIED IN THEM!
FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT
THERE HAS NEVER EXISTED SO GREAT A GLORY, TO BE ONE DIVINE BEING IN BOTH SPIRIT,AND FLESH THE FATHER AND THE SON IN ONE FLESH! BEFORE THE WORLD WAS,THEY WERE IN ONE SPIRIT!
NOT THAT THE FATHER DIDN'T HAVE THE SUBSTANCE, BUT IT WAS NEVER AS FLESH!
AND THE ASTOUNDING BEAUTY OF THIS , WAS THAT THE FATHER OPTED TO ACQUIRE IT AS A MERCYFUL, LOVING, CHARITABLE, MEEKFUL, HUMBLE GOD IN THE POURING OF HIS SPIRIT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST'S BLOOD!
ALL GOD’S WILL WAS MANIFESTED,AND ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE SACRIFICE THE SON'S SPIRIT THE WORD AND THE WORD MADE FLESH
READ THIS:
John 2:17 His disciples remembered that it was written, “ZEAL FOR YOUR HOUSE WILL CONSUME ME.”
as clear as crystal: NOW THE HOUSE IS THE SOUL, THE WORDTHE SON'S SPIRIT SUBSTANCE, AND IT WAS ALL CONSUMED FIRST IN OUR CREATION, IN ORDER TO PERFECT ALL MATTER AND WAS CREATED AS MARY'S FLESH BODY, THEN HE REDEEMED IT THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WORD MADE FLESH AS MAN!
ALSO:
John 4:34 Jesus saith to them: My meat is to do the WILL OF HIM that sent me, that I may PERFECT HIS WORK.
First he said TO DO THE WILL OF HIM! Then he said TO PERFECT HIS WORK SO THEY ARE EQUALLY IN FULL HARMONY AND INDISPENSABLE TO EACH OTHER !
PAUL SAID:
THE HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD!
THAT’S HOW GOD AND THE SON ARE RELATED TO EACH OTHER!
THE SAME RELATION THAT THERE IS BETWEEN THE HEAD AND ITS RESPECTIVE BODY
THERE CANNOT BE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER!
THE SON IS A MEDIATOR/CREATOR TRIUNE GOD! THE FATHER CANNOT BE A MEDIATOR! BUT HE IS, HOW? SIMPLE!
Galatians3:20 Now a mediator is not of one: but God is one.
AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL
ALTHOUGH A MEDIATOR IS NOT OF ONE , BUT SINCE IT CONCERNS GOD , IT HAS TO BE ONE !
WHO WOULD MEDIATE IN THE NAME OF GOD , UNLESS HE IS AWARE OF GOD’S ATTRIBUTES? HOW WOULD GOD ACCEPT MEDIATION WITH SOMEONE INFERIOR TO HIM?
THERFORE ONLY
GOD HIMSELF AS THE WORD
SINCE GOD IS ONE! WHATEVER CONCERNS GOD’S ENTITY, IT MUST BE GOD’S OWN QUALITY THROGUHOUT! SIMPLY AS PAUL STATED
THE FORM AND EQUALITY WITH GOD
Philipians 2:6Who being in the FORM OF GOD , thought it NOT ROBBERY to be EQUAL WITH GOD : 9For which cause God also HATH EXALTED HIM, and hath given him a name which i
s ABOVE ALL NAMES: 10That in the NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: 11And that every tongue should confess that theLORD JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER!
LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IN THE MAGNIFICENCE OF GOD THE FATHER!
SO JESUS IS THE REAL FATHER UP TO NOW! IT PLEASES THE FATHER TO BE IN ALL HIS FULNESS WITHIN THE SON
Colossians 1:13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the KINGDOM OF THE SON OF HIS LOVE,
SO THE KINGDOM OF THE SON IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD!
ALL IN HIM, ALL BY HIM, AND ALL FOR HIM!
THE ABOVE IS BOTH FOR THE FATHER AND THE SON!
THE FATHER ENRICHED HIMSELF THROUGH THE SON, AND VICE VERSA!
THE FATHER IS MORE POWERFUL THEN EVER THROUGH THE SON
Clossians 2:2……………….. unto all riches of fulness of understanding, unto the knowledge of the MYSTERY OF GOD THE FATHER AND OF CHRIST JESUS: 3In whom are hid ALL THE TREASURES OF WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE. INDISPENSABLE TO EACH OTHER!
John 17:1THESE things Jesus spoke, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said: Father, the hour is come,
GLORIFY YOUR SON,THAT YOUR SON MAY GLORIFY THEE
SO THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE IN ONE SAME GLORY!
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looking up steadfastly to heaven, saw
THE GLORY OF GOD, and JESUS standing on the right hand of God
YES THE GLORY OF GOD IS ENRICHED WITH JESUS PRESENCE AND IN ONE SAME GLORY !
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Quote (Wakeup @ July 16 2013,18:38) EDJ. What then are you trying to say?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I said precisely what I was trying to say.
Did you not understand what “I DID SAY”?
Perhaps you need to go back and re-read?Ed J
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,11:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 13 2013,19:20) Carmel. 2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,The HolySpirit was with John the baptist since he was conceived.
The HolySpirit conceived Jesus, since he was Jesus' Father.Ed J
EDJ.Will you please read it again.
Luke 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was *called barren*.
Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and*******Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost********:
Mary visited Elizabeth when she was six months pregnant.
Mary saluted her, and she ****received the Holy spirit****.wakeup.
Wakeup,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote 2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived. Wakeup,
HUMBLY SPEAKING, PERMIT ME TO EXPAND IN ORDER TO MAKE CERTAIN THINGS MORE ACCORDING TO GOD'S WISDOM, ALWAYS THANKS TO THE HOLY SPIRIT WHO ONLY HIM REVEALS SUCH WISDOM!
THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS JESUS’ SOUL, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT BUILT IN THE ACTUAL SENSE JESUS’ SPIRITUAL FLESH BODY! JESUS CONCEPTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CONCEPTION ESPECIALLY BEFORE JESUS WAS BORN!
OUR CONCEPTION IS TOTALLY A SINFUL, MORTAL, CARNAL PROCESS! WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SOUL THE WORD, THE TRIUNE ESSENCE!
BUT JESUS WAS TOTALLY GOD’S ESSENCE!
THEREFORE JUSTLY THE SON OF GOD!
NOW WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT JESUS WAS:
ALL SPIRITUAL WHILE IN THE WOMB OF MARY !
ONLY IN THE INSTANT HE WAS BORN, HE BECAME FLESH AND BLOOD THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HE RESURRECTED!
HE WAS BURIED IN THE VIRGIN WOMB OF THE EARTH IN FLESH AND BLOOD, AND CAME OUT SPIRITUAL!
SO WHILE HE WAS NOT BORN YET, HE WAS NOT IN THE WORLD YET! WHY THEREFORE SHOULD HE RESPECT SATAN’S ENVIRONMENT !
SO HE WAS IN THE CARNAL TABERNACLE OF GOD! IN THE OTHER POST I STATED THAT THROUGH THE WORD
WHEREVER GOD’S PRESENCE IS , HE WOULD ALWAYS BE IN HIS GLORY AS HE IS IN HEAVEN, NO MATTER WHERE! SO SINCE MARY WAS THE UNIQUE PEARL OF GOOD PRICE, AND GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS PLEASED TO HAVE A UNIQUE SPIRITUAL RELATION WITH HER, HIS SON WAS DEFINITELY IN A UNIQUE GODLY ENVIRONMENT ACCORDING TO HIS ATTRIBUTES!
OBVIOUS IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE TO BE VISIBLE, BUT WHY IT’S SHOULD HAVE BEEN VISIBLE! AFTER ALL GOD IS A SPIRIT , AND ALL HIS WORK IS ALWAYS HIDDEN FROM OUR SIGHT!
SO JESUS WAS CONCEIVED, AND BUILT ACCORDING TO GOD ALMIGHTY ATTRIBUTES FOR SURE, I HAVE NOT THE LEAST DOUBT ABOUT THAT!
HOW ON EARTH HE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SON OF GOD! IF HE WAS TO BE CONCEIVED ACCORDING TO SATAN’S PROCEDURES! IT SEEMED SO FOR SURE IN EVERY DEATIL! BUT DEFINITELY WAS NOT SO!AS SON OF GOD HE DIDN’T NEED A CARNAL WOMB, A SPERM, AN INTERCOURSE,AND ALL THE REST! THESE ATTRIBUTES WHERE ORIGININATED THROUGH SIN!
ADAM AND EVE, IN THE VERY INSTANT THAT THEY SINNED THEY BECAME TO THE LEAST DETAIL SUBJECTS TO SATAN’S PROCEDURES,WITH THE CONSEQUENCES THAT BROUGHT THE BLOOD SATAN'S PRESENCE,FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THE ENTIRE PROCESS OF PROCREATION HAD TO BE ACCORDINGLY, SINFUL WITH THE ORIGINAL SIN, THROUGH THE ACT OF CONCEPTION!
THEREFORE, THE PROCESS OF THE SPIRITUAL PROCREATION WITHOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF FLESH AND BLOOD ATTRIBUTES, THEREFORE SEX WHICH GOD ESTABLISHED WHILE ADAM AND EVE WERE STILL HOLY IN THE GARDEN BECAME NULL!
AND A WORLDLY SINFUL PROCESS WAS ESTABLISHED! INSTANTLY ON SIN!SO PROCREATION BECAME THE KEY ELEMENT TO MULTIPLY A SINFUL MORTAL EARTHLY GENERATION PROCESS ,WHICH AUTOMATICALLY WAS INTRODUCED IN THE VERY FIRST SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WHICH ADAM AND EVE COULD HAVE ONLY MANIFESTED ITS FRUIT OUTSIDE THE GARDEN, THEREFORE SATANIC THROUGHOUT!
BUT KEEP IN MIND GOD HUMBLED HIMSELF AND WAS STATIONED BOTH IN SATAN’S SPIRIT HIMSELF! AS THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD, THE SON’S SPIRIT! AND IN THE SOULHIS ESSENCE! WHAT A KIND OF SANDWICH SITUATION SATAN WAS IN THAT VERY MOMENT HE ENTERED ADAM! OF COURSE BY HOOK OR BY CROOK GOD MUST DO HIS WILL,AS THE WORD AND THE PRODIGAL SON MUST AT ALL COST ONE DAY WILL RETURN TO GOD!
REFLECT:
THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD SPIRIT HIDDEN IN SATAN, MATTER, BLOOD THE SOUL SEMI SPIRIT SUNK IN THE BLOOD, COMPLETELY STRANGLED IN SATAN'S ELEMENT, ALL IN THE VEINS OF THE FLESH BODY ! I WONDER WHY THE CONFLICT WITHIN HUMANS JESUS THOUGH ELIMINATED SATAN'S SPIRIT FROM OUR BLOOD, BUT THE SOUL STILL UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE OLD MAN! AND STILL NEVER PERCEIVES GOD WITHIN HER!
LIGHT SHINES IN DARKNESS, AND DARKNESS NEVER COMPREHENDED!
SO YES! MARY NEVER HAD A WOMB IN THE SAME SENSE LIKE ALL WOMEN, WHY SHOULD SHE ? WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT SO? IS THAT WHAT WE REALLY BELIEVE IN,THAT GOD’S PERSONAL WORK WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ENVISAGE!
READ:
Luke 1: 34And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done,
BECAUSE I KNOW NOT MAN?
FROM THE ABOVE STATEMENT, MARY ELUCIDATED THAT EVEN IF SHE WANTED SHE STILL COULDN’T BECOME PREGNANT! IN A NORMAL EARTHLY WAY! MARY WAS NOT CREATED TO BE SUBJECT TO MAN, HOW COLD SHE BE ,SINCE THERE WAS A WAR BETWEEN HER AND SATAN AND THE MAN AS I EXPLAINED ABOVE WAS SATAN’S SUBJECT ! NEITHER SHE COULD HAVE EXPERIENCED IN ANY WAY SATAN’S PROCEDURE ESPECIALLY WHEN SHE WAS THE SPOUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!
NOW LET’S READ LUKE!
Luke 1:35…The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee………
WHAT IN YOUR OPINION IS:
THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH SHALL OVERSHADOW YOU?
IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CORRUPTED FILTHY MORTAL CREATURES CAN FATHOM
I SIMPLY GIVE YOU A HINT WHICH I BELIEVE IT COULD WELL HAVE HAPPENED! ACCORDING TO WHAT I AM AWARE THROUGH SCRIPTURES!
IF MARY WAS RAPED, AND HAD INTERCOURSE, THAT PARTICULAR SATAN IN PERSON WOULD HAVE HAD EXPERIENCED THE MOST AMAZING TIME OF AN ARTIFICIAL SEXUAL PLEASURE ACT WHICH COULD ONLY HAVE HAPPENED ONCE THROUGHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF A WORLD OF ILLUSION!
AFTER ALL THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE MOST JUSTIFIED SATISFACTION FOR THE FATHER OF LIES, WOULDN’T IT?
I ASK YOU !
IS GOD CAPABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS? YES OR NO?
CONFIRMATION:
Genesis 3:15
I ( GOD ALMIGHTY THROUGH THE WORD)will put enmities between YOU ( SATAN) and the WOMAN( YOUR DREAM SUBJECT), and YOUR seed( EVIL SPIRIT) and HER seed: HOLY SPIRIT she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
SO MY POINT IS SATAN WAS SUBJECT TO HER! AND SHE CRUSHED HIS HEAD !
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING , SO MARY IN REALITY, SPIRITUALLY WAS THE WORD IN FLESH THROUGH NATURE THOUGH, NOT LIKE JESUS THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT! HE BECAME THE FIRST BORN PURE CREATED BEING THROUGH CORRUPTED EVE IN CREATION, BUT AS A WOMAN ! TO BE THE PRIMACY IN ALL!
ALSO EVEN GOD’S MAN JESUS WAS SUBJECT TO HER! NEVER MIND SATAN!
SO IT WOULDN’T HAVE MADE SENSE AT ALL,THAT THE SON OF GOD WOULD BE CONCEIVED ACCORDING TO SATAN’S PROCEDURES! ALTHOUGH IT SEEMED SO IN EVERY DETAIL!
BUT AGAIN : FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING REGARDING GOD! IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH QUICKEN!
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Wakeup,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote 4.But he came out of a woman like any other baby. Wakeup,
HE CAME OUT YES! BUT NO NOT LIKE ANY OTHER BABY!
NOT IN THE SAME MANNER FOR SURE!
NOT EVEN HIS MOTHER GAVE THE SAME KIND OF BIRTH!
Quote 5. He was made flesh;and therefore a creature. NO HIS MOTHER WAS A CREATURE! SHE WAS CREATED!
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD!
HE COULD HAVE CAME FROM HEAVEN IN FLESH AND BLOOD ,WITHOUT THE WOMAN!
BUT SINCE HUMANS WERE IN FLESH AND BLOOD, AND THEY WERE BORN THROUGH A SATANIC PROCESS BY A WOMAN, HE HAD TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN! EXCEPT SIN,THEREFORE NON SATANIC CONCEPTION! IN ORDER TO REDEEM THE WOMAN AS WELL.THE FACT THAT HE HIMSELF WAS THE FIRSTBORN PURE WOMAN IN MARY!
SO THE FACT THAT HE WAS MADE FLESH IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE LOST HIS SPIRITUAL DIVINE SUBSTANCE!
HE REMAINED THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE IN ALL HIS DIVINE QUALITY EVEN IN HIS TOMB! SO HE COULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CREATED SINCE HE WAS DIVINE! AND CAME FORTH FROM GOD!
HE SIMPLY, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, ENTERED MARY’S PARTICULAR WOMB , AND CAME OUT IN THE STATE OF A SPIRITUAL FLESH, AND THEN ACQUIRED THE FLESH AND BLOOD! INSTANTLY THE MOMENT HE CAME OUT OF MARY’S WOMB! TO RESPECT SATAN’S ATTRIBUTES SINCE HE WAS IN EARTH!
THE SAME WAY EVE WAS BUILT!
ADAM WAS CREATED, EVE WAS BUILT!
MARY WAS CREATED, JESUS WAS BUILT!
ADAM WAS CREATED AS THE FIRST PURE SOUL FROM EARTH!
MARY WAS CREATED AS THE FIRST PURE FLESH FROM EARTH!
EVE AND JESUS BOTH CAME OUT, IN THE SAME SPIRITUAL FLESH ELEMENT FIRST, AND THEN ACHIEVED THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY !
EVE THROUGH SIN! SHE HAD TO DIE IN ORDER TO RETURN BACK TO A SPIRITUAL ELEMENT
JESUS THROUGH DIVINITY! HE NEVER DIED LIKE EVE, BUT SPIRITUALIZED HIS BODY, HE CONTINUED THE PROCESS OF SPIRITUALITY WHICH HE STARTED WHILE HE WAS ALIVE ON EARTH THROUGH HIS PERFECT LIFE, BUT OBVIOUS IT SEEMED THE SAME KIND OF DEATH BUT IT WASN'T. THERE WAS NO KIND OF POSTPONMENT IN JESUS, FROM THE TIME HE LEFT HIS FATHER AND RETURNED BACK TO HIM! HE MAINTAINED HIS DIVINITY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. THE PROOF THAT HE IS THE ETERNAL LIFE!
IT HAD TO BE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, THE SPIRIT QUICKENETH. SO THE SPIRIT BECAME FLESH AND BLOOD IN AN INSTANT, THE SAME WAY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GARDEN, INSTANTLY THROUGH SIN ADAM AND EVE BECAME
CREATURES IN FLESH AND BLOOD
ALSO, EVE AND JESUS BOTH WERE SUBJECTS TO ADAM, AND MARY RESPECTIVELY!
Quote 8. He was the first born of every creature. YES, ONLY BECAUSE HIS SPIRIT, WAS WITHIN THE VERY FIRST SPECIFIC CREATURE CREATED BY HIM, AND IN HIM!
SO HIS SPIRIT IS ETERNAL TO RESTORE ETERNAL LIFE WITHIN ALL CREATURES!Quote 9. When he was born of the flesh; **he was flesh**; NOT EXACTLY, AS I EXPLAINED ABOVE! HE WAS ALSO DIVINE, THROUGHOUT EVEN THE FLESH ITSELF, HIS FLESH WAS NOT CONTAMINATED, THEREFORE HE NEVER DIED IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE SINFUL CREATURES DIE! IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!
Quote When he was **born again** of the spirit; he is spirit. HE WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT SINCE HE WAS SINLESS! ONLY HUMANS MUST BORN AGAIN IN HIS SPIRIT, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE DEAD IN SATAN’S SPIRIT WITHIN THE BLOOD,THROUGH ADAM’S SIN!
BUT JESUS WAS WITHOUT A BLEMISH, SO HE NEVER NEEDED TO BE BORN AGAIN! IN NOTHING!
EVEN WHEN HE WAS BORN A BABY, HE WASN'T BORN IN THE SAME MANNER LIKE US, AS I EXPLAINED IN THE OTHER POST!
HE LEFT HIS MOTHER'S WOMB AS A SPIRITUAL FLESH, THEN INSTANTLY ACQUIRED THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY.JESUS' FLESH BODY HAD LIFE IN ITSELF, OURS IT DOESN'T HAVE IT IS ONLY THROUGH THE SOUL THAT WE GET LIFE!
IN FACT THROUGH HIS DEATH, HE OVERTHREW SATAN’S DEAD SPIRIT FROM ALL SOULS, AND MAINTAINED HIS, THE WORD, THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR/GOD, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR SOULS,
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
bodhitharta,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote =bodhitharta,July 16 2013,09:07 Quote Yes, God saves but you have something wrong here Moses was not Jewish nor was he from the tribe of Judah nor does the word Moses in egypt mean God it implies the word meaning “born” or “child”. relating to the MS in egyptian language. BD,
Moses in Egyptian means god – Ramoses – the god Ra, Thatmoses – the god That, Ptahmose – the god Ptah; all are Egyptian gods and Pharaohs.
Quote Also your biggest ERROR is these people are not gods in a literal sense unless you deny th BASIC ENTIRE SHEMA of ISRAEL: “Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is one,” IN THOSE DAYS WHEN NOT EVEN THE JEWS HAD THEIR GOD YET, PHARAO CONSIDERRED HIMSELF GOD IN FLESH ON EARTH!
Ancient History Encyclopedia:
In 3000 BCE the first dynasties appeared in Egypt with the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt. The rulers of these dynasties were equated with the gods and with the duties and obligations due those gods. As supreme ruler of the people, the pharaoh was considered a god on earth, the intermediary between the gods and the people, and when he died, he was thought to become Osiris, the god of the dead.
Quote This does not mean Jesus was God at all if it did the scripture would not say: Acts 10:38
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.Also as a child
Luke 2:52
And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.If Jesus as “God” in any way how would he need to grow in favor with God?
BD,
THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES ARE A PROOF THAT JESUS WAS GOD IN FLESH!
JESUS HAD TWO SEPARATE NATURES IN ONE PERSON:
GOD AND MAN!The anointing by the Holy Spirit was not to furnish Jesus with a higher power, but to officially establish Jesus on earth in the truth. WHOM HE REALLY WAS! Jesus was THE SON OF GOD, before he was born. As son of God he is eternal! Only as a human he was born! Scripture is clear: THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH! And as the word he is eternal with the Father!
SO HE WAS ALREADY GOD AS A SPIRIT! ALL HE HAD TO DO,WAS TO BUILD HIS OWN FLESH BODY HIMSELF, SINCE HE OPTED SO! IN HIS OWN GENUINE AND UNIQUE WOMB OF A,PURPOSELY AND SPECIFICALLY CREATED,PERFECT CREATURE, HIS MOTHER MARY, HIS OWN EX SPIRIT !
BY THE WORD, IN THE WORD, AND ENTIRELY FOR THE WORD TO BE MADE FLESH , ALL OF GOD SUBSTANCE!So from birth till he started his mission, he had to grow in wisdom, both as man, and as a divine! HE HAD TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!
BUT HE HAD TO BE TAUGHT DIRECTLY BY GOD! HE WAS NEVER EDUCATED BY ANYONE!At the age of twelve he declared that he had to do his father’s work!
Jesus had to receive the water baptism, for the simple reason that he had to be in all things like his brethren.
THEREFORE JESUS WAS SUBJECT TO THIS PROCEDURE AS WELL SINCE HE WAS BORN TEMPORARY SUBJECT TO SATAN’S INEFFECTIVE SPIRIT WITHIN!NOW READ AND REFLECT:
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you in the water unto penance, BUT HE THAT SHALL COME AFTER ME, IS MIGHTIER THAN I, WHOSE SHOES I AM NOT WORTHY TO BEAR; he shall baptize you in the HOLY GHOST AND FIRE .
SO JESUS WAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED NOT AFTER! AND HIS MISSION WAS TO BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, AND FIRE! OBVOUS THROUGH HIS REDEMPTION!
ALSO:
14 But John stayed him, saying: I OUGHT TO BE BAPTIZE BY THEE and comest thou to me?
AGAIN BEFORE BAPTIZED JESUS, JOHN DECLARED THAT JESUS OUGHT TO BAPTIZE HIM ,THEREFORE HE DID NOT BECOME THE SON OF GOD, THROUGH BAPTIZM!
READ:
15And Jesus answering, said to him: SUFFER it to be so now. For so it becometh us to FULFILL ALL JUSTICE.
SO JESUS CLARIFIED THINGS FOR US, AND TOLD HIM THAT ONLY FOR JUSTICE SAKE THAT THEY ARE DOING THISFOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT SATAN WAS ONLY SUBJECT TO MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, WHOES SPIRIT WAS WITHIN JOHN,
17And behold a voice from heaven, saying: This IS ( PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE!) my beloved Son, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.
IT IS CLEAR : GOD IS PLEASED TO ABIDE IN JESUS’ BODY! ENTIRELY HIS OWN, SO GOD IN FLESH ! THE GODHEAD CARNALY!
John 1:30 This is he, of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is preferred before me: BECAUSE HE WAS BEFORE ME! 31And I knew him not,( OBVIOUS HE, THE WORD, WAS WITH GOD, AND HE WAS GOD! ) but that he (GOD) may be made manifest( VISIBLE IN JESUS, THE WORD MADE FLESH) in Israel,( SYMBOLICALLY LUCIFER’S SPIRIT AS MATTER!) therefore am I come baptizing with water.( TO MAKE SATAN AWARE OF THE TRUTH)
32And John gave testimony, saying: I saw the Spirit ( OF THE FATHER, UNITE AS ONE WITH JESUS) coming down, as a dove from heaven, and he REMAINED upon him. 33And I knew him not; ( AS A SPIRIT , ) but he ( GOD THE FATHER,) WHO SENT ME (WHEN HE WAS AS ARCHANGEL) to baptize with water, said to me:He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, HE IT IS THAT BAPTIZETH WITH THE HOLY GHOST. ( ONLY GOD FURNISHES THE HOLY GHOST) 34And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.NOT IN OUR TERMS, BUT IN GOD’S TERMSQuote Mary did not have RELATIONS with God are you even serious? MORE THEN YOU LEAST EXPECT!
Quote This is Blasphemous talk you speak: YOU SAY SO ONLY, BECAUSE MUSLIMS ARE CARNAL MINDED RELIGION!
Quote To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? AGAIN ONLY MUSLIMS TALK NONSENSE BECAUSE THEY ARE CARNAL MINDED RELIGION!
GOD IS OMNIPOTENT! ALL IS POSSIBLE!
Quote He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #101)
THEREFORE HE COULD ACHIEVE ALL, THROUGH ALL, OUT OF NOTHING! NEVER MIND A SON WITHOUT A CONSORT!
Quote I hope wake up reads this so he can see why the Quran clarifies such thinking, you see if you start calling Jesus “son of God” in a literal sense this is what you get, people supposing RELATIONS between God and HIS creation THAT IS THE GENUINE REASON WHY JESUS CAME INTO THIS WORLD !
You really don’t know the meaning of the word RELATION! ALL OF US HUMANS, HAVE A PARTICULAR UNKNOWN RELATION WITH GOD, whether a positive one or a negative one! HE SAID ON THE CROSS: FATHER FORGIVE THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING!
NOW! THANKS FOR JESUS CHRIST, WE CAN HAVE A HOLY PERSONAL RELATION WITH GOD! IN ANY WAY ONE BELEIEVES IN, SO LONG IT IS THROUGH JESUS!
Even you yourself, although you ONLY believe in Jesus as a prophet are convinced that YOU CAN HAVE A PARTICULAR RELATION WITH ALLAH, WHILE YOU PRAY!
MARY HAD SIX KINDS OF MYSTERIOUS UNIQUE RELATIONS WITH GOD ACCORDING TO GABRIEL! AND THE SEVENTH KIND WAS COMPLETION AND WAS CONCEIVED!
BUT IT DOESN’T ACTUALLY MEAN THAT GOD HAD INTERCOURSE WITH MARY, SHE HAD NOTHING SIMILAR TO ALL EVIL WOMEN IN HER TIME, BOTH REGARDING CONCEPTION,AND BIRTH OF JESUS!
JESUS WAS SPIRIT,WHILE IN MARY’S PARTICULAR WOMB AND HE BECAME FLESH! IMMEDIATELY THE MOMENT HE WAS BORN, AND DEFINITELY NOT IN THE SAME WAY WE ARE ALL BORN , AS YOU STATED HE WAS BORN NOT IN THE LITERRAL SENSE BUT IN THE SPIRITUAL SENSE, THEREFORE WHY SHOULD GOD REQUIRE WHAT ALL SINFULL CREATURES DO, REGARDING THE BIRTH OF HIS SON?
THIS IS SCRIPTURAL
More to come regarding the same post
Charles
Quote (carmel @ July 21 2013,07:21) Wakeup,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote 4.But he came out of a woman like any other baby. Wakeup,
HE CAME OUT YES! BUT NO NOT LIKE ANY OTHER BABY!
NOT IN THE SAME MANNER FOR SURE!
NOT EVEN HIS MOTHER GAVE THE SAME KIND OF BIRTH!
Quote 5. He was made flesh;and therefore a creature. NO HIS MOTHER WAS A CREATURE! SHE WAS CREATED!
FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD!
HE COULD HAVE CAME FROM HEAVEN IN FLESH AND BLOOD ,WITHOUT THE WOMAN!
BUT SINCE HUMANS WERE IN FLESH AND BLOOD, AND THEY WERE BORN THROUGH A SATANIC PROCESS BY A WOMAN, HE HAD TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN! EXCEPT SIN,THEREFORE NON SATANIC CONCEPTION! IN ORDER TO REDEEM THE WOMAN AS WELL.THE FACT THAT HE HIMSELF WAS THE FIRSTBORN PURE WOMAN IN MARY!
SO THE FACT THAT HE WAS MADE FLESH IT DOESN’T MEAN THAT HE LOST HIS SPIRITUAL DIVINE SUBSTANCE!
HE REMAINED THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE IN ALL HIS DIVINE QUALITY EVEN IN HIS TOMB! SO HE COULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CREATED SINCE HE WAS DIVINE! AND CAME FORTH FROM GOD!
HE SIMPLY, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT, ENTERED MARY’S PARTICULAR WOMB , AND CAME OUT IN THE STATE OF A SPIRITUAL FLESH, AND THEN ACQUIRED THE FLESH AND BLOOD! INSTANTLY THE MOMENT HE CAME OUT OF MARY’S WOMB! TO RESPECT SATAN’S ATTRIBUTES SINCE HE WAS IN EARTH!
THE SAME WAY EVE WAS BUILT!
ADAM WAS CREATED, EVE WAS BUILT!
MARY WAS CREATED, JESUS WAS BUILT!
ADAM WAS CREATED AS THE FIRST PURE SOUL FROM EARTH!
MARY WAS CREATED AS THE FIRST PURE FLESH FROM EARTH!
EVE AND JESUS BOTH CAME OUT, IN THE SAME SPIRITUAL FLESH ELEMENT FIRST, AND THEN ACHIEVED THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY !
EVE THROUGH SIN! SHE HAD TO DIE IN ORDER TO RETURN BACK TO A SPIRITUAL ELEMENT
JESUS THROUGH DIVINITY! HE NEVER DIED LIKE EVE, BUT SPIRITUALIZED HIS BODY, HE CONTINUED THE PROCESS OF SPIRITUALITY WHICH HE STARTED WHILE HE WAS ALIVE ON EARTH THROUGH HIS PERFECT LIFE, BUT OBVIOUS IT SEEMED THE SAME KIND OF DEATH BUT IT WASN'T. THERE WAS NO KIND OF POSTPONMENT IN JESUS, FROM THE TIME HE LEFT HIS FATHER AND RETURNED BACK TO HIM! HE MAINTAINED HIS DIVINITY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD. THE PROOF THAT HE IS THE ETERNAL LIFE!
IT HAD TO BE FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING, THE SPIRIT QUICKENETH. SO THE SPIRIT BECAME FLESH AND BLOOD IN AN INSTANT, THE SAME WAY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GARDEN, INSTANTLY THROUGH SIN ADAM AND EVE BECAME
CREATURES IN FLESH AND BLOOD
ALSO, EVE AND JESUS BOTH WERE SUBJECTS TO ADAM, AND MARY RESPECTIVELY!
Quote 8. He was the first born of every creature. YES, ONLY BECAUSE HIS SPIRIT, WAS WITHIN THE VERY FIRST SPECIFIC CREATURE CREATED BY HIM, AND IN HIM!
SO HIS SPIRIT IS ETERNAL TO RESTORE ETERNAL LIFE WITHIN ALL CREATURES!Quote 9. When he was born of the flesh; **he was flesh**; NOT EXACTLY, AS I EXPLAINED ABOVE! HE WAS ALSO DIVINE, THROUGHOUT EVEN THE FLESH ITSELF, HIS FLESH WAS NOT CONTAMINATED, THEREFORE HE NEVER DIED IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE SINFUL CREATURES DIE! IT DOESN’T MAKE SENSE!
Quote When he was **born again** of the spirit; he is spirit. HE WAS NEVER BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT SINCE HE WAS SINLESS! ONLY HUMANS MUST BORN AGAIN IN HIS SPIRIT, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE DEAD IN SATAN’S SPIRIT WITHIN THE BLOOD,THROUGH ADAM’S SIN!
BUT JESUS WAS WITHOUT A BLEMISH, SO HE NEVER NEEDED TO BE BORN AGAIN! IN NOTHING!
EVEN WHEN HE WAS BORN A BABY, HE WASN'T BORN IN THE SAME MANNER LIKE US, AS I EXPLAINED IN THE OTHER POST!
HE LEFT HIS MOTHER'S WOMB AS A SPIRITUAL FLESH, THEN INSTANTLY ACQUIRED THE FLESH AND BLOOD BODY.JESUS' FLESH BODY HAD LIFE IN ITSELF, OURS IT DOESN'T HAVE IT IS ONLY THROUGH THE SOUL THAT WE GET LIFE!
IN FACT THROUGH HIS DEATH, HE OVERTHREW SATAN’S DEAD SPIRIT FROM ALL SOULS, AND MAINTAINED HIS, THE WORD, THE TRIUNE MEDIATOR/GOD, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IN OUR SOULS,
Peace and love in Jesus
Charles
Carmel.It seems like you have a seperate bible
to explain Jesus birth and resurrection.
I can not find your explanation in scripture.1.Jesus had to be pure human,or else his
sacrifice wont be a human sacrifice.
He would not have felt the pain and sufferings as a human does. He could have killed all his pain and sufferings.2. **Jesus said** that he is the son of man;the son of David.No one can change that with any new doctrines.
3. We; true followers are his brothers.
He is a true human;not a half breed; half human, and half God.4.He had 23 of his mothers chromosomes,and one *y*
of his Fathers.5. Jesus was born a creature just like us.
The first **BORN** of the dead.FIRST RESURRECTED.
A). BORN OF THE FLESH: B). **BORN AGAIN** OF THE SPIRIT:ONE CAN ONLY BE BORN *ONCE* AND THEN *AGAIN*THE SECOND TIME. **THERE ARE NO THIRD, OR FOURTH BIRTHS**.
wakeup.
Quote (carmel @ Aug. 01 2013,07:43) Quote IN THOSE DAYS WHEN NOT EVEN THE JEWS HAD THEIR GOD YET, PHARAO CONSIDERRED HIMSELF GOD IN FLESH ON EARTH!
God was always known you don't understand several points here: Adam knew God, Noah knew God, Abraham knew God: So when exactly was GOD missing?
Quote BD, THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES ARE A PROOF THAT JESUS WAS GOD IN FLESH!
JESUS HAD TWO SEPARATE NATURES IN ONE PERSON:
GOD AND MAN!Actually no scriptures say any sort of thing. Do you not think out of more than 1000 pages the words “God in Flesh” would be mentioned if that was the message of God?
Quote The anointing by the Holy Spirit was not to furnish Jesus with a higher power, but to officially establish Jesus on earth in the truth. WHOM HE REALLY WAS! Jesus was THE SON OF GOD, before he was born. As son of God he is eternal! Only as a human he was born! Scripture is clear: THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH! And as the word he is eternal with the Father! Is he God or Son of God?
Quote SO HE WAS ALREADY GOD AS A SPIRIT! ALL HE HAD TO DO,WAS TO BUILD HIS OWN FLESH BODY HIMSELF, SINCE HE OPTED SO! IN HIS OWN GENUINE AND UNIQUE WOMB OF A,PURPOSELY AND SPECIFICALLY CREATED,PERFECT CREATURE, HIS MOTHER MARY, HIS OWN EX SPIRIT !
BY THE WORD, IN THE WORD, AND ENTIRELY FOR THE WORD TO BE MADE FLESH , ALL OF GOD SUBSTANCE!So GOD built HIS own flesh body and called it HIS “Son Body”?
Quote So from birth till he started his mission, he had to grow in wisdom, both as man, and as a divine! HE HAD TO BE IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN! Like his brethren? In what way has anything here that you spoke of Jesus in ANYWAY like his brethren? Which of his brethren was not a fetus and built their own body that materialized upon birth?
Quote BUT HE HAD TO BE TAUGHT DIRECTLY BY GOD! HE WAS NEVER EDUCATED BY ANYONE!At the age of twelve he declared that he had to do his father’s work! Excuse me, you just said he built his own body i.e. God created a Body for Himself but then you say that God taught Himself? Does that make ANY sense to you? Seriously?
Quote Jesus had to receive the water baptism, for the simple reason that he had to be in all things like his brethren.
THEREFORE JESUS WAS SUBJECT TO THIS PROCEDURE AS WELL SINCE HE WAS BORN TEMPORARY SUBJECT TO SATAN’S INEFFECTIVE SPIRIT WITHIN!side note: If Satan's spirit is ineffective then there would be no point to the procedure
Quote NOW READ AND REFLECT: Okay
Quote Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you in the water unto penance, BUT HE THAT SHALL COME AFTER ME, IS MIGHTIER THAN I, WHOSE SHOES I AM NOT WORTHY TO BEAR; he shall baptize you in the HOLY GHOST AND FIRE . SO JESUS WAS OFFICIALLY DECLARED BEFORE HE WAS BAPTIZED NOT AFTER! AND HIS MISSION WAS TO BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY GHOST, AND FIRE! OBVOUS THROUGH HIS REDEMPTION!
ALSO:
14 But John stayed him, saying: I OUGHT TO BE BAPTIZE BY THEE and comest thou to me?
AGAIN BEFORE BAPTIZED JESUS, JOHN DECLARED THAT JESUS OUGHT TO BAPTIZE HIM ,THEREFORE HE DID NOT BECOME THE SON OF GOD, THROUGH BAPTIZM!
READ:
15And Jesus answering, said to him: SUFFER it to be so now. For so it becometh us to FULFILL ALL JUSTICE.
SO JESUS CLARIFIED THINGS FOR US, AND TOLD HIM THAT ONLY FOR JUSTICE SAKE THAT THEY ARE DOING THISFOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT SATAN WAS ONLY SUBJECT TO MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, WHOES SPIRIT WAS WITHIN JOHN,
17And behold a voice from heaven, saying: This IS ( PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE!) my beloved Son, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.
IT IS CLEAR : GOD IS PLEASED TO ABIDE IN JESUS’ BODY! ENTIRELY HIS OWN, SO GOD IN FLESH ! THE GODHEAD CARNALY!
So God abides in th Body of Jesus with Jesus or is Jesus?
Quote John 1:30 This is he, of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is preferred before me: BECAUSE HE WAS BEFORE ME! 31And I knew him not,( OBVIOUS HE, THE WORD, WAS WITH GOD, AND HE WAS GOD! ) but that he (GOD) may be made manifest( VISIBLE IN JESUS, THE WORD MADE FLESH) in Israel,( SYMBOLICALLY LUCIFER’S SPIRIT AS MATTER!) therefore am I come baptizing with water.( TO MAKE SATAN AWARE OF THE TRUTH)
32And John gave testimony, saying: I saw the Spirit ( OF THE FATHER, UNITE AS ONE WITH JESUS) coming down, as a dove from heaven, and he REMAINED upon him. 33And I knew him not; ( AS A SPIRIT , ) but he ( GOD THE FATHER,) WHO SENT ME (WHEN HE WAS AS ARCHANGEL) to baptize with water, said to me:He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, HE IT IS THAT BAPTIZETH WITH THE HOLY GHOST. ( ONLY GOD FURNISHES THE HOLY GHOST) 34And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.NOT IN OUR TERMS, BUT IN GOD’S TERMSSo Go was also th Archangel as well?
Quote
MORE THEN YOU LEAST EXPECT!WOW!
Quote To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? Quote AGAIN ONLY MUSLIMS TALK NONSENSE BECAUSE THEY ARE CARNAL MINDED RELIGION! How is that carnal minded? God created people to have children through intercourse if God CREATED and did not PROCREATE, HE has no children except as a metaphor
Quote GOD IS OMNIPOTENT! ALL IS POSSIBLE! All powerful does not mean all “possible”
Hebrews 6:18
God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.Quote He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things. ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #101)
Quote THEREFORE HE COULD ACHIEVE ALL, THROUGH ALL, OUT OF NOTHING! NEVER MIND A SON WITHOUT A CONSORT! Exactly!
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: “Be,” and it is.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #117)
You seem to imagine God to be weak an that is very CARNAL minded thinking about God
Quote
THAT IS THE GENUINE REASON WHY JESUS CAME INTO THIS WORLD !NOT according to Jesus:
John 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.Quote You really don’t know the meaning of the word RELATION! ALL OF US HUMANS, HAVE A PARTICULAR UNKNOWN RELATION WITH GOD, whether a positive one or a negative one! HE SAID ON THE CROSS: FATHER FORGIVE THEM BECAUSE THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING! NOW! THANKS FOR JESUS CHRIST, WE CAN HAVE A HOLY PERSONAL RELATION WITH GOD! IN ANY WAY ONE BELEIEVES IN, SO LONG IT IS THROUGH JESUS!
What about all th personal relationships that people had with GOD before Jesus was sent?
Isaiah 41:8
But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.The entire BIBLE and QURAN is based upon God's relationship with mankind but instead of just being grateful and pious you decide to invent things
And what think those who invent lies against Allah, of the Day of Judgment? Verily Allah is full of bounty to mankind, but most of them are ungrateful.
( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #60)
Quote Even you yourself, although you ONLY believe in Jesus as a prophet are convinced that YOU CAN HAVE A PARTICULAR RELATION WITH ALLAH, WHILE YOU PRAY! MARY HAD SIX KINDS OF MYSTERIOUS UNIQUE RELATIONS WITH GOD ACCORDING TO GABRIEL! AND THE SEVENTH KIND WAS COMPLETION AND WAS CONCEIVED!
BUT IT DOESN’T ACTUALLY MEAN THAT GOD HAD INTERCOURSE WITH MARY, SHE HAD NOTHING SIMILAR TO ALL EVIL WOMEN IN HER TIME, BOTH REGARDING CONCEPTION,AND BIRTH OF JESUS!
JESUS WAS SPIRIT,WHILE IN MARY’S PARTICULAR WOMB AND HE BECAME FLESH! IMMEDIATELY THE MOMENT HE WAS BORN, AND DEFINITELY NOT IN THE SAME WAY WE ARE ALL BORN , AS YOU STATED HE WAS BORN NOT IN THE LITERRAL SENSE BUT IN THE SPIRITUAL SENSE, THEREFORE WHY SHOULD GOD REQUIRE WHAT ALL SINFULL CREATURES DO, REGARDING THE BIRTH OF HIS SON?
THIS IS SCRIPTURAL
No this is not scriptural AT ALL.
Quote More to come regarding the same post Do you not like what is in the Bible I mean do you really need to insert massive private interpretation to it?
2 Peter 1:20
knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.Please understand this: When I argue the case that Jesus wasn't crucified or killed I can actually go to scriptures that have Pontious Pilate and Herod saying they will free Jesus or many other Biblical verses that give a basis for what I am saying can you at least do that?
Hi BD,
But you also ignore the clear teachings of the bible where it says
Jesus was crucified and resurrected by the GOD of the bible YHVH.Ed (witness)
bodhitharta,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote No, that absolutely makes no sense but since you bring up Abraham an symbolism consider the fact that Abraham did not kill his own son God gave him a substitute but yet you believe what was good for Abraham was not good enough for God Almighty BD,
WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT :
ABRAHAM SYMBOLICALLY GOD THE FATHER, HOLY ,HEAVENLY ELEMENT SPIRIT
SARAH SYMBOLICALLY VIRGIN MARY, SPIRITUAL MOTHER
ISAAC SYMBOLICALLY CHRIST, THE WORD, THE SON, SOUL
HAGAR SYMBOLICALLY EVE, EARTHLY, EVIL CARNAL MOTHER,
ISHMAEL SYMBOLICALLY SATAN, EVIL, EARTHLY ELEMENT, FLESHWHO SAID THAT GOD ALMIGHTY KILLED HIS SON JESUS?
YOU YOURSELF AS A MUSLIM DENY THIS! DON’T YOU?
IN FACT THAT’S WHY ABRAHAM NEVER WAS ALLOWED TO KILL ISACC, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED , AND DIED HIS PARTICULAR DEATH, IT WAS THROUGH DEATH ITSELF THAT HE ACTUALLY IMMEDIATELY GLORIFIED , SO HE NEVER REALLY DIED LIKE EVIL FLESH,AS WE ALL DO, BUT LIVED, AND INSTEAD SATAN WAS ERADICATED, SYMBOLIZED BY THE RAM
NOW REFLECT:
JEWS SYMBOLICALLY LUCIFER’S SPIRIT, STILL NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS AS THE MESSAIAH!
CHRISTIANS SYMBOLICALLY JESUS’ SOULS BELIEVE IN JESUS AS MESSAIAH!
MUSLIMS SUMBOLICALLY FLESH, EARTHLY, SATAN’S .
MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN MARY,THE PERFECT MOTHER EARTH! THE HIGHEST CREATURE IN HEAVEN, WHO CRUSHED SATAN’S HEAD, SYMBOLIZED WITH THE MOON UNDER HER FEET, ALSO THE MUSLIM EMBLEM IN THE CRESCENT MOON WITH THE STAR SYMBOLICALLY MARY’S DOMINANCE OVER THE MOON, EX SATAN ,BY THE STAR
SO THESE THREE RELIGIONS REPRESENT THE MAN IN SPIRIT, JEWS IN SOUL CHRISTIANS AND IN FLESH MUSLIMS
THE ENTIRE OF ABRAHAM SEEDS NEARLY HALF THE POPULATION OF THE WORLD
ALSO NOTICE THE SOUL IS A MEDIATOR BETWEEN THE SPIRIT, AND THE FLESH!
THE PRE ADAMITES, THE EVIL BEAST LIKE CREATURES, DEVILS IN FLESH,HAD ONLY SPIRIT SATAN’S AND FLESH EX LUCIFER’S SPIRIT! THEY WERE NEVER AWARE OF THEIR EXISTENCE, THEN GOD SEPARATED THE SPIRIT AND THE FLESH WITH THE FIRST EVER SOUL IN ADAM THE FIRST PERFECT MAN,CREATED ALL ANEWAND ADAM ACQUIRED INTELLECT! THE SOUL! THEREFORE A MEDIATOR, THROUGH THE WORD IN ORDER FOR GOD TO ABIDE WITHIN HIM! THE FIRST HOUSE OF GOD!
ALSO IN THE SAME WAY CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONLY MEDIATORS BETWEEN THE JEWS AND MUSLIMS RESPECTIVELY! RELIGION WISE!
ONLY A CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE IS POSSIBLE EITHER WITH A MUSLIM, OR WITH A JEW!
BUT NEVER A MUSLIM WITH A JEW! I STILL HAVE TO BE AWARE OF ONE!Quote 20 Amram married his father’s sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years. So Mystey over there.
YES SINCE SCRIPTURE IS NOT CLEAR REGARDING MOSES’ CONCEPTION, SINCE HIS MOTHER CALLED HIM GOODLY
SO IT WAS MORE LIKELY THAT MOSES’ MOTHER WAS CONCEIVED :
THROUGH A RAPE BY AN EGYPTIAN! BUT ALSO WITH AN INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! DUE TO THE FACT THAT ALL JEWISH WOMEN WERE DIVORCED SINCE THEY WERE ASKED TO KILL THEIR FIRSTBORN SON! ALSO THE BLOOD WAS MIXED LIKE THAT , GOOD AND EVIL MEDIATOR! LIKE JESUS WAS IN HIS SOUL!
THE SAME WHAT OCCURRED IN EVE’S CASE ! EVIL SPIRIT CAIN,AND GOOD SPIRIT ABEL, AND ALSO IN REBECCA’S CASE! BUT THESE REPRESENTED THE EVIL FLESH AND THE GOOD FLESH! ONLY ISAAC IS SINGLE SINCE HE REPRESENTED THE SOUL, CHRIST!
Quote Why do you think the word “knew” would need to be repeated each time? and AGAIN seem to b another time. But even if they were twins….?
YES THEY WERE TWINS SINCE SATAN OCCUPIED ADAM’S SOUL, THE WORD SUBSTANCE, THE FACT THAT HE KILLED ABEL WAS DEFINITELY TO ESTABLISH SATAN’S DOMINANCE ON HIS OWN AS THE FIRSTBORN EVIL SPIRIT! AND ALL FIRSTBORNS WERE BORN AUTOMATICALLY HIS!
YES IT IS A MUST FOR THE SAKE OF CERTAINTY, SO IT WAS PURPOSELY DONE SO TO REMAIN A MYSTERY!
SEARCH SCRIPTURES AND POST A SIMILAR SITUATION!
Quote Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. NO, Joseph was not an illegal Father
YES SINCE HE WAS NOT JESUS’ FATHER! YOU MUSLIMS, CARNAL MINDED RELIGION, BELEIVE THAT JESUS WAS AN ORDINARY MAN LIKE US! BUT SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR ,JESUS SAID:
I CAME FORTH FROM MY FATHER, and I AM FROM ABOVE, you are from beneath SO NOT THE SAME BOTH WHERE WE CAME FROM, AND WHAT WE ARE!
Quote Physical laws are spiritual laws BUT SPIRITUAL LAWS ARE NOT CARNAL LAWS!
YOU WILL NOT END UP IN JAIL BECAUSE YOU HATE A PERSON!
BUT YOU END UP IN HELL IF YOU DIE WITH HATRED IN YOUR HEART!
MOSES LAW WAS ESTABLISHED ONLY CARNAL WISE! PEOPLE IN THOSE DAYS WERE SPIRITUALLY DEAD!
SO SPIRITUAL LAWS NEVER COUNTED IN THE OT!
NOW READ YOUR OWN WORDS:
Quote His intentions were to prevent it from falling the question is why made him think it would fall? Why didn't he have faith? HIS ACTION WAS PHYSICAL, HE WAS CONVINCED THAT AN OBVIOUS PHYSICAL ACCIDENTS WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN UNLESS HE INTERVENES HE IGNORED THE PHYSICAL LAW DO NOT TOUCH THE ARK FAITH HAD NOTHING TO DO IN THIS REGARD! ONLY OBEDIENCE IN THE OT. SOMETHING WHICH EVEN TO DAY IS DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT NEVER MIND 4000 YEARS AGO! SO GOD PUNISHED HIM ONLY BECAUSE HE DIDN’T OBEY THE LAW: DO NOT TOUCH THE ARK YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING TO DAY! THE LAW WAS INSTITUTED WRONG, SINCE IT WAS ONLY CARNAL!
THE REASON THAT MOSES SMASHED THE LAWS!
THE JEWS NEVER BELIEVED THAT MOSES WOULD RETURN SINCE IT TOOK HIM 40 DAYS ON THE MOUNTAIN, AND WITHOUT FOOD, WHO WOULD ? SO THEY WANTED A GOD, THEY ACTED CARNALLY! THEY WANTED TO SATISFY THEIR FLESH CORRUPTED ATTRIBUTE!
JESUS CAME FOR THAT PURPOSE, TO PERFECT THE LAW!AND ESTABLISH SPIRITUAL LAWS!
Quote But you say in the day of Jesus things were different? Acts 5:1-10
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
5 But a certain man named Ananias,……………… thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5
And An
anias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these thingsThis is no different than th case with Uzzah/Oza because he was hired to be the driver not the caretaker.
YOU SPEAK LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE A MUSLIM !
ANANIAS,AND HIS WIFE LIED, THERE WAS NO NEED TO LIE, HE SHOULD HAVE SAID THE TRUTH AND GAVE HOW MUCH MONEY HE WANTED!THAT’S WHY PETER SAID TO HIM THAT IT WAS STILL HIS MONEY! HE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT SOMETHING WRONG FROM HAPPENING LIKE UZZAH DID! THERE WAS NOTHING GOOD IN ANANIAS CASE! JUST USELESS CARNAL EVIL HABIT LIES
Quote I'm sorry intention an action have been deleted Jesusactualy says:
Matthew 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:Matthew 5:28
but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.So he is saying intentions are paramount to actions
NO! NOT ONLY PARAMOUNT , BUT IF A PERSON WISHED TO GO WITH A PARTICULAR WOMAN, SPIRITUALLY IT IS THE SAME THING LIKE COMMITTING THE ACTION!
IT IS CLEAR: hath committed adultery with her ALREADY in his heart.
SO SPIRITUALLY HE HAD SINNED!
HE WON'T BE PUNISHED IN THIS WORLD, BUT IN THE NEXT, IN HIS SOUL!
Charles
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2013,18:30) Hi BD, But you also ignore the clear teachings of the bible where it says
Jesus was crucified and resurrected by the GOD of the bible YHVH.Ed (witness)
Obviously it is not ignored the issue was simply clarified is there any scripture in the Bible where God says “They killed my son”? Of course not! The Quran acknowledges the thought of those who thought they killed/Crucified JesusMatthew did not see a crucifixion, Luke did not see a Crucifixion, Mark did not see a crucifixion and John is the only one claiming to have seen a Crucifixion which if that is true the scriptures would be in error
Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.Mark 14:50
And they all forsook him, and fled.None of them saw a resurrection either nor did he claim to be a Ghost/Spirit or anything other than his regular self saying:
Luke 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.He does not claim to have transformed into something new nor had he ascended
John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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