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  • #350390
    carmel
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    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    You say Paul was right; and Paul said *CREATURE*.

    Wakeup,

    CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST CREATURE?

    #350392
    carmel
    Participant

    bodhitharta,July wrote:

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    BD,

    MOSES  IN EGYPTIAN  MEANS   GOD

    JESUS’ NAME EMANUEL  MEANS    GOD WITH US

    Pharaoh's daughter's name ,  who raised up Moses was:

    BatYa          in Hebrew means                                     Daughter of God

    MARY , His mother was also Daughter of God, since she was born through the intervention of the Holy Spirit! Her mother was barren, and very old!

    Moses was predicted to be born and overthrow a kingdom!

    Jesus was also predicted to be born and overthrow a kingdom!

    Moses had and illegal and an unknown father !

    Jesus had an illegal and an unknown father!

    Moses had a mysterious illegal  birth!

    Jesus had a mysterious illegal birth!

    When Moses was born his mother realized that he was   Goodly  and godly

    When Jesus was born his mother realized that he was GOODLY and GODLY

    When Moses was born he was threatened !

    When Jesus was born he was threatened!

    When Moses was born he was the FIRST from the LAST marriage, and the LAST from the FIRST marriage!

    When Jesus was born he was first and  last !

    Moses was rejected by the Jews many times!

    Jesus was rejected by the Jews many times!

    Moses had a mysterious death!

    Jesus had a mysterious death!

    Moses died and was buried outside Jerusalem!

    Jesus died and was buried outside Jerusalem!

    Moses was god on earth by GOD!

    Jesus was GOD on earth by GOD!

    Moses battled with god of the earth! On his way to free the Jews!

    Jesus battled with god of the earth! On his way to free humanity!

    MOSES and JESUS both were:

    JEWS, TEACHERS, PROPHETS, JUDGES, MEDIATORS BETWEEN GOD AND MAN,GOD’S SERVANTS, LIBERATORS,LAW ESTABLISHERS, LAW REFORMERS, MIRACLE PERFORMERS!

    CHARLES

    #350414
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 11 2013,03:32)

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    You say Paul was right; and Paul said *CREATURE*.

    Wakeup,

    CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST CREATURE?


    Carmel.

    You are answering a question with a question?
    I asked you first; IS JESUS A CREATURE AS PAUL SAYS?
    ANYONE WITH KNOWLEDGE CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

    wakeup.

    #350422
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    It appears that “the creature” in Romans 1:25 is reference to Jesus; what say you?
    Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
    the creature(Jesus) MORE than the Creator(YHVH), who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      If “A STOCK” means “A CROSS” then the idea
      in Romans 1:25 goes back to and lines up this:

    “shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?” (Isaiah 44:19)
    “Saying to a stock, Thou art my father;” (Jeremiah 2:27)
    “Is there not A LIE in my right hand?”  (Isaiah 44:20)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #350425
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ July 11 2013,10:51)
    Hi Wakeup,

    It appears that “the creature” in Romans 1:25 is reference to Jesus; what say you?
    Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
    the creature(Jesus) MORE than the Creator(YHVH), who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      If “A STOCK” means “A CROSS” then the idea
      in Romans 1:25 goes back to and lines up this:

    “shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?” (Isaiah 44:19)
    “Saying to a stock, Thou art my father;” (Jeremiah 2:27)
    “Is there not A LIE in my right hand?”  (Isaiah 44:20)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    You are just groping in the dark,
    not knowing the true answer.
    I leave it to the men of wisdom here first,
    then I will tell you.

    wakeup.

    #350433
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 11 2013,03:20)

    bodhitharta,July wrote:

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    Why does God say that HE created ALONE with NO ONE ELSE besides HIM?

    BD,

    THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE STILL DIDN'T FUNCTION IN MORE THAN ONE!

    YOU KNOW THAT THE EARTHWORM IS ONE, BUT HAS BOTH SEX ORGANS THEREFORE HE IS BOTH A MALE AND A FEMALE

    DID IT OCCUR TO YOU THAT GOD ALSO IS BOTH MALE AND FEMALE?

    SINCE HE CREATED HIM:IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, BOTH  MALE AND FEMALE!

    WHO CAN DISCERN WHAT GOD IS ?

    EXPLAIN HOW GOD ALTHOUGH IS ONE HE IS IN ALL CREATURES!

    SO GOD IN ORDER TO BE ONE HE OPTED TO BE MANY AS WELL!

    HE CAN I SUPPOSE!

    CHARLES


    Genders are physical attributes for the main purpose of reproduction and I'm sure other reasons as well.
    God is very adamant about HIM being ONE.

    This is not a point about how he functions it is literallyabout
    God being Sovereign. He has no partners ALL to him are servants and creations.

    Deuteronomy 4:35
    You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is no other.

    #350473
    carmel
    Participant

    bodhitharta,July wrote:

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    You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is no other.

    BD,

    Do you know that you are not capable to do

    NOT A SINGLE THING ALONE, BY YOURSELF, AND REMAIN ONE!

    Although you would be alone! ALL BY YOURSELF

    Do you also know that when God created his creatures

    HE WAS ALONE, AND ONE  AND HE REMAINED ALONE AND ONE, AND HE ALSO REMAIN ALONE AND ONE FOR ETERNITY NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE CREATED THE ENTIRE CREATION

    CHARLES

    #350475
    carmel
    Participant

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST CREATURE?

    WAKEUP,

    YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION!

    THE SON'S SPIRIT THE WORD IS THE TRIUNE GOD!

    HE IS NOT A CREATURE  CLEAR!

    BUT HE CREATED THE VERY FIRST EVER CREATURE!

    HE WAS  WITHIN THAT VERY FIRST EVER CREATURE!

    SO HIS SPIRIT WAS NOT CREATED,

    HE WAS ALWAYS ETERNAL WITH THE FATHER

    BUT THE CREATURE  WAS,

    BUT SINCE THE SPIRIT OF THE   WORD  WAS WITHIN THAT CREATURE TO GIVE IT LIFE, AND SUSTAIN IT, OBVIOUS :

    THE WORD BECAME THE VERY FIRST MATTER!REGARDING OUR WORLD!

    SO HE BECAME THE FIRSTBORN  OF THAT PARTICULAR CREATURE:   MATTER

    NOW!

    WHAT IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS THAT PARTICULAR FIRST EVER CEEATURE!MATTER!

    AND ALL OUR CREATION ORIGINATED THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR FIRSTBORN :

    SPIRITUALLY WE KNOW THAT IT WAS THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD, THE SON'S SPIRIT

    BUT MATERIALLY YOU SHOULD KNOW AS WELL!

    IN FACT REGARDING ITS ENTITY IT WAS A VERY SIMPLE WORLDLY ELEMENT!

    Peace and love in  Jesus

    Charles

    #350482
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 11 2013,17:24)

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST CREATURE?

    WAKEUP,

    YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION!

    THE SON'S SPIRIT THE WORD IS THE TRIUNE GOD!

    HE IS NOT A CREATURE  CLEAR!

    BUT HE CREATED THE VERY FIRST EVER CREATURE!

    HE WAS  WITHIN THAT VERY FIRST EVER CREATURE!

    SO HIS SPIRIT WAS NOT CREATED,

    HE WAS ALWAYS ETERNAL WITH THE FATHER

    BUT THE CREATURE  WAS,

    BUT SINCE THE SPIRIT OF THE   WORD  WAS WITHIN THAT CREATURE TO GIVE IT LIFE, AND SUSTAIN IT, OBVIOUS :

    THE WORD BECAME THE VERY FIRST MATTER!REGARDING OUR WORLD!

    SO HE BECAME THE FIRSTBORN  OF THAT PARTICULAR CREATURE:   MATTER

    NOW!

    WHAT IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE WAS THAT PARTICULAR FIRST EVER CEEATURE!MATTER!

    AND ALL OUR CREATION ORIGINATED THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR FIRSTBORN :

    SPIRITUALLY WE KNOW THAT IT WAS THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD, THE SON'S SPIRIT

    BUT MATERIALLY YOU SHOULD KNOW AS WELL!

    IN FACT REGARDING ITS ENTITY IT WAS A VERY SIMPLE WORLDLY ELEMENT!

    Peace and love in  Jesus

    Charles


    Carmel.

    John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but **he that *came down* from heaven**, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    He had glory with the Father before the world was.

    Is he a creature?

    wakeup.

    #350494
    carmel
    Participant

    Ed wrote:

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    It appears that “the creature” in Romans 1:25 is reference to Jesus; what say you?
    Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
    the creature(Jesus) MORE than the Creator(YHVH), who is blessed for ever. Amen.      

    Edj,

    Read and reflect:

    Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God  SATAN is revealed from heaven THROUGH JESUS, THE WORD MADE FLESH  against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: INORING THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS GOD IN FLESH

    19Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. LIFE IN THEIR OWN BODIES For God hath manifested it unto them.THE ENTIRE HUMAN  REDEMPTION FROM THE EVIL SPIRIT.  

    20For the invisible things of him, HIS SPIRIT , AS THE WORD THE TRIUNE GOD from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood EVIDENT  by the things that are made;THE WORD MADE FLESH , his eternal power also, WHEN HE MANIFESTED ALL THOSE MIRACLES  and divinity: HIS RESURRECTION so that they are inexcusable.

    21Because that, when they knew God, JESUS ON EARTH  they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

    23And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God IN CHRIST  into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things.

    THEY NEVER ACCEPTED THAT WITHIN THE BODY OF CHRIST, THERE WAS GOD!

    24Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.THEREFORE  GOD GAVE THEM WHAT THEY BELIEVED IN ,AND DISHONOURED THEIR OWN BODIES, SINCE THEY NEVER BELIEVED THAT THE MAN JESUS WAS IN FACT THE BODY  OF THE GODHEAD LIKE THEIRS

     25Who changed the truth of God into a lie; OBVIOUS SIMPLY ORDINARY HUMAN and worshipped and served the creature THEIR EXTERNAL VISIBLE FLESH BODY rather than the Creator, THE WORD, AND THE WORD MADE FLESH  WITHIN THEMSELVES who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    TODAY WE ARE STILL DOING THE SAME THING IGNORING THE FACT THAT WITHIN US AND IN THE ENTIRE CREATION THERE’S THE SON’S SPIRIT, THE WORD, THE TRIUNE GOD AND WE ADORE MORE WHAT IS VISIBLE, MATERIAL,IN GENERAL ESPECIALLY OUR BODY   THAN THE INVISIBLE, SPIRITUAL GOD IN US

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #350496
    carmel
    Participant

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    Is he a creature?

    Wakeup,

    I already answered that HE IS NOT A CREATURE!

    HE LOWERED HIMSELF AND BECAME IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!

    NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE WAS SO, HE NEVER LOST HIS DIVINITY, HE REMAINED DIVINE.

    even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    NOTICE THE PRESENT: WHICH IS IN HEAVEN!

    SO  WHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH, HE WAS ALSO IN HEAVEN! DIVINE!

    EVEN WHILE HE WAS IN THE TOMB HE STILL REMAINED DIVINE! HE REMAINED ONE WITH HIS FATHER! HE NEVER DIED LIKE HUMANS DO!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #350525
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 12 2013,05:57)

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    Is he a creature?

    Wakeup,

    I already answered that HE IS NOT A CREATURE!

    HE LOWERED HIMSELF AND BECAME IN ALL THINGS LIKE HIS BRETHREN!

    NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT HE WAS SO, HE NEVER LOST HIS DIVINITY, HE REMAINED DIVINE.

    even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    NOTICE THE PRESENT: WHICH IS IN HEAVEN!

    SO  WHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH, HE WAS ALSO IN HEAVEN! DIVINE!

    EVEN WHILE HE WAS IN THE TOMB HE STILL REMAINED DIVINE! HE REMAINED ONE WITH HIS FATHER! HE NEVER DIED LIKE HUMANS DO!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Carmel.

    You said; he is not a creature.
    Therefore contradicting Pauls statement,
    for he says creature?

    Is Paul wrong, and you are right?

    wakeup.

    #350575
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 11 2013,05:27)

    bodhitharta,July wrote:

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    BD,

    MOSES  IN EGYPTIAN  MEANS   GOD

    JESUS’ NAME EMANUEL  MEANS    GOD WITH US

    Pharaoh's daughter's name ,  who raised up Moses was:

    BatYa          in Hebrew means                                     Daughter of God

    MARY , His mother was also Daughter of God, since she was born through the intervention of the Holy Spirit! Her mother was barren, and very old!

    Moses was predicted to be born and overthrow a kingdom!

    Jesus was also predicted to be born and overthrow a kingdom!

    Moses had and illegal and an unknown father !

    Jesus had an illegal and an unknown father!

    Moses had a mysterious illegal  birth!

    Jesus had a mysterious illegal birth!

    When Moses was born his mother realized that he was   Goodly  and godly

    When Jesus was born his mother realized that he was GOODLY and GODLY

    When Moses was born he was threatened !

    When Jesus was born he was threatened!

    When Moses was born he was the FIRST from the LAST marriage, and the LAST from the FIRST marriage!

    When Jesus was born he was first and  last !

    Moses was rejected by the Jews many times!

    Jesus was rejected by the Jews many times!

    Moses had a mysterious death!

    Jesus had a mysterious death!

    Moses died and was buried outside Jerusalem!

    Jesus died and was buried outside Jerusalem!

    Moses was god on earth by GOD!

    Jesus was GOD on earth by GOD!

    Moses battled with god of the earth! On his way to free the Jews!

    Jesus battled with god of the earth! On his way to free humanity!

    MOSES and JESUS both were:

    JEWS, TEACHERS, PROPHETS, JUDGES, MEDIATORS BETWEEN GOD AND MAN,GOD’S SERVANTS, LIBERATORS,LAW ESTABLISHERS, LAW REFORMERS, MIRACLE PERFORMERS!

    CHARLES


    Moses \m(o)-ses\ as a boy's name is pronounced MOH-ziz. It is of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Moses is “saviour”.

    Jesus means “GOD Saves”

    Mary was not the Daughter of God no will you show any such scripture.

    Moses did technically overthrow a Kingdom an s dd Muhammd

    Jesusdi not overthrow any Kingdom if so whatKingdom di h Overthrow?

    How did Jesus have an illegal Father?
    How did Moses have a mysterious birth?

    Moses was orphaned and s was Muhammed

    Moses, Jesus an Muhammad was rejected. However me no mistake Jesus was accepted by the People it was th leaders that despised because of his OVERWHELMING Popularity

    Moses did not have a mysterious death

    Jesus did not establish Law

    #350593
    carmel
    Participant

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    You said; he is not a creature.
    Therefore contradicting Pauls statement,
    for he says creature?

    Wakeup,

    PAUL NEVER MEANT THAT THE WORD CREATURE WAS A REFERENCE TO JESUS!

    YOU ARE APPLYING IT WRONGLY!

    IF YOU ARE CONVINCED POST AND EXPLAIN LIKE I DID

    NOW READ:

    John1:14 And the Word was made flesh,……….

    As you can read John used the word MADE not created!

    Also notice:

    Genesis 2: And he blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God CREATED AND MADE

    SO SCRIPTURE MADE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CREATED AND MADE!

    SO SINCE JOHN USED THE WORD MADE IT IS CLEAR THAT JESUS WAS NEVER CREATED!

    AGAIN:

    John 8:42 ………………for I proceeded forth and came from God; ………………..

    SO PROCEEDED FORTH AND CAME!

    SO NOT CREATED, THEREFORE: HE IS NOT A CREATURE

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #350610
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 13 2013,04:41)

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    You said; he is not a creature.
    Therefore contradicting Pauls statement,
    for he says creature?

    Wakeup,

    PAUL NEVER MEANT THAT THE WORD CREATURE WAS A REFERENCE TO JESUS!

    YOU ARE APPLYING IT WRONGLY!

    IF YOU ARE CONVINCED POST AND EXPLAIN LIKE I DID

    NOW READ:

    John1:14 And the Word was made flesh,……….

    As you can read John used the word MADE not created!

    Also notice:

    Genesis 2: And he blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God CREATED AND MADE

    SO SCRIPTURE MADE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CREATED AND MADE!

    SO SINCE JOHN USED THE WORD MADE IT IS CLEAR THAT JESUS WAS NEVER CREATED!

    AGAIN:

    John 8:42 ………………for I proceeded forth and came from God; ………………..

    SO PROCEEDED FORTH AND CAME!

    SO NOT CREATED, THEREFORE: HE IS NOT A CREATURE

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Carmel.

    Was not jesus born like you and everyone?
    Or was he formed out of the dust?
    Did he not call himself THE SON OF MAN?

    wakeup.

    #350629
    carmel
    Participant

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    Was not jesus born like you and everyone?

    Wakeup,

    READ:

    Matthew 1:18Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child,

    OF THE HOLY GHOST.

    NOW WAS HE CONCEIVED LIKE US ?   NO!

    THEREFORE WAS HE BORN LIKE US?   I BELIEVE NO!

    OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONCEIVED LIKE US!

    JESUS, THE WORD MADE FLESH BODY WAS CARNAL THROUGH GOD'S INTERVENTION!

    HUMAN'S FLESH BODY WAS CARNAL THROUGH SATAN'S INTERVENTION! AFTER ADAM SINNED!

    WE WERE ORIGINATED FROM THE DEVIL'S DUST! AND ENDED INTO EVIL DUST AFTER SIN!

    JESUS ORIGINATED THROUGHOUT FROM HEAVEN, ALMIGHTY GOD!

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #350631
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 13 2013,17:48)

    Wakeup,July wrote:

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    Was not jesus born like you and everyone?

    Wakeup,

    READ:

    Matthew 1:18Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child,

    OF THE HOLY GHOST.

    NOW WAS HE CONCEIVED LIKE US ?   NO!

    THEREFORE WAS HE BORN LIKE US?   I BELIEVE NO!

    OTHERWISE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONCEIVED LIKE US!

    JESUS, THE WORD MADE FLESH BODY WAS CARNAL THROUGH GOD'S INTERVENTION!

    HUMAN'S FLESH BODY WAS CARNAL THROUGH SATAN'S INTERVENTION! AFTER ADAM SINNED!

    WE WERE ORIGINATED FROM THE DEVIL'S DUST! AND ENDED INTO EVIL DUST AFTER SIN!

    JESUS ORIGINATED THROUGHOUT FROM HEAVEN, ALMIGHTY GOD!

    peace and love in Jesus

    Charles


    Carmel.

    The only difference is:
    1.Jesus was born by *the will of God*.
    We are born by the will of our Mum and Dad.

    2.The Holy spirit was with Jesus since he was conceived.

    3. He never sinned;he was pure,without blemish.

    4.But he came out of a woman like any other baby.

    5. He was made flesh;and therefore a creature.

    6. Angels are also creatures.

    7.Jesus was the first resurrected from the dead;there was no one before him resurrected from the dead,and made spirit.

    8. He was the first born of every creature.

    9. When he was born of the flesh; **he was flesh**;
    When he was **born again** of the spirit; he is spirit.
    like the wind.(john3:6.7.8.).

    1.BORN FLESH: 2.BORN *AGAIN* SPIRIT.

    NOW YOU KNOW WHAT **BORN AGAIN** REALLY IS.
    IT IS NOT BABTISM AT ALL; AS PREACHED FOR TWO THOUSAND YEARS.

    wakeup.

    #350792
    carmel
    Participant

    bodhitharta,July wrote:

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    Moses \m(o)-ses\ as a boy's name is pronounced MOH-ziz. It is of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Moses is “saviour”.

    BD,

    Moses name was given by the pharaoh's daughter,

    SO THE JEWISH MEANING OF THE NAME “MOSES” HAS NO SIGINFCATION AT ALL, IN FACT NO ONE KNOWS HIS JEWISH NAME WHICH HIS MOTHER GAVE HIM!

    SO THE FACT THAT THE PHARAO’S  DAUGHTER  GAVE HIM  A JEWISH NAME, AND THAT JEWISH NAME “MOSES”HAS BOTH AN  EGYPTIAN MEANING
    OF  GOD AND A JEWISH MEANING AS “SAVIOUR”  IT IS MORE EVIDENT THAT MOSES WAS A GODLY PERSON, AND BORN THROUGH A DIRECT INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ORDER TO CONFIRM THAT   MOSES WAS A PERFECT IMAGE OF CHRIST

    SINCE BOTH MOSES AND JESUS WERE   JEWISH, GODS IN FLESH, AND  SAVIOURS NOT ONLY THAT BUT AS YOU SAID: JESUS’NAME COVERS BOTH MOSES MEANINGS JAHSHUAH IS GOD SAVES!

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    JESUS’ NAME EMMANUEL  MEANS    GOD WITH US

    Matthew 1:23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.

    HAPPY!

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    MARY , His mother was also Daughter of God, since she was born through the intervention of the Holy Spirit! Her mother was barren, and very old!

    Mary was not the Daughter of God no will you show any such scripture


    READ:

    Song of Songs 4:12 – “A garden ENCLOSED( EVER VIRGIN) is my SISTER, my SPOUSE;

    SISTER DEFINITELY OF JESUS! AS MAN THERFORE DUGHTER OF GOD

    SPOUSE DEFINITELY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    SO MARY WAS THE ONLY CREATURE:

    CREATED  TO BE A SPOUSE, A DAUGHTER ,AND A MOTHER! DUE TO HER RELATIONS WITH GOD!

    THIS IS ALSO DEMONSTRATED SYMBOLICALLY BY Abraham, and Sarah, she was both his sister and his wife, WHEN YOU REFLECT ABRAHAM ,ISACC, AND JACOB/ISRAEL, ARE SYMBOLS FOR

    THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT!

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    How did Moses have a mysterious birth?

    Exodus 2:1After this there went a man of the house of Levi; and took a wife of his own kindred.

    2:2 And she conceived, and bore a son;

    NOTICE: SCRIPTURE  NEVER MENTIONED THAT HE KNEW HER BUT ONLY THAT SHE CONCEIVED AND BORE A SON!

    NOW READ REGARDING JESUS,  ISAIAH 7:14…………. Behold, a virgin shall CONCEIVE, AND BEAR A SON, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    PERFECTLY THE SAME! except that Moses’mother never mentioned what name she gave him!

    NOW READ GENESIS 4:1 And Adam  KNEW  Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, ……….. 4:2 And  AGAIN  she brought forth his brother Abel.

    NOTICE: ONLY ONCE ADAM KNEW EVE, SO EVE HAD A TWINS!

    Also scripture never says WHY HE SENT HER AWAY AND REMARRIED HER AGAIN!

    SO THE FACT THAT HE DID SO WAS ILLEGAL!AS A PRIEST!

    And WAS ALSO ILLEGAL SINCE THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT HE DIDN’T CONCEIVE HER!

    SO HE WAS ILLEGALLY MARRIED!

    THEREFORE ILLEGAL FATHER!

    ALSO:

    EXODUS 2:19 They answered: A MAN OF EGYPT delivered us from the hands of the shepherds:…………………..

    HOW DID THEY CONCLUDE THAT MOSES WAS AN EGYPTIAN?

    SO  A MYSTERIOUS BIRTH! SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY COMPLICATIONS!

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    How did Jesus have an illegal Father?[/B]

    Matthew 1:When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19Whereupon Joseph her HUSBAND , being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately

    SO  JOSEPH WAS NOT HIS FATHER !

    THEREFORE, SINCE JOSEPH WAS ALREADY MARRIED TO MARY, AND DIDN’T CONCEIVE HER,  THEREFORE  AN ILLEGAL FATHER!

    Moses did not have a mysterious death

    Deuteronomy 34:And the Lord said to him: This is the land, for which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying: I will give it to thy seed. Thou hast seen it with thy eyes, and shalt not pass over to it. 5And Moses the servant of the Lord died there, in the land of Moab, by

    THE COMMANDMENT OF THE LORD:

    6And HE BURIED HIM in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre until this present day.

    AS YOU CAN READ NO ONE KNEW THAT MOSES DIED!

    SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT GOD TOOK HIM TO SHOW HIM ALL THE PROMISED LAND, AND AFTER THAT HE HIMSELF BURIED HIM! 1ST MYSTERY

    NOW READ:

    JOSHUA 1:2 Moses my servant IS DEAD:……………

    SO ONLY GOD KNEW HOW, WHEN, AND WERE MOSES ENDED! 2ND MYSTERY!

    SO IT WAS A MYSTERIOUS DEATH!

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    Jesus did not establish Law

    John 15:10 If you keep

    MY COMMANDMENTS WHAT ARE THESE COMMANDMENTS?

    , you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love.  SPIRITUAL LAWS!

    JESUS DID NOT OBEY MOSES COMMANDMENTS, CARNALY SINCE MOSES LAWS WERE CONCERNED ONLY REGARDING THE ACTIONS AND NOT THE INTENTIONS!

    SO THE DIFFERENCE IS :

    WHILE IN THE OT. HUMANS WERE JUSTIFIED THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS ONLY! SINCE THE SOUL WAS DEAD!

    IN THE NT. HUMANS WOULD BE JUSTIFIED THROUGH THEIR INTENTIONS, OBVIOUS SINCE JESUS ESTABLISHED THE SPIRITUAL INTENTIONAL LAWS! AND GAVE LIFE TO ALL SOULS WHILE HE  SPIRITUALIZED  HIS FLESH BODY,SINCE HE  LIVED A FULLY  PERFECT SPIRITUAL LIFE ON EARTH! THEREFORE DESTROYED HIS OWN FLESH BODY THROUGHOUT!

    THE CARNAL LAWS WOULD BE FULLY JUSTIFIED ON OUR DEATH, THEN THE SOUL RECEIVES LIFE, ACCORDINGLY IN CHRIST!

    Now read this PARTICULAR event, as proof that god was only interested in the ACTION, not in the INTENTIONS

    And when they came to the floor of Chidon,

    OZA PUT FORTH HIS HAND, TO HOLD UP THE ARK:

    : for the ox being wanton had made it

    LEAN A LITTLE  on one side.

    10And the Lord was angry with Oza, and STRUCK  him, because he had TOUCHED the ark; and he DIED there before the Lord…………….

    SO ALTHOUGH OZA’S INTENTIONS WERE GOOD, SINCE HE WANTED TO PREVENT IT FROM FALLING!

    god OF THE WORLD SATAN, ACCUSED OZA INFRONT OF GOD SO  HE ALLOWED HIM, AND KILLED HIM!

    NOW READ JESUS' NEW LAW!.

    2And they watched him whether he would heal on the sabbath days;

    4And he saith to them: Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy?

    THERE ARE ENOUGH SI
    MILAR EVIDENCES  REGARDING JESUS’ SPIRITUAL GOOD INTENTIONAL LAWS!

    ALSO SINCE THEY ARE SPIRITUAL LAWS, THEY CANNOT BE WRITTEN, BUT THOUGHT, AND EXPLANED

    Charles

    #350799
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 15 2013,17:41)

    bodhitharta,July wrote:

    [/quote]

    Quote
    Moses \m(o)-ses\ as a boy's name is pronounced MOH-ziz. It is of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Moses is “saviour”.

    BD,

    Moses name was given by the pharaoh's daughter,

    SO THE JEWISH MEANING OF THE NAME “MOSES” HAS NO SIGINFCATION AT ALL, IN FACT NO ONE KNOWS HIS JEWISH NAME WHICH HIS MOTHER GAVE HIM!

    SO THE FACT THAT THE PHARAO’S  DAUGHTER  GAVE HIM  A JEWISH NAME, AND THAT JEWISH NAME “MOSES”HAS BOTH AN  EGYPTIAN MEANING
    OF  GOD AND A JEWISH MEANING AS “SAVIOUR”  IT IS MORE EVIDENT THAT MOSES WAS A GODLY PERSON, AND BORN THROUGH A DIRECT INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ORDER TO CONFIRM THAT   MOSES WAS A PERFECT IMAGE OF CHRIST

    SINCE BOTH MOSES AND JESUS WERE   JEWISH, GODS IN FLESH, AND  SAVIOURS NOT ONLY THAT BUT AS YOU SAID: JESUS’NAME COVERS BOTH MOSES MEANINGS JAHSHUAH IS GOD SAVES!

    Quote
    JESUS’ NAME EMMANUEL  MEANS    GOD WITH US

    Matthew 1:23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.

    HAPPY!

    Quote
    MARY , His mother was also Daughter of God, since she was born through the intervention of the Holy Spirit! Her mother was barren, and very old!

    Mary was not the Daughter of God no will you show any such scripture


    READ:

    Song of Songs 4:12 – “A garden ENCLOSED( EVER VIRGIN) is my SISTER, my SPOUSE;

    SISTER DEFINITELY OF JESUS! AS MAN THERFORE DUGHTER OF GOD

    SPOUSE DEFINITELY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    SO MARY WAS THE ONLY CREATURE:

    CREATED  TO BE A SPOUSE, A DAUGHTER ,AND A MOTHER! DUE TO HER RELATIONS WITH GOD!

    THIS IS ALSO DEMONSTRATED SYMBOLICALLY BY Abraham, and Sarah, she was both his sister and his wife, WHEN YOU REFLECT ABRAHAM ,ISACC, AND JACOB/ISRAEL, ARE SYMBOLS FOR

    THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    Quote
    How did Moses have a mysterious birth?

    Exodus 2:1After this there went a man of the house of Levi; and took a wife of his own kindred.

    2:2 And she conceived, and bore a son;

    NOTICE: SCRIPTURE  NEVER MENTIONED THAT HE KNEW HER BUT ONLY THAT SHE CONCEIVED AND BORE A SON!

    NOW READ REGARDING JESUS,  ISAIAH 7:14…………. Behold, a virgin shall CONCEIVE, AND BEAR A SON, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    PERFECTLY THE SAME! except that Moses’mother never mentioned what name she gave him!

    NOW READ GENESIS 4:1 And Adam  KNEW  Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, ……….. 4:2 And  AGAIN  she brought forth his brother Abel.

    NOTICE: ONLY ONCE ADAM KNEW EVE, SO EVE HAD A TWINS!

    Also scripture never says WHY HE SENT HER AWAY AND REMARRIED HER AGAIN!

    SO THE FACT THAT HE DID SO WAS ILLEGAL!AS A PRIEST!

    And WAS ALSO ILLEGAL SINCE THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT HE DIDN’T CONCEIVE HER!

    SO HE WAS ILLEGALLY MARRIED!

    THEREFORE ILLEGAL FATHER!

    ALSO:

    EXODUS 2:19 They answered: A MAN OF EGYPT delivered us from the hands of the shepherds:…………………..

    HOW DID THEY CONCLUDE THAT MOSES WAS AN EGYPTIAN?

    SO  A MYSTERIOUS BIRTH! SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY COMPLICATIONS!

    Quote
    How did Jesus have an illegal Father?[/B]

    Matthew 1:When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19Whereupon Joseph her HUSBAND , being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately

    SO  JOSEPH WAS NOT HIS FATHER !

    THEREFORE, SINCE JOSEPH WAS ALREADY MARRIED TO MARY, AND DIDN’T CONCEIVE HER,  THEREFORE  AN ILLEGAL FATHER!

    Moses did not have a mysterious death

    Deuteronomy 34:And the Lord said to him: This is the land, for which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying: I will give it to thy seed. Thou hast seen it with thy eyes, and shalt not pass over to it. 5And Moses the servant of the Lord died there, in the land of Moab, by

    THE COMMANDMENT OF THE LORD:

    6And HE BURIED HIM in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre until this present day.

    AS YOU CAN READ NO ONE KNEW THAT MOSES DIED!

    SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT GOD TOOK HIM TO SHOW HIM ALL THE PROMISED LAND, AND AFTER THAT HE HIMSELF BURIED HIM! 1ST MYSTERY

    NOW READ:

    JOSHUA 1:2 Moses my servant IS DEAD:……………

    SO ONLY GOD KNEW HOW, WHEN, AND WERE MOSES ENDED! 2ND MYSTERY!

    SO IT WAS A MYSTERIOUS DEATH!

    Quote
    Jesus did not establish Law

    John 15:10 If you keep

    MY COMMANDMENTS WHAT ARE THESE COMMANDMENTS?

    , you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love.  SPIRITUAL LAWS!

    JESUS DID NOT OBEY MOSES COMMANDMENTS, CARNALY SINCE MOSES LAWS WERE CONCERNED ONLY REGARDING THE ACTIONS AND NOT THE INTENTIONS!

    SO THE DIFFERENCE IS :

    WHILE IN THE OT. HUMANS WERE JUSTIFIED THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS ONLY! SINCE THE SOUL WAS DEAD!

    IN THE NT. HUMANS WOULD BE JUSTIFIED THROUGH THEIR INTENTIONS, OBVIOUS SINCE JESUS ESTABLISHED THE SPIRITUAL INTENTIONAL LAWS! AND GAVE LIFE TO ALL SOULS WHILE HE  SPIRITUALIZED  HIS FLESH BODY,SINCE HE  LIVED A FULLY  PERFECT SPIRITUAL LIFE ON EARTH! THEREFORE DESTROYED HIS OWN FLESH BODY THROUGHOUT!

    THE CARNAL LAWS WOULD BE FULLY JUSTIFIED ON OUR DEATH, THEN THE SOUL RECEIVES LIFE, ACCORDINGLY IN CHRIST!

    Now read this PARTICULAR event, as proof that god was only interested in the ACTION, not in the INTENTIONS

    And when they came to the floor of Chidon,

    OZA PUT FORTH HIS HAND, TO HOLD UP THE ARK:

    : for the ox being wanton had made it

    LEAN A LITTLE  on one side.

    10And the Lord was angry with Oza, and STRUCK  him, because he had TOUCHED the ark; and he DIED there before the Lord…………….

    SO ALTHOUGH OZA’S INTENTIONS WERE GOOD, SINCE HE WANTED TO PREVENT IT FROM FALLING!

    god OF THE WORLD SATAN, ACCUSED OZA INFRONT OF GOD SO  HE ALLOWED HIM, AND KILLED HIM!

    NOW READ JESUS' NEW LAW!.

    2And t
    hey watched him whether he would heal on the sabbath days;

    4And he saith to them: Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy?

    THERE ARE ENOUGH SIMILAR EVIDENCES  REGARDING JESUS’ SPIRITUAL GOOD INTENTIONAL LAWS!

    ALSO SINCE THEY ARE SPIRITUAL LAWS, THEY CANNOT BE WRITTEN, BUT THOUGHT, AND EXPLANED

    Charles


    Carmel.

    For your information about the body of Moses.

    Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when *contending* with the devil he disputed about the **body of Moses**, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

    wakeup.

    #350826
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (carmel @ July 15 2013,17:41)


    Quote

    BD,

    Moses name was given by the pharaoh's daughter,

    SO THE JEWISH MEANING OF THE NAME “MOSES” HAS NO SIGINFCATION AT ALL, IN FACT NO ONE KNOWS HIS JEWISH NAME WHICH HIS MOTHER GAVE HIM!

    SO THE FACT THAT THE PHARAO’S DAUGHTER GAVE HIM A JEWISH NAME, AND THAT JEWISH NAME “MOSES”HAS BOTH AN EGYPTIAN MEANING
    OF GOD AND A JEWISH MEANING AS “SAVIOUR” IT IS MORE EVIDENT THAT MOSES WAS A GODLY PERSON, AND BORN THROUGH A DIRECT INTERVENTION BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ORDER TO CONFIRM THAT MOSES WAS A PERFECT IMAGE OF CHRIST

    Yes, Moses was a Saviour and Godly obviously, no argument there

    Quote
    SINCE BOTH MOSES AND JESUS WERE JEWISH, GODS IN FLESH, AND SAVIOURS NOT ONLY THAT BUT AS YOU SAID: JESUS’NAME COVERS BOTH MOSES MEANINGS JAHSHUAH IS GOD SAVES!

    Yes, God saves but you have something wrong here Moses was not Jewish nor was he from the tribe of Judah nor does theword Moses in egypt mean God it implies the word meaning “born” or “child”. relating to the MS in egyptian language. Also yourbiggest ERROR is these peopleare not gods in a literal sense unless you deny th BASIC ENTIRE SHEMA of ISRAEL: “Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is one,”

    Quote

    Matthew 1:23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.

    This does not mean Jesus was God at all if it did the scripture would not say:

    Acts 10:38
    how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

    Also as a child

    Luke 2:52
    And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

    If Jesus as “God” in any way how would he need to grow in favor with God?

    Quote
    HAPPY!

    READ:

    Song of Songs 4:12 – “A garden ENCLOSED( EVER VIRGIN) is my SISTER, my SPOUSE;

    SISTER DEFINITELY OF JESUS! AS MAN THERFORE DUGHTER OF GOD

    SPOUSE DEFINITELY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    SO MARY WAS THE ONLY CREATURE:

    CREATED TO BE A SPOUSE, A DAUGHTER ,AND A MOTHER! DUE TO HER RELATIONS WITH GOD!

    Mary did not have RELATIONS with God are you even serious?

    This is Blasphemous talk you speak:

    To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.

    ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #101)

    I hope wake up reads this so he can see why the Quran clarifies such thinking, you see if you start calling Jesus “son of God” in a literal sense this is what you get, people supposing RELATIONS between God and HIS creation

    Quote

    THIS IS ALSO DEMONSTRATED SYMBOLICALLY BY Abraham, and Sarah, she was both his sister and his wife, WHEN YOU REFLECT ABRAHAM ,ISACC, AND JACOB/ISRAEL, ARE SYMBOLS FOR

    THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT!

    No, that absolutely makes no sense but since you bring up Abraham an symbolism consider the fact that Abraham did not kill his own son God gave him a substitute but yet you believe what was good for Abraham was not good enough for God Almighty

    Quote

    Quote
    How did Moses have a mysterious birth?

    Exodus 2:1After this there went a man of the house of Levi; and took a wife of his own kindred.

    2:2 And she conceived, and bore a son;

    NOTICE: SCRIPTURE NEVER MENTIONED THAT HE KNEW HER BUT ONLY THAT SHE CONCEIVED AND BORE A SON!

    Exodus 6:20

    New International Version (NIV)

    20 Amram married his father’s sister Jochebed, who bore him Aaron and Moses. Amram lived 137 years.

    So Mystey over there.

    Quote
    NOW READ REGARDING JESUS, ISAIAH 7:14…………. Behold, a virgin shall CONCEIVE, AND BEAR A SON, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    PERFECTLY THE SAME! except that Moses’mother never mentioned what name she gave him!

    NOW READ GENESIS 4:1 And Adam KNEW Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain, ……….. 4:2 And AGAIN she brought forth his brother Abel.

    NOTICE: ONLY ONCE ADAM KNEW EVE, SO EVE HAD A TWINS!

    Why do you think the word “knew” would need to be repeated each time?

    and AGAIN seem to b another time. But even if they were twins….?

    Quote
    Also scripture never says WHY HE SENT HER AWAY AND REMARRIED HER AGAIN!

    SO THE FACT THAT HE DID SO WAS ILLEGAL!AS A PRIEST!

    And WAS ALSO ILLEGAL SINCE THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT HE DIDN’T CONCEIVE HER!

    SO HE WAS ILLEGALLY MARRIED!

    THEREFORE ILLEGAL FATHER!

    ALSO:

    EXODUS 2:19 They answered: A MAN OF EGYPT delivered us from the hands of the shepherds:…………………..

    HOW DID THEY CONCLUDE THAT MOSES WAS AN EGYPTIAN?

    SO A MYSTERIOUS BIRTH! SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY COMPLICATIONS!

    Quote

    Not mysterious at all, also obviously they would conclude he was egyptian sincethatwas ho he grew up and the type of Clothing he wore and respect that was given to him

    [Quote]

    How did Jesus have an illegal Father?[/B]

    Matthew 1:When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19Whereupon Joseph her HUSBAND , being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately

    SO JOSEPH WAS NOT HIS FATHER &#
    33;

    THEREFORE, SINCE JOSEPH WAS ALREADY MARRIED TO MARY, AND DIDN’T CONCEIVE HER, THEREFORE AN ILLEGAL FATHER!

    Matthew 1:18
    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

    NO, Joseph was not an illegal Father

    Quote

    Moses did not have a mysterious death

    Deuteronomy 34:And the Lord said to him: This is the land, for which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying: I will give it to thy seed. Thou hast seen it with thy eyes, and shalt not pass over to it. 5And Moses the servant of the Lord died there, in the land of Moab, by

    THE COMMANDMENT OF THE LORD:

    6And HE BURIED HIM in the valley of the land of Moab over against Phogor: and no man hath known of his sepulchre until this present day.

    AS YOU CAN READ NO ONE KNEW THAT MOSES DIED!

    SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT GOD TOOK HIM TO SHOW HIM ALL THE PROMISED LAND, AND AFTER THAT HE HIMSELF BURIED HIM! 1ST MYSTERY

    NOW READ:

    JOSHUA 1:2 Moses my servant IS DEAD:……………

    SO ONLY GOD KNEW HOW, WHEN, AND WERE MOSES ENDED! 2ND MYSTERY!

    SO IT WAS A MYSTERIOUS DEATH!

    Numbers 20:11-17

    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    11 And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.

    12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. 13 This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the Lord, and he was sanctified in them.

    Quote

    Quote
    Jesus did not establish Law

    John 15:10 If you keep

    MY COMMANDMENTS WHAT ARE THESE COMMANDMENTS?

    , you shall abide in my love; as I also have kept my Father's commandments, and do abide in his love. SPIRITUAL LAWS!

    JESUS DID NOT OBEY MOSES COMMANDMENTS, CARNALY SINCE MOSES LAWS WERE CONCERNED ONLY REGARDING THE ACTIONS AND NOT THE INTENTIONS!

    SO THE DIFFERENCE IS :

    WHILE IN THE OT. HUMANS WERE JUSTIFIED THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS ONLY! SINCE THE SOUL WAS DEAD!

    IN THE NT. HUMANS WOULD BE JUSTIFIED THROUGH THEIR INTENTIONS, OBVIOUS SINCE JESUS ESTABLISHED THE SPIRITUAL INTENTIONAL LAWS! AND GAVE LIFE TO ALL SOULS WHILE HE SPIRITUALIZED HIS FLESH BODY,SINCE HE LIVED A FULLY PERFECT SPIRITUAL LIFE ON EARTH! THEREFORE DESTROYED HIS OWN FLESH BODY THROUGHOUT!

    THE CARNAL LAWS WOULD BE FULLY JUSTIFIED ON OUR DEATH, THEN THE SOUL RECEIVES LIFE, ACCORDINGLY IN CHRIST!

    Physical laws are spiritual laws

    Matthew 6:10
    Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    Quote
    Now read this PARTICULAR event, as proof that god was only interested in the ACTION, not in the INTENTIONS

    And when they came to the floor of Chidon,

    OZA PUT FORTH HIS HAND, TO HOLD UP THE ARK:

    : for the ox being wanton had made it

    LEAN A LITTLE on one side.

    10And the Lord was angry with Oza, and STRUCK him, because he had TOUCHED the ark; and he DIED there before the Lord…………….

    SO ALTHOUGH OZA’S INTENTIONS WERE GOOD, SINCE HE WANTED TO PREVENT IT FROM FALLING!

    god OF THE WORLD SATAN, ACCUSED OZA INFRONT OF GOD SO HE ALLOWED HIM, AND KILLED HIM!

    His intentions were to prevent it from falling the question is why made him think it woul fall? Why didn't he have faith?

    But you say in the day of Jesus things were different?

    Acts 5:1-10

    Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 and kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

    7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

    This is no different than th casewith Uzzah/Oza because he was hired to be the driver not the caretaker.

    2 Samuel 6

    3 And they carried the ark away from Abinadab’s house at Gabaa, putting it on a newly-made waggon, with Abinadab’s sons, Oza and Ahio, for its drivers

    [Quote]
    NOW READ JESUS' NEW LAW!.

    2And they watched him whether he would heal on the sabbath days;

    4And he saith to them: Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy?

    THERE ARE ENOUGH SIMILAR EVIDENCES REGARDING JESUS’ SPIRITUAL GOOD INTENTIONAL LAWS!

    ALSO SINCE THEY ARE SPIRITUAL LAWS, THEY CANNOT BE WRITTEN, BUT THOUGHT, AND EXPLANED [Quote]

    I'm sorry intention an action have been deleted Jesusactualy says:

    Matthew 5:27
    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

    Matthew 5:28
    but I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    So he is saying intentions are paramount to actions

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