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Quote The man and the soul had to be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights as was Jonah. BD,
THE SOUL LEAVES THE BODY AS SOON AS A PERSON DIES!
MATTHEW 12:40For as Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights: so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth IN HELL IN THE CENTRE OF THE EARTHthree days and three nights
THE BODY WAS NOT IN HELL BUT IN THE TOMB!
SO THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THE SOUL ONLY, SINCE ONLY THE SOUL REMAINED THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS!
ALSO SCRIPTURE DOESN'T SAY THREE FULL DAYS, AND THREE FULL NIGHTS!
IT ONLY GAVE THE INDICTION THAT THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS WOULD BE REACHED, NOT TOTALLY CONSUMED!
AS SOON AS JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, HIS SOUL GLORIFIED IN THE FLESH BODY AS WELL, WENT TO HELL,AND MANIFESTED HIMSELF IN FLESH THE ONLY WAY TO CONVINCE THOSE CONDEMNED, THAT HE WAS THE ONLY BEING IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!
TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF THAT HE WAS
DIVINE,THE SON OF GOD
AND PREACHED TO THEM THE GOSPEL!
John 5:25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead OBVIOUS IN HELLshall hear the voice of the Son of God,
JESUS' SOUL GLORIFIED PREACHING THE GOSPEL!
and they that hear shall live.
Quote Jesus had flesh bones and blood, he also ate JESUS NEVER HAD ANY BLOOD, FROM HIS WOUNDS, OTHERWISE THE APPOSTLES WOULD HAVE CONCLUDED THAT HE WAS A NORMAL BEING!
THE FACT THAT HE ATE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE WAS A NORMAL MAN!
Genesis 18:And he said: Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart, afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant. And they said: Do as thou hast spoken.
the above scripture is a proof enough that although THE LORD WAS DEFINITELY A SPIRIT, HE STILL ATE, AND EVEN HAD HIS FEET WASHED!
Charles
Quote (seekingtruth @ July 05 2013,18:55) Matthew 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.If Jesus was raised on Saturday towards evening He would have spent 3 days in the earth and yet of raised on the third day.
My opinion – Wm
Jesus wasn't buried or under the earth. The only way he was as Jonah was that Jonah was ALIVE and escaping certain death by prayers and supplication.Quote (Wakeup @ July 05 2013,19:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 05 2013,18:02) Quote (seekingtruth @ July 05 2013,13:01) I take it literally that Jesus died on what to us is Wed. evening near sunset,(the very time that the lamb was slain for Passover). For the Israelites one day changed to another at sunset, so Jesus was dead starting with 24 hours of Thursday (annual Sabbath), 24 hours of Friday (prepared the spices and waited for the 3 day “seal” to expire), and 24 hours of Saturday (the weekly Sabbath), the resurrection occurred what for us would be Saturday evening near sunset. This had Jesus dead at the 3 days and 3 nights just as He had proclaimed as the only sign to be given. My opinion – Wm
Okay, so he didn't rise ON the third day, he rose after the third day?
Boditharta.**Lets just use our days: to avoid confusion**.
1. Thursday 3pm he died.
Thursday night. (one day,one night).2. Friday.
Friday night. (two days,two nights).3. Saturday.
Saturday night. (three days three nights).4. Sunday morning at 6am he rose.
The first day of the week.(jewish).wakeup.
that would be risng on the 4th dayQuote (carmel @ July 06 2013,01:33) bodhitharta,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote The man and the soul had to be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights as was Jonah. BD,
THE SOUL LEAVES THE BODY AS SOON AS A PERSON DIES!
MATTHEW 12:40For as Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights: so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth IN HELL IN THE CENTRE OF THE EARTHthree days and three nights
THE BODY WAS NOT IN HELL BUT IN THE TOMB!
SO THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THE SOUL ONLY, SINCE ONLY THE SOUL REMAINED THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS!
ALSO SCRIPTURE DOESN'T SAY THREE FULL DAYS, AND THREE FULL NIGHTS!
IT ONLY GAVE THE INDICTION THAT THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS WOULD BE REACHED, NOT TOTALLY CONSUMED!
AS SOON AS JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, HIS SOUL GLORIFIED IN THE FLESH BODY AS WELL, WENT TO HELL,AND MANIFESTED HIMSELF IN FLESH THE ONLY WAY TO CONVINCE THOSE CONDEMNED, THAT HE WAS THE ONLY BEING IN BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!
TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF THAT HE WAS
DIVINE,THE SON OF GOD
AND PREACHED TO THEM THE GOSPEL!
John 5:25 Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead OBVIOUS IN HELLshall hear the voice of the Son of God,
JESUS' SOUL GLORIFIED PREACHING THE GOSPEL!
and they that hear shall live.
Quote Jesus had flesh bones and blood, he also ate JESUS NEVER HAD ANY BLOOD, FROM HIS WOUNDS, OTHERWISE THE APPOSTLES WOULD HAVE CONCLUDED THAT HE WAS A NORMAL BEING!
THE FACT THAT HE ATE IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE WAS A NORMAL MAN!
Genesis 18:And he said: Lord, if I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away from thy servant: 4But I will fetch a little water, and wash ye your feet, and rest ye under the tree. 5And I will set a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart, afterwards you shall pass on: for therefore are you come aside to your servant. And they said: Do as thou hast spoken.
the above scripture is a proof enough that although THE LORD WAS DEFINITELY A SPIRIT, HE STILL ATE, AND EVEN HAD HIS FEET WASHED!
Charles
When Jesus speaks you say that God speaking through him likewise in Genesis the same thing should be occuring, right?Regarding Jesus having blood he declared he had BONE and FLESH which a Spirit does not have also bone and blesh contain blood because “the life is in the blood”
He in no way said to them that he was different in any way he said
Luke 24:39
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES
So, could he have been a spirit? Yes or no
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,06:27) Quote (Wakeup @ July 05 2013,19:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 05 2013,18:02) Quote (seekingtruth @ July 05 2013,13:01) I take it literally that Jesus died on what to us is Wed. evening near sunset,(the very time that the lamb was slain for Passover). For the Israelites one day changed to another at sunset, so Jesus was dead starting with 24 hours of Thursday (annual Sabbath), 24 hours of Friday (prepared the spices and waited for the 3 day “seal” to expire), and 24 hours of Saturday (the weekly Sabbath), the resurrection occurred what for us would be Saturday evening near sunset. This had Jesus dead at the 3 days and 3 nights just as He had proclaimed as the only sign to be given. My opinion – Wm
Okay, so he didn't rise ON the third day, he rose after the third day?
Boditharta.**Lets just use our days: to avoid confusion**.
1. Thursday 3pm he died.
Thursday night. (one day,one night).2. Friday.
Friday night. (two days,two nights).3. Saturday.
Saturday night. (three days three nights).4. Sunday morning at 6am he rose.
The first day of the week.(jewish).wakeup.
that would be risng on the 4th day
Not really Boditharta.
He rose the minute before the 4th day.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 06 2013,14:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 06 2013,06:27) Quote (Wakeup @ July 05 2013,19:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 05 2013,18:02) Quote (seekingtruth @ July 05 2013,13:01) I take it literally that Jesus died on what to us is Wed. evening near sunset,(the very time that the lamb was slain for Passover). For the Israelites one day changed to another at sunset, so Jesus was dead starting with 24 hours of Thursday (annual Sabbath), 24 hours of Friday (prepared the spices and waited for the 3 day “seal” to expire), and 24 hours of Saturday (the weekly Sabbath), the resurrection occurred what for us would be Saturday evening near sunset. This had Jesus dead at the 3 days and 3 nights just as He had proclaimed as the only sign to be given. My opinion – Wm
Okay, so he didn't rise ON the third day, he rose after the third day?
Boditharta.**Lets just use our days: to avoid confusion**.
1. Thursday 3pm he died.
Thursday night. (one day,one night).2. Friday.
Friday night. (two days,two nights).3. Saturday.
Saturday night. (three days three nights).4. Sunday morning at 6am he rose.
The first day of the week.(jewish).wakeup.
that would be risng on the 4th day
Not really Boditharta.
He rose the minute before the 4th day.wakeup.
so you are saying the time wasn't literal? right?Because he really insisted 3 days and 3 nights but also said the third day so perhaps the time was not the issue.
Now how was he “Like” Jonah was? One of the greatest miracles in th Bible is that of Jonah and the only miraculous thing about what happend to Jonah was that h was in the belly of a whale for 3 days an 3 nights and did not die at all.
If jonah would have died and revived aftr being spit out of the whale 3 days and nights later it would have been great but not as much as not dying at all whn it was completely expected.
Boditharta.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jesus was *NOT* speaking of death;but only of three days and three nights in the whales belly,and three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
You have misunderstood the scripture.
wakeup.
Hi BD,
Are you suggesting Jesus was in FACT in the tomb for three days,
but instead of him being dead he was alive in there the three days?Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,16:16) Hi BD, Are you suggesting Jesus was in FACT in the tomb for three days,
but instead of him being dead he was alive in there the three days?Ed
well you definitely know I don't believe he was killed and the scriptures say:Mark 15:42-44
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathæa, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.
Why do they not know for certain if Jesus is dead?
Luke 23:55
And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.Book order Relevance
1.John 20:15
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.Why if she thought he was dead she could possibly think of taking him away do you think she was going to carry a dead body wth an extra 100 pounds of spices and oils around?
But if she thought he was somhow alive but injured she could take him away.
The point is the enlarged above ground tomb was very roomy.
Jesus could in no other way be “as Jonah was” except to be alive during a time he would be presumed dead because the Miracle(Sign) of Jonah was God saving him from certain death
Bing dead fo 3 day and nights is not “AS JONAH WAS” it is not like Jonah at all. If that were the case he could have said like”Lazarus”
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:36) Bing dead fo 3 day and nights is not “AS JONAH WAS” it is not like Jonah at all. If that were the case he could have said like”Lazarus”
Boditharta.I can see that you are a defender of the qur'án, not the *truth*.
This is how you have to *refute* many sriptures in the bible to justify the qur'an.
To give more strenght to the qur'an.Because the history of the qur'an does not look good.
Mohamad; the sole model of islam; his history does not look good. Not a man to follow.Jesus is faultless;he,and his teachings, we can follow.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2013,13:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:36) Bing dead fo 3 day and nights is not “AS JONAH WAS” it is not like Jonah at all. If that were the case he could have said like”Lazarus”
Boditharta.I can see that you are a defender of the qur'án, not the *truth*.
This is how you have to *refute* many sriptures in the bible to justify the qur'an.
To give more strenght to the qur'an.Because the history of the qur'an does not look good.
Mohamad; the sole model of islam; his history does not look good. Not a man to follow.Jesus is faultless;he,and his teachings, we can follow.
wakeup.
Muhammad is not the sole model of Islam.His history however is much like the history of Moses in regards to being a human born man, warrior….
Acts 3:22
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.Was Jesus like Moses?
I agree with you, Jesus is not like Moses or Muhammad but Moses and Muhammad are alike
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,13:21) Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2013,13:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:36) Bing dead fo 3 day and nights is not “AS JONAH WAS” it is not like Jonah at all. If that were the case he could have said like”Lazarus”
Boditharta.I can see that you are a defender of the qur'án, not the *truth*.
This is how you have to *refute* many sriptures in the bible to justify the qur'an.
To give more strenght to the qur'an.Because the history of the qur'an does not look good.
Mohamad; the sole model of islam; his history does not look good. Not a man to follow.Jesus is faultless;he,and his teachings, we can follow.
wakeup.
Muhammad is not the sole model of Islam.His history however is much like the history of Moses in regards to being a human born man, warrior….
Acts 3:22
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.Was Jesus like Moses?
I agree with you, Jesus is not like Moses or Muhammad but Moses and Muhammad are alike
Boditharta.If you really think that much of Jesus,why not follow his teachings,and dont reject his sacrifice.
For he died for you,and you must bring all your petitions to him.He is Gods representative.One can not come in a bank and pass the queue;and go straight to the managers office, and knock on his door.
One must follow the system.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2013,16:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,13:21) Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2013,13:03) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:36) Bing dead fo 3 day and nights is not “AS JONAH WAS” it is not like Jonah at all. If that were the case he could have said like”Lazarus”
Boditharta.I can see that you are a defender of the qur'án, not the *truth*.
This is how you have to *refute* many sriptures in the bible to justify the qur'an.
To give more strenght to the qur'an.Because the history of the qur'an does not look good.
Mohamad; the sole model of islam; his history does not look good. Not a man to follow.Jesus is faultless;he,and his teachings, we can follow.
wakeup.
Muhammad is not the sole model of Islam.His history however is much like the history of Moses in regards to being a human born man, warrior….
Acts 3:22
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.Was Jesus like Moses?
I agree with you, Jesus is not like Moses or Muhammad but Moses and Muhammad are alike
Boditharta.If you really think that much of Jesus,why not follow his teachings,and dont reject his sacrifice.
For he died for you,and you must bring all your petitions to him.He is Gods representative.One can not come in a bank and pass the queue;and go straight to the managers office, and knock on his door.
One must follow the system.wakeup.
can you tell me who Zachariah went to when praying for a son?Luke 1:13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:34) Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,16:16) Hi BD, Are you suggesting Jesus was in FACT in the tomb for three days,
but instead of him being dead he was alive in there the three days?Ed
well you definitely know I don't believe he was killed and the scriptures say:
So, is that a “Yes”? …or a “No”?bodhitharta,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote Was Jesus like Moses? BD,
GIVE PROOF THAT JESUS WAS NOT MOSES!
ASK ANY THING AND I DO BY BEST TO PROVE THAT JESUS AND MOSES ARE ALIKE!
CHARLES
Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2013,20:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:34) Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,16:16) Hi BD, Are you suggesting Jesus was in FACT in the tomb for three days,
but instead of him being dead he was alive in there the three days?Ed
well you definitely know I don't believe he was killed and the scriptures say:
So, is that a “Yes”? …or a “No”?
I'm saying that it is vey likely it was a great place to lay low an Mary didn't recognize him at first mistaking him for the Gardener as if he were in a disguise.It's not that important to me, the point is I believe that Jesus was saved by God and was Totally ALIVE during the time he was presumed to be dead “as Jonah was”
Quote (carmel @ July 07 2013,22:45) bodhitharta,July wrote:[/quote]
Quote Was Jesus like Moses? BD,
GIVE PROOF THAT JESUS WAS NOT MOSES!
ASK ANY THING AND I DO BY BEST TO PROVE THAT JESUS AND MOSES ARE ALIKE!
CHARLES
Jesus was born of a virgin. Moses and Muhammad were not
Jesus was not a warrior. Moses and Muhammad went to war
Jesus did not bring Law. Moses and Muhammad brought Law
Jesus had a short ministry(3 years) Moses and Muhammad
had life long ministriesJesus never led a nation both Moses ad Muhammad did
Jesus is UNIQUE created with a PURE SPIRIT and can only be compared to Adam in creation but where Adam failed and yielded to temptation Jesus succeeded and over came sin and temptation although he was tempted in all ways.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2013,06:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2013,20:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:34) Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,16:16) Hi BD, Are you suggesting Jesus was in FACT in the tomb for three days,
but instead of him being dead he was alive in there the three days?Ed
well you definitely know I don't believe he was killed and the scriptures say:
So, is that a “Yes”? …or a “No”?
I'm saying that it is vey likely it was a great place to lay low an Mary didn't recognize him at first mistaking him for the Gardener as if he were in a disguise.It's not that important to me, the point is I believe that Jesus was saved by God and was Totally ALIVE during the time he was presumed to be dead “as Jonah was”
Hi BD,Then you deny the Gospel of the bible – right?
Ed
Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,12:45) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 08 2013,06:06) Quote (Ed J @ July 07 2013,20:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 07 2013,12:34) Quote (Ed J @ July 06 2013,16:16) Hi BD, Are you suggesting Jesus was in FACT in the tomb for three days,
but instead of him being dead he was alive in there the three days?Ed
well you definitely know I don't believe he was killed and the scriptures say:
So, is that a “Yes”? …or a “No”?
I'm saying that it is vey likely it was a great place to lay low an Mary didn't recognize him at first mistaking him for the Gardener as if he were in a disguise.It's not that important to me, the point is I believe that Jesus was saved by God and was Totally ALIVE during the time he was presumed to be dead “as Jonah was”
Hi BD,Then you deny the Gospel of the bible – right?
Ed
The Gospel of the Bible is the Gospel that JESUS CHRIST preached, not the Gospel of Jesus christ which Paul preached.Jesus sad he was sent to preach the Gose of the Kingdom of God and he said he completed his mission an thi was before the “cross”
Do you deny the Gospel of the kingdom of God?
Did Jesus teach Mercy or Sacrifice? Please choose one because he didn't teach both.
By the way, you still never told me. Who Sacrificed Jesus an to whom was this sacrifice offered up to?
with a sacrifice somene has to give something up, How can God give Christ up to God? That would be lik you taking money from checking an putting it into savings and calling it a loss.
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