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Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 04 2013,12:34) Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2013,05:56) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 02 2013,20:01) David, Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
The problem with this is that stating that Santa Claus doesn't exist is similar. I shouldn't state such things until I have checked under every rock.Well here's the thing. I've checked under A LOT of rocks. It's basically my main hobby. Checking under rocks. And yet, not Santa.
I started out thinking many frauds exist. I used to say 95% at least. Then 99%. Then 99.5% at least. Now, I would say 99.9%
And those who are supposed to be the real magicians, the witches, the Druids, the wiccans, what magic can they do that aren't psychological or placebo type stuff?
The most impressive thing this Druid believes he can do is move a candle flame with his mind. To me, this is similar to saying he can make a leaf of grass bend, while its windy outside. It feels so delusional.
David,I have atheist use the same reasoning to support their disbelief in God. They are mistaken.
Yes, I know kerwin. That's where I borrowed the Santa Claus thing from.They might be mistaken, but is there logic incorrect?
Burden of proof might be a term they use. If I claim that I can fly, it's not up to you to prove I can't. It's up to me to prove I can.
Similarly, with the idea that there is someone out there who can levitate objects with their mind, as an example, it's not up to me to examine each person in the world.
It's up to you to show me just one person who can, without using monofilament, wires, string, metal poles, super magnets, etc.And yet, I have been examining a lot of people looking for that one person. No dice.
Quote (david @ Sep. 26 2013,12:09) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 04 2013,12:34) Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2013,05:56) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 02 2013,20:01) David, Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
The problem with this is that stating that Santa Claus doesn't exist is similar. I shouldn't state such things until I have checked under every rock.Well here's the thing. I've checked under A LOT of rocks. It's basically my main hobby. Checking under rocks. And yet, not Santa.
I started out thinking many frauds exist. I used to say 95% at least. Then 99%. Then 99.5% at least. Now, I would say 99.9%
And those who are supposed to be the real magicians, the witches, the Druids, the wiccans, what magic can they do that aren't psychological or placebo type stuff?
The most impressive thing this Druid believes he can do is move a candle flame with his mind. To me, this is similar to saying he can make a leaf of grass bend, while its windy outside. It feels so delusional.
David,I have atheist use the same reasoning to support their disbelief in God. They are mistaken.
Yes, I know kerwin. That's where I borrowed the Santa Claus thing from.They might be mistaken, but is there logic incorrect?
Burden of proof might be a term they use. If I claim that I can fly, it's not up to you to prove I can't. It's up to me to prove I can.
Similarly, with the idea that there is someone out there who can levitate objects with their mind, as an example, it's not up to me to examine each person in the world.
It's up to you to show me just one person who can, without using monofilament, wires, string, metal poles, super magnets, etc.And yet, I have been examining a lot of people looking for that one person. No dice.
David,I believe they are attempting to use the argument the the preponderance of the lack of evidence makes their case. The evidence is there but they do not see it.
I am not one to trust either the party doing the testing nor the party tested as they are both mere men.
I believe this is the time that such things do not occur in this age of Skepticism but I see no reason to take take the time to test that hypothesis. If I did know a witch I would strive to keep silent as recommending any seems odious to me. Most people have no clue about being a witch and that is fine by me.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 26 2013,19:43) Quote (david @ Sep. 26 2013,12:09) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 04 2013,12:34) Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2013,05:56) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 02 2013,20:01) David, Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
The problem with this is that stating that Santa Claus doesn't exist is similar. I shouldn't state such things until I have checked under every rock.Well here's the thing. I've checked under A LOT of rocks. It's basically my main hobby. Checking under rocks. And yet, not Santa.
I started out thinking many frauds exist. I used to say 95% at least. Then 99%. Then 99.5% at least. Now, I would say 99.9%
And those who are supposed to be the real magicians, the witches, the Druids, the wiccans, what magic can they do that aren't psychological or placebo type stuff?
The most impressive thing this Druid believes he can do is move a candle flame with his mind. To me, this is similar to saying he can make a leaf of grass bend, while its windy outside. It feels so delusional.
David,I have atheist use the same reasoning to support their disbelief in God. They are mistaken.
Yes, I know kerwin. That's where I borrowed the Santa Claus thing from.They might be mistaken, but is there logic incorrect?
Burden of proof might be a term they use. If I claim that I can fly, it's not up to you to prove I can't. It's up to me to prove I can.
Similarly, with the idea that there is someone out there who can levitate objects with their mind, as an example, it's not up to me to examine each person in the world.
It's up to you to show me just one person who can, without using monofilament, wires, string, metal poles, super magnets, etc.And yet, I have been examining a lot of people looking for that one person. No dice.
David,I believe they are attempting to use the argument the the preponderance of the lack of evidence makes their case. The evidence is there but they do not see it.
I am not one to trust either the party doing the testing nor the party tested as they are both mere men.
I believe this is the time that such things do not occur in this age of Skepticism but I see no reason to take take the time to test that hypothesis. If I did know a witch I would strive to keep silent as recommending any seems odious to me. Most people have no clue about being a witch and that is fine by me.
Hi kerwinI'm not really going to try to justify anything athiests say. I'm only her concerned with this topic and reality.
If I, or someone make an extraordinary claim, it isn't up to someone else to disprove. It's up to me to prove. Isn't that correct?
Example:
“I, David, can fly like superman.”
That's my claim. That's my magical power. Do you believe me? Is it up to you to disprove it? If you said: “I've never seen you fly and I've been watching you very closely for 30 years,” wouldn't that mean something?
Or, is it up to me to prove?
Quote (david @ Sep. 27 2013,00:43) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 26 2013,19:43) Quote (david @ Sep. 26 2013,12:09) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 04 2013,12:34) Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2013,05:56) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 02 2013,20:01) David, Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
The problem with this is that stating that Santa Claus doesn't exist is similar. I shouldn't state such things until I have checked under every rock.Well here's the thing. I've checked under A LOT of rocks. It's basically my main hobby. Checking under rocks. And yet, not Santa.
I started out thinking many frauds exist. I used to say 95% at least. Then 99%. Then 99.5% at least. Now, I would say 99.9%
And those who are supposed to be the real magicians, the witches, the Druids, the wiccans, what magic can they do that aren't psychological or placebo type stuff?
The most impressive thing this Druid believes he can do is move a candle flame with his mind. To me, this is similar to saying he can make a leaf of grass bend, while its windy outside. It feels so delusional.
David,I have atheist use the same reasoning to support their disbelief in God. They are mistaken.
Yes, I know kerwin. That's where I borrowed the Santa Claus thing from.They might be mistaken, but is there logic incorrect?
Burden of proof might be a term they use. If I claim that I can fly, it's not up to you to prove I can't. It's up to me to prove I can.
Similarly, with the idea that there is someone out there who can levitate objects with their mind, as an example, it's not up to me to examine each person in the world.
It's up to you to show me just one person who can, without using monofilament, wires, string, metal poles, super magnets, etc.And yet, I have been examining a lot of people looking for that one person. No dice.
David,I believe they are attempting to use the argument the the preponderance of the lack of evidence makes their case. The evidence is there but they do not see it.
I am not one to trust either the party doing the testing nor the party tested as they are both mere men.
I believe this is the time that such things do not occur in this age of Skepticism but I see no reason to take take the time to test that hypothesis. If I did know a witch I would strive to keep silent as recommending any seems odious to me. Most people have no clue about being a witch and that is fine by me.
Hi kerwinI'm not really going to try to justify anything athiests say. I'm only her concerned with this topic and reality.
If I, or someone make an extraordinary claim, it isn't up to someone else to disprove. It's up to me to prove. Isn't that correct?
Example:
“I, David, can fly like superman.”
That's my claim. That's my magical power. Do you believe me? Is it up to you to disprove it? If you said: “I've never seen you fly and I've been watching you very closely for 30 years,” wouldn't that mean something?
Or, is it up to me to prove?
David,I am used to people not flying like superman. I take the same opinion with someone who claims they can fly as I do with someone who claims they have the gift of healing and that is doubting Thomas one, which is I will believe it when I see it. If it is someone I know I tend to commit the same error that those of Jesus' hometown did. Children look at it differently.
This is the age of Skepticism and my attitude is influenced by that. A skeptical attitude is the reason given why few miracles were done in Jesus' hometown.
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