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No true psychic exists today. They all use fraud, deception, or psychology (making 10,000 predictions, and letting people's minds do what they do best–find meaning, finding the hits)
If there are any true psychics, they keep it to themselves, and don't make predictions.
If Jesus did not know the day nor the hour that means even he did not know everything. Thus only God knows all things.
Whatever we know has been released to us in some way.
On a vaguely similar subject, in speaking with someone who is neither a witch nor Wiccan, and yet, studies and speaks on such things at length, I'm not sure witches can do anything close to what I would describe as impossible or supernatural. It seems to be all in their minds. Having the ability to sense emotions or thinking you can heal people. The closest thing to magic that this person believed they could do was bend a candle flame with their mind. I think that's delusional. Candle flames like to move. I'm sure in his mind he is bending the flame.
After discussing this at length with him, it reminded me of the bouncing yogis, who believe or say they are flying. Perhaps in their mind. They are clearly bouncing. Where others see magic, psychics, etc, I see self deception, delusion, and fraud.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,16:45) Quote (david @ Feb. 02 2013,09:11) Quote From what I have heard Nostradamus, some of his predictions did turn out true. Well, the interpretation of “some” of his predictions seem to come true. But he wrote a lot. Of the vast majority of what he said can't be said to come true, then it is just a matter of searching rough lots of words to find meaning. Which predictions did you hear came true? I have heard the same. But I've never actually spent any time doing any real research on what he actually wrote.
Yes, they are real meteorologists. But we don't ascribe any magical power to meteorologists. There are no such thing as fake meteorologists. There aren't really people who pretend to forecast the weather.
David and all,I did a search on the internet and found several that seem legitimate as well as a few that the interpretation is stretched according to the interpreters bias. In the few I have observed, his more accurate ones seem closer to his own time.
Here are some mixed with a few obvious misinterpretations dealing with the War on Terror.
I don't look into him much as I see his words as the words of Satan mixing truth and deception to lead the unwary astray. He seems to be an example of what Scripture calls a false prophet.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/nostradamus5.htmI think this article points out simply how nostradamous works, how are pattern seeking minds work to find and create meaning where there is none.
Again, seriously, after a very long discussion with a Druid, who knows both witches and wiccans, and who believes in magic (although he defines it VERY differently than we would) he basically told me the two pieces of magik that were the most spectacular were the psi wheel, and bending a candle flame through will power.
Candle flames move by themself, and the psi wheel has several natural forces that can and does make it move.
Why are the two most spectacular pieces of “real” magic, absolutely unspectacular and just as likely to happen whether a person is trying to make them happen rough thought or not?
To this Druid, everything is basically magic. He of course doesn't believe in good and evil, or right and wrong, and spends a ton of his time discussing magik.
In trying to see if anyone anywhere claims to be able to do “real” magic, I would say Druids are about as close as witches, and this guy seemed to understand what witches believe. Yet, the most magical thing he could do or claims to do is move a candle flame with his mind. Of course, there is no great video footage of this. Of course, it's never been demonstrated in test like conditions. Yet, it's the most spectacular bit of magic there is. And yet, it seems to be a delusion.
For decades I have looked for real magic. I have not found it, nor found real psychics. All I find is fraud, delusion, self deception, placebo effect, the natural healing of the body, confirmation bias, pattern seeking tracking of hits while forgetting misses, etc.
The Druid would say everything is magic. He believes magic has been wrongly defined. Magic as we understand it, doesn't seem to exist, or at least, is virtually impossible to find or prove.
Magic,is the practice of deception ,
Good and evil does exist ,the fact that some do say it is not ,they lie to themselves ,
David,
Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
Quote (david @ May 06 2013,21:36) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 02 2013,16:45) Quote (david @ Feb. 02 2013,09:11) Quote From what I have heard Nostradamus, some of his predictions did turn out true. Well, the interpretation of “some” of his predictions seem to come true. But he wrote a lot. Of the vast majority of what he said can't be said to come true, then it is just a matter of searching rough lots of words to find meaning. Which predictions did you hear came true? I have heard the same. But I've never actually spent any time doing any real research on what he actually wrote.
Yes, they are real meteorologists. But we don't ascribe any magical power to meteorologists. There are no such thing as fake meteorologists. There aren't really people who pretend to forecast the weather.
David and all,I did a search on the internet and found several that seem legitimate as well as a few that the interpretation is stretched according to the interpreters bias. In the few I have observed, his more accurate ones seem closer to his own time.
Here are some mixed with a few obvious misinterpretations dealing with the War on Terror.
I don't look into him much as I see his words as the words of Satan mixing truth and deception to lead the unwary astray. He seems to be an example of what Scripture calls a false prophet.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science….us5.htmI think this article points out simply how nostradamous works, how are pattern seeking minds work to find and create meaning where there is none.
David,You can say the same thing about the prophecies of Jesus being the Christ, as some Jews do. That does not make it true.
Prophecy of any type is often symbolic. Look at those who are still misinterpreting the prophecy of Revelations.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 02 2013,20:01) David, Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
The problem with this is that stating that Santa Claus doesn't exist is similar. I shouldn't state such things until I have checked under every rock.Well here's the thing. I've checked under A LOT of rocks. It's basically my main hobby. Checking under rocks. And yet, not Santa.
I started out thinking many frauds exist. I used to say 95% at least. Then 99%. Then 99.5% at least. Now, I would say 99.9%
And those who are supposed to be the real magicians, the witches, the Druids, the wiccans, what magic can they do that aren't psychological or placebo type stuff?
The most impressive thing this Druid believes he can do is move a candle flame with his mind. To me, this is similar to saying he can make a leaf of grass bend, while its windy outside. It feels so delusional.
Quote (david @ May 07 2013,03:19) After discussing this at length with him, it reminded me of the bouncing yogis, who believe or say they are flying. Perhaps in their mind. They are clearly bouncing. Where others see magic, psychics, etc, I see self deception, delusion, and fraud.
I don't think they were ever claiming to fly, but that given enough time this activity would allow them to evolve into flying.I agree that men who claim to know the future (outside of revelation from God) are frauds as are men who heal (outside of God) are frauds).
That said, scripture clearly teaches us that there are demons. And they are capable of manifesting themselves in the physical such as taking control of a person. Whether it is my personal view or not, it is certainly a scriptural view.
Hi,
3 men go into a hotel. They ask how much for a room? The desk clerk says 30 $. The men leave and go up to there room.
The desk clerk tells the bell boy he overcharged the men! Take 5 $ and give it back to the men.
The bell boy thinks, and says I will give them 3 $ back and keep 2 $ for myself.
How much did each man pay for the room?
9 $ correct…..Yes Abe.
3×9=27 correct……..Yes Abe
2 $ for the bellboy.
27+2= 29……….Wheres the other dollar?
Peace………….No I am not a god.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2013,11:26) Quote (david @ May 07 2013,03:19) After discussing this at length with him, it reminded me of the bouncing yogis, who believe or say they are flying. Perhaps in their mind. They are clearly bouncing. Where others see magic, psychics, etc, I see self deception, delusion, and fraud.
I don't think they were ever claiming to fly, but that given enough time this activity would allow them to evolve into flying.
I think the tabetin text says yogis can fly.And there is a poem about Milarepa that includes flying. Every time we see document tries on the “flying” yogis, it calls them “flying” yogis, not bouncing really high yogis.
It seems some of them believe they are flying. They seem to be in some meditative state (which I call delusion) where they believe they are in fact flying. It may feel like flying for them. They might have such a strong belief about it, that they actually believe they are flying.
They are not.
And even if they believed they could evolve into flying, where is one case of this ever happening?
Delusion.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2013,11:29) I agree that men who claim to know the future (outside of revelation from God) are frauds as are men who heal (outside of God) are frauds). That said, scripture clearly teaches us that there are demons. And they are capable of manifesting themselves in the physical such as taking control of a person. Whether it is my personal view or not, it is certainly a scriptural view.
Example of this today?Quote (abe @ Sep. 04 2013,11:36) Hi, 3 men go into a hotel. They ask how much for a room? The desk clerk says 30 $. The men leave and go up to there room.
The desk clerk tells the bell boy he overcharged the men! Take 5 $ and give it back to the men.
The bell boy thinks, and says I will give them 3 $ back and keep 2 $ for myself.
How much did each man pay for the room?
9 $ correct…..Yes Abe.
3×9=27 correct……..Yes Abe
2 $ for the bellboy.
27+2= 29……….Wheres the other dollar?
Peace………….No I am not a god.
I first read this riddle when I was about 8. It was mainly this riddle that got me into riddles and paradoxes. (Although this isn't a true paradox)I read dozens of riddle books and logic puzzle and paradox books as a kid. (And, the odd magic book as well of course)
This is really about you defending your belief that these things have passed away. But demons haven't passed away. You either believe scripture on this point or you do not. I cannot force you to believe what scripture says.
Examples today of what? Demon possession? Where people act in a devilish way like Judas who Jesus called a devil? Plenty of examples where people display that which is in them.
What you read about in scripture you still see today.
Quote (david @ Sep. 04 2013,05:56) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 02 2013,20:01) David, Scripture does not say the witch of Endor used fraud. Stating all psychics are frauds is a logically unsound unless each and every one of them has been tested and been found to be frauds by reliable means. I am as skeptical as next man as many frauds do exist.
The problem with this is that stating that Santa Claus doesn't exist is similar. I shouldn't state such things until I have checked under every rock.Well here's the thing. I've checked under A LOT of rocks. It's basically my main hobby. Checking under rocks. And yet, not Santa.
I started out thinking many frauds exist. I used to say 95% at least. Then 99%. Then 99.5% at least. Now, I would say 99.9%
And those who are supposed to be the real magicians, the witches, the Druids, the wiccans, what magic can they do that aren't psychological or placebo type stuff?
The most impressive thing this Druid believes he can do is move a candle flame with his mind. To me, this is similar to saying he can make a leaf of grass bend, while its windy outside. It feels so delusional.
David,I have atheist use the same reasoning to support their disbelief in God. They are mistaken.
Quote (david @ Sep. 03 2013,16:58) Quote (abe @ Sep. 04 2013,11:36) Hi, 3 men go into a hotel. They ask how much for a room? The desk clerk says 30 $. The men leave and go up to there room.
The desk clerk tells the bell boy he overcharged the men! Take 5 $ and give it back to the men.
The bell boy thinks, and says I will give them 3 $ back and keep 2 $ for myself.
How much did each man pay for the room?
9 $ correct…..Yes Abe.
3×9=27 correct……..Yes Abe
2 $ for the bellboy.
27+2= 29……….Wheres the other dollar?
Peace………….No I am not a god.
I first read this riddle when I was about 8. It was mainly this riddle that got me into riddles and paradoxes. (Although this isn't a true paradox)I read dozens of riddle books and logic puzzle and paradox books as a kid. (And, the odd magic book as well of course)
Hi David,What is the Answer to the problem?
Peace………….
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 04 2013,12:01) This is really about you defending your belief that these things have passed away. But demons haven't passed away. You either believe scripture on this point or you do not. I cannot force you to believe what scripture says. Examples today of what? Demon possession? Where people act in a devilish way like Judas who Jesus called a devil? Plenty of examples where people display that which is in them.
What you read about in scripture you still see today.
I'm really trying to focus on reality hear and not want you or I want to believe or what we think we remember.I spent two months conversing with a Druid, who believes he can do magic. He is delusional and full of self deception, which I would love to discuss in detail, and his idea of magic, in fact, everyone who claims to practice magic, has a very very different idea about what it is.
I've tried to get someone who is a wizard to discuss his “wisdom” concerning the wisdom of what he calls powers. He too while claiming to be a wizard, and while everyone seems to buy into that, he is in fact mentally deranged, delusional, full of fraud, self deception, and idiocy. Just bad at thinking or critical thinking.
If “real” magic exists, it has hidden itself very well.
T8, if someone is possessed by a demon, how do we differentiate between that, and someone who is simply having a bad day? Someone who hasn't had their coffee for the day? Wouldn't the demon possessed person exhibit superhuman strength or superhuman anything? Do they? If so, who? Show me. Take me to him. Bring me this person.
Can demon possession be cured or lessened with drugs? Or CBT? how do we differentiate between a demon inside of a person and someone who was beaten as a child and is mentally ill?
Quote (abe @ Sep. 07 2013,08:35) Quote (david @ Sep. 03 2013,16:58) Quote (abe @ Sep. 04 2013,11:36) Hi, 3 men go into a hotel. They ask how much for a room? The desk clerk says 30 $. The men leave and go up to there room.
The desk clerk tells the bell boy he overcharged the men! Take 5 $ and give it back to the men.
The bell boy thinks, and says I will give them 3 $ back and keep 2 $ for myself.
How much did each man pay for the room?
9 $ correct…..Yes Abe.
3×9=27 correct……..Yes Abe
2 $ for the bellboy.
27+2= 29……….Wheres the other dollar?
Peace………….No I am not a god.
I first read this riddle when I was about 8. It was mainly this riddle that got me into riddles and paradoxes. (Although this isn't a true paradox)I read dozens of riddle books and logic puzzle and paradox books as a kid. (And, the odd magic book as well of course)
Hi David,What is the Answer to the problem?
Peace………….
Hi Abe.There really is no problem. We are just adding hints up that have no business being added up. Once you add them up this way, the brain seems to get stuck in that groove and really doesn't want to leave.
Abe, one of my favourite books is a book called:
“There are two
errors in the
the title of
this book”Once you realize what the second error is, your mind will start to circle back and forth and your brain will both be tickled and angry.
Everything in that book is brilliant, including the name of the book.
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